A 13-year-old student was expelled from a Louisiana middle school after hitting a male classmate who she said created and shared a deepfake pornographic image of her, according to her family’s lawyers.
Whooole lotta people in these comments defending the guy who produced and shared Child Exploitation Material. “She shouldn’t have resorted to violence, there were other options” “She shouldn’t have responded to bullying with physical assault” My favourite: “it was made with AI, so it’s not really child porn”
Why is a 13 year old girl being asked to act with the calm sensibility of an adult in this situation, but no one is asking why a 13 year old boy thought it was okay to sexually harass his classmate? If she should have known better, he bloody should have too.
While I agree that jumping to violence can sometimes be the wrong answer, there are at least two cases where you just gotta remind people that polite society has its limits: nazis, and people who are actively sexually assaulting a child. This person was openly sharing sexually explicit material of her with others in front of her. That is sexual assault under Louisiana law. And if you think asking a predator nicely to please stop ever works, you’re a naive fool.
I don’t blame that girl one bit for hitting him. In fact, I hope she used her nails. Some people simply have no sense of boundaries until they receive percussive instruction.
Violence isn’t the answer to trolling.
I hope this girl gets better influences that can show her right from wrong and how to be the bigger person. Her reaction would not fly in the real world.
Violence is the solution to child porn though
no one is asking why a 13 year old boy thought it was okay to sexually harass his classmate? If she should have known better, he bloody should have too.
In fairness, he “was charged with ten counts of unlawful dissemination of images created by artificial intelligence”, so it’s not like he was given a free pass or anything.
She’s on the Internet for life. I hope he enjoys registering as a sex offender.
He absolutely should not be on the sex offense registry for doing something stupid at 13.
What about 14? Is it ok then?
Only once she hit him.
Im a firm believer that society would be better if everyone had a punch card. You get to punch one person in the mouth every 6 months. You will not be arrested, fined, fired, chastised or anything. Hefty fines apply to any retaliation outside of reciprocal punch carding. Women are allowed a small fist pack if striking a larger man.
I guarantee you people will start treating each other better if you can get popped in the mouth. That boy is never gonna do that shit again I promise you. Core memory unlocked.
‘How I met your mother’'s SLAP Bet was amazing.
Fuck the punch card, if you’re an asshole you should deal with the consequences. Getting punched in the face is the least of what should be dealt with.
I can only be so harsh on the boy. He is a child as well. And while he should be held accountable for the sexual assault, saying he is sexually abusing a child makes it sound like he’s some pedophile. It’s normal a 13 year old would be attracted to another 13 year old.
Ours is a society of ignorance and cowardice. From a perspective of objective neutrality, in a state of nature, the ethically correct response is killing the aggressor.
By doing so for tens of thousands of years, humanity weened itself of the vestigial psychopathy that had dominated our species, until a civilization could actually thrive. Ironically now, civilization protects those same monsters and infests our institutions with them, since we have lost all perspective on defending ourselves from the existential threat they pose to all life on earth.
i swear you read the dumbest fucking bullshit on this website
The fuck? Even in nature, plenty of animals have social punishment behaviors other than killing.
Let me get this straight… some jackass made deepfake porn of a 13 year old and SHE gets expelled for giving him a well deserved smack?
I hope that asshole gets to be on a sex offender list at least.
a well deserved smack?
Your parents should have raised you better.
Wow…gotta love a future where you fuck around and the victim gets to find out instead of the offender
That’s always been the case.
Same as it ever was.
I hope her parents have the good sense to financially crucify the school district. “No tolerance” policies are bullshit and favor the offender.
Indeed. I always tell my kids don’t punch first. Punch last.
I would consider making deep fake porn of someone (a minor, especially) and publishing it to be punching first.
A big part of the problem is also that schools see physical violence separate from emotional violence. That is…they don’t see emotional violence. They handwave it as “just bullying”. The bully gets nothing more than a slap on the wrist (if that) until they strike physically.
And, the school exists in a bubble. If bullying happens outside of school/the bus (say, online), their hands are tied.
Then one day the bullied kid snaps and schools acts like it was completely unprovoked.
At the very least, it’s revenge porn: https://www.legis.la.gov/Legis/Law.aspx?d=78391
The victim is under 17. The idiot kid is seriously flirting with being registered as a sex offender.
A child absolutely should not be put on that list for this. This should result in punishment but we don’t need to be punishing children for their entire lives for doing things they are literally incapable of comprehending the full ramifications of.
Why do the victims always get the short end of the stick in these cases?
