Dr. Lisa Anderson, 58, was born in Pennsylvania and is a U.S. citizen.
A doctor born in the United States says she received an email from federal immigration authorities demanding that she leave the country immediately.
Lisa Anderson, a physician from Cromwell, Connecticut, told NBC Connecticut on Wednesday that she recently received a letter from the Department of Homeland Security telling her, “It is time for you to leave the United States."
Immigration authorities have been pushing noncitizens to leave of their own volition, or “self-deport,” as the number of deportations remains at similar levels to last year.
This is what? 3rd or 4th time we’ve heard about this happening? Crazy.
The ones to Us Citizens were meant for next month… Opps
What a weak response by officials. It may have been in error? They can’t even admit that they are terrorizing citizens?
Why would you do the via email and not an official letter? People see it as spam or it might be the wrong email adres. Fucking amateurs.
Because none of the people in charge know what they are doing.
There is one good thing about this, if email is now official means of primary government communication, that means it’s a guaranteed right that has to be provided for free.
are you out of your mind? the only official channel of government communication is twitter (x)!
This is Truth Social erasure, and I will
notstand for itOnly benefits for elderly people are done through Twitter, everyone else has to fax.
Because this is all from DOGE bs. They probably did a mail merge and said, “if you did nothing wrong… ignore this email… but if you did, you