Well, he was charged with 10 crimes, she was charged with nothing, so I wouldn’t conclude that she ultimately got the worst of it.
The expulsion was almost certainly unfair (though details on why expulsion over much more typical punishments for this sort of thing in a middle school are completely absent, which I find strange), but it can be a lot more easily ‘undone’ than the criminal charges.
Because theyre girls and are inherently sexual by gender, plus boys are a protected class
/S but i cant even tell if im joking or if this is just what it is now
Even a boy hitting a boy/girl who had been bullying them for months would be punished harsher than the one tormenting them.
The girl’s father makes it clear that “boys will be boys”.
“Honestly, I have no ill will towards that young man or his family. Kids are kids, and they do dumb things just like adults do. So, especially at that age, they don’t comprehend the severity of what they do,” Daniels said.
Especially not if there are zero consequences.
Yeah, you can tell how clear he makes it by his overall statement being completely ungendered, the moment he’s not talking about this boy specifically:
Kids are kids, and they do dumb things just like adults do. So, especially at that age, they don’t comprehend the severity of what they do.
How exactly is the above sentence favoring boys over girls in any way? I also don’t see him criticizing his daughter for the actions she took, either.
I think you just want there to be misogyny, to confirm your biases.
That father is either a far far better person than I am, or an idiot. I’d be fucking furious.
While reading that headline, the last bit- I could hear the sound of squealing tires in my brain as I COMPLETELY switched opinion
They can’t expel me, I’ll hit him.
Americans seem to be too comfortable defending perverts.
My thoughts:
- Re the girl: expulsion seems like a really over-the-top reaction on its face, especially for a girl hitting a boy—my ‘information is missing’ senses are tingling hard. Did she beat him especially severely? Does she have a track record of prior violence? I’d like to at least see the school’s own stated justification for expulsion over a simple suspension, etc.
- Re the boy: I’m guessing the body of the AI’d image was an adult’s (I feel like the article would have definitely mentioned it if it was an ‘age-appropriate’ body generated with her head). Pretty sure there’s no statute that covers this sort of thing specifically, but from the article, he “was charged with ten counts of unlawful dissemination of images created by artificial intelligence”. Ten counts, but the beginning of the article uses “image” singular; I’m guessing this boy generated an image each of a bunch of his schoolmates, and she’s the only one who reacted physically.
This article has a bit more info, mentions that a group of students were spreading the images amongst themselves, but this one is still very light (read: 0g) on the details of the expulsion or the rationale behind it: https://www.wdsu.com/article/louisiana-ai-images-student-nude-law-change-possible/69365110
Expulsion over punching another student or even lesser altercations is super fucking common in the US. Especially if the person starting the fight is a minority. Shit man, a black kid was expelled for wearing an offensive t shirt in recent memory.
“Super fucking common” struck me as hyperbolic, so I dug a bit.
Here, under the most recent data, 2019-20, “Removal with no services for remainder of school year”, which is close to expulsion but not quite as severe on paper (if I understand correctly that expulsion is ‘you can’t come back ever’, not just ‘you can’t come back until next year’), is something that happened in response to “Physical fights or attacks” at only 5.1% of schools.
Nice to see the sheriff took action, since the school doesn’t seem to give a damn.
charged with ten counts of unlawful dissemination of images created by artificial intelligence
The girl has been allowed back into school, only after a school board meeting voted to allow it; but ‘on probation’ and with the expulsion still on her record. The family is following up with a federal lawsuit because of that.
I’ll note she didn’t just hit him out of no where. She first reported it to school staff. They did nothing. She then tried to contact her dad and got told by school staff ‘parents don’t need to get involved’. The school then put her on the same bus as the offender, who showed off the image again to other students in front of her.
What else was she supposed to do. I’d have hit him too, and I’m almost 30.
Not being allowed to contact a parent while distressed at school especially strikes me as bad. Even if they have no good reason to be freaked out, preventing a distressed student from reaching out to a parent while at school really sits poorly with me.
I’d raise hell if my kid was told parents don’t need to get involved. It’s not like the parent wasn’t going to hear about it as soon as she got home.
If there is pornographic material being made about my child, I should be the first person the school calls. And immediately.
School administration is a joke
On probation for what, defending herself? Fucking hell.
I’m all for violence when needed. It was not needed but certainly deserved.
Without getting all wrapped up in your beliefs, surely you can see how assaulting someone for showing pictures you don’t like, even if they depict you, is not self defence.
That’s following the same logic of Muslims attacking someone who drew the prophet being justified.
Him brashly showing naked pictures of her to people in front of her was sexual assault, meant to damage her mind/emotions/social connections.
Why are you only interested in the damage done to his body, and not the damage done to her life?
Why is her “option of last resort” use of violence not okay when ever other attempt failed to protect her? How else can she protect herself when literally everyone else refused to?
sexual assault
harassment?
use of violence not okay
not necessary or reasonable to stop an imminent threat of danger, but I think you know that
It’s child porn for fuck sake. The school did nothing and put her on the bus with him. What other option was she left with?
If it were my daughter I’d be proud of her.
What other option was she left with?
there were many like the press, lawsuit, higher authorities
I’d be proud of her
I’d be, too. Kid needed an ass beating & the authorities who failed here needed a comeuppance.
That’s not the same at all. As a dad I’d I more than likely would be in jail for beating the fuck out of the kid.
Getting angry over images of mythical skydaddy means you have mental issues.
Getting angry at a boy who made fake nude images of your daughter is 100% justifiable
Wow! WTF? Parents being involved seems the minimum. The way I see it, if the school took no action and the parents were intentionally not told, the kid got off easy without a full blown asswhoopin’.
If the school knew and didn’t report it to authorities or parents then the people involved should also be charged. School officials have a responsibility to report suspicion of sexual abuse, physical abuse, and self-harm. That’s what being a mandated reporter is about. I’d bring criminal charges against anyone wanting to keep it in house.
If the school knew and didn’t report it to authorities or parents then the people involved should also be charged. School officials have a responsibility to report suspicion of sexual abuse, physical abuse, and self-harm. That’s what being a mandated reporter is about. I’d bring criminal charges against anyone wanting to keep it in house.
Fuck that school, their behavior is what allows this kind of thing to continue and turns these asshole kids into asshole adults… and then we end up with modern day US.
Sounds like a great cause for a law suit to me (not protecting a student). And we all know how much Louisiana cares about that.
I taught middle school briefly. I had a student that was sexually harassing another one of my students. Using “[student’s name] GYATT” as a nickname in kahoots and shit. The student being harassed had also transferred in from being homeschooled all her life - no experience dealing with this kind of shit.
Admin refused to do anything. I rearranged my seating chart to put them as far away from each other as possible, but admin blew me off when I asked if the problem student could be transferred to another class. Nope! Left me on read.
It’s insidious in Oklahoma. I imagine it’s the same in Louisiana. They really do not care about sexual harassment. It’s the “good old boy” system, where they refuse to consider it as anything more than a minor issue.
Admins don’t care about students, period. Not just sexual harassment
Every one of the school officials who knew and did nothing should be charged as accomplices.
I would think that all of the school officials could be brought up on charges of failing to report as mandatory reporters.
I would like to congratulate her on the new college fund after her parents sue the absolute shit out of the school.
Unfortunate for everyone else, but when a school says “parents don’t need to get involved” they’re doing something quite wrong
If im the dad in that scenario I’m catching assualt charges then sueing for child endangerment, fuck everyone involved from the school.
If I’m the dad, I’m lawyering up. This is going to be a very expensive lesson for the school
Absolutely, but all I’m saying is you can probably lose an assault case and still win a completely different lawsuit at the same time, one of the lawyers will end up paying for the other.
Yeah if it were me, bare minimum the boy’s parents are getting their dinner interrupted by a loud angry knock on their front door.
charged with ten counts of unlawful dissemination of images created by artificial intelligence
I’ll bet that has a penalty of like $1.25 total.
Back when I was in school, they would have expelled him and gave her a high five (and told her not to get caught doing it again).
Her brothers or cousins might very well pay him a visit also.
When I was a kid, the police would have arrested and charged the boy for CP even though he’s a kid too. This story is insane, it shows how much things have changed.
When I was a kid
things are very different in very different locations. Don’t over-generalize like that.
You elected a pedo for president and all his cronies!
Holy shit, that was me? I alone can decide the president? And I decided Trump? Holy fuck.
We found him! Right here! This guy!
Because it’s not real it cannot be CP legally. Which is why he is being charged on this lower count. I am sure the sheriff would love to give him more years if they could.
The AI nuance makes this make more sense… the law has yet to catch up.
What else was she supposed to do.
Sue the school, get the police involved, go to the press, etc. The authorities in her life were failing.
If we were talking about adults, I might agree with you; but that’s a lot to ask of a 13 year old.
Perhaps she should have waited until she could get home and speak to her parents; but she did reach out to the adults responsible for taking care of her and was repeatedly turned away without a solution.
With that, I can’t really blame her for her actions here. I’d educate her on how to reach out further for help in the future, but I definitely wouldn’t punish her for this one.
but that’s a lot to ask of a 13 year old
Not for her parents, though.
While her actions are understandable, violent force without imminent danger is still difficult to justify. In practical terms, though, that kid needed a severe beatdown & the shitty administrators need to face consequences.
If it was a realistic-looking image of a nude 13 year old, isn’t it child porn?
Sounds like the school and the sheriff’s office only started to investigate once the family got lawyers.
Technically speaking there is no such thing as child porn - it’s abuse material i.e. evidence of a crime. However, there has been no crime when the content is AI generated so it would be categorized as simulated abuse material.
Child porn as a term shouldn’t really be used at all. It downplays what said content actually is. It’s similar to calling female genital mutilation a “female circumcison”.
Us federal law explicitly uses and defines the term “child pornography” in 18 us 2251-2256.
From justic.gov:
Section 2256 of Title 18, United States Code, defines child pornography as any visual depiction of sexually explicit conduct involving a minor (someone under 18 years of age). Visual depictions include photographs, videos, digital or computer generated images indistinguishable from an actual minor, and images created, adapted, or modified, but appear to depict an identifiable, actual minor.
So no on all accounts. Child pornography is an actually legal term, and ai generation does not get around it if it depicts a real, existant person.
Child porn as a term shouldn’t really be used at all.
This is, linguistically, an unwinnable fight, imo. People understand what “porn” is(/is meant to be), and ‘child’ is just a descriptor. People are never naturally going to start saying “abuse material” instead of “porn” in instances like these.
We can’t even get people to consistently say STI instead of STD after all this time. You’ve got to pick your battles, lol.
or male genital mutilation a “circumcision”
This is a false comparison. Circumcision has actual medical uses (e.g. phymosis, cancer, balanitis). FGM does not.
let’s go ahead and remove feet at birth too, might develop gout.
…not everyone gets circumcised at birth. I got circumcised in my 30s due to phymosis. No one undergoes FMG at any age for any medical reason. Conflating the two is deeply unhelpful to both the stigma around medical circumcision and to protect people from the brutality of FMG. Not every country is America.
*FGM
fair, but most circumsized men were mutilated at birth for no medical reasons
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I never understood US schools “logic” when it comes to deal with violence.
Yeses, she should not have hit that asshole, but they should expell him, and maybe give her a day or two of detention.
The same level of logic where the bully is somehow not at fault for when the bullied finally stands up to them.
Not that I’d know from personal experience or anything growing up from how many times it was somehow my fault for retaliating.
As someone bullied a lot what I learned from them always punishing retaliation but not the action was to wait a day, be sneaky about it, then unleash all hell like youd never get another chance. If they’re gonna punish me for being in the right Im gonna earn it, so I went big. They never found the rock that was in my hand though so I guess it worked out.
Congratulations on your new flair!
Jeez Ender Wiggin
Dont get mad at him for doing it better.
punishing retaliation but not the action
I’m missing something. Are you suggesting that by retaliating outside the moment - attacking outta nowhere the next day - you were somehow punished differently? Perhaps less so?
What often happens in these cases, you’ll see, is that nothing is every done about the issue until the victim fights back. Then they usually both get punished equally.
The initial bullying is often completely ignored.
Teachers tend to treat one sided aggression (ie bullying) as an annoyance they must deal with, often daily, so it’s brushed off as par for the course. Once two parties are swinging it’s a fight, and since they’re already used to excusing bullying, it must be the retaliator who was wrong.
“it takes two to tango” that is, there’d not be a fight if the victim didn’t resist. Therefore both parties are at fault /s
yuuuup “Why’d you hit back? Now I can’t ignore it!”
I also think teachers get used to bullies because they act out so frequently and just accept their behavior as default, so they subconsciously think yeah that kid is supposed to hit other kids, but it was weird the quiet one flipped out all of a sudden (flipped out meaning acted exactly like the kid they ignore does all the time)
nope you got it.
Punishing the victims should they dare to not stay quite is an honored tradition in schools and one that isn’tl limited to the US at all.
Rest of the world: Want to know why US schools have so many shootings? It’s not just the availability of weapons (though that’s the #1 factor).
Kids are taught from an early age that justice of any kind for their abusers inside school is never going to happen. Any action they take will likely result in expulsion—just like this girl—even for defending themselves.
With the microcosm of a social space that is school, what conclusion do you think kids will come to if they want justice? They don’t see any bigger picture than the tiny little place on Earth they’ve been legally obligated to be inside of until they turn 18.
And this situation is a stronger reason.
The girl has gone through every reasonable and righteous option she could of.
And the authority of all of those matters - failed her. So what was she left with? Punching the abuser. Now they’re all like “WHUH?! OH MY GOD! U CAN’T DO THAAAAAAAT!!” despite them practically IGNORING what was happening. What did they honestly expect? For her to own it?
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0 tolerance = 0 thought
It’s punching people is bad mkay. No thinking about why they got punched. Just punch = suspension.
Yep. It is a very limited world view to only count physical brutality for these kinds of judgements.
This has always been my contention with this policy. It’s one thing to prohibit physical violence. It’s another thing entirely to create an environment where everyone escalates to verbal abuse (bullying) and other forms of assault, yet have no ‘zero tolerance’ policy for those things.
She should get a high five instead of detention.
That is my opinion, too.
Basically, it’s whoever creates a problem for the school. Bullying doesn’t make waves or headlines. Physically assaulting people does. Therefore, bullies don’t get punished, only people who hit back.
Seems to me a kid who’s essentially created child porn and distributed it at school would be a huge potential problem for the school.
Yeah, when I was a kid if a girl sent a naked photo to a boy and he distributed it, they could both get busted for CP, usually the boy would face a harsher punishment for distribution and the girl could negotiate something else. This image was created totally without the girl’s consent or knowledge, so the boy is the only one at fault
Although, once alerted and not helping her, the school is at fault as well. And perhaps the individuals, such as the principal.
Right, potential problem. So they try to bury it to avoid it becoming an actual problem. The kid fighting back makes it an actual problem, so she gets suspended.
It’s a fucked up logic, but that’s their reasoning.
The logic is “precarity”. Everything can arbitrarily be taken away from you by a capricious system.
America is a shithole country.
I was a kid who got picked on and his ass beat a lot in the aftermath of Columbine. And I can speak from experience that basically every single guidance counselor and teacher’s marching orders were that I was much more terrifying and dangerous than the kids who cracked my ribs multiple times.
Part of it is that the culture of “boys will be boys” is still incredibly prevalent and transcends politics. Hell, look at how many “leftists” are glad to ignore platner being a nazi who worked for blackwater and blames the victims of sexual assault for being around soldiers?
But an ex who actually is a teacher explained this to me one night. A lot of the logic is that the bully is a lost cause who is probably going to suffer a LOT more if their parents have to come into school to talk to the principal about what their kid was doing. And… they are probably lost causes that schools just don’t have the resources to help. Whereas the kid getting bullied? They have a chance. So the kid who pantsed them in the cafeteria gets a slap on the wrist whereas they get a week of in school suspension for breaking that kid’s nose.
And then you combine that with standardized testing and funding and No Child Left Behind and the idea of expelling the young psychopaths only to get them back in a year because the “bad kid school” is full… yeah.
And I can see the same cold logic here. There is nothing the school can do about her being violated like this and the reality is that basically every girl in school is probably dealing with the same problems (they just might not know it). And there is nothing the school can do about the sick bastards who are doing this. But what they can do is say they have “zero tolerance” in the hopes of keeping everything from boiling over and just kind of hope she gets past her trauma somewhere else.
Ain’t the world massively fucked?
There is nothing the school can do about her being violated like this
Legal authorities? Expulsion?
Administrators are lazy & risk averse. If parents advocate for their kid by raising a significant enough threat to job security, then administrators will act.
I get it, but why punish the bullied person then? Let them off the hook as well. That doesn’t follow any logic.
Aside on the Platner thing, I don’t like the guy because he gives off some weird vibes. But I don’t think he’s a Nazi. He’s been pretty honest about his past, and I think we should learn to let people grow.
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Petition to strip big balls of his medal of freedom and give it to this girl who showed courage in the face of adversity and no tolerance for bullshit.
I would def. sign that petition.
I can’t think of a better use of my time than signing & spreading this petition.
I signed it. I’m going to see if I can sign it multiple times, lol. I hate that dude and I don’t even know him. All I know is that him getting his ass kicked by two 15 year olds from Maryland at 330am in this city while he was here doing incredibly shady shit is the direct reason that city I live in has been absolutely locked down by the National Guard, ICE, DEA, FBI, DHS, etc. for months now and it’s showing no signs of ending. Fuck that dude.
Should put thr porndog in jail
You mean the people offering the service of turning people into porn without consent? I agree!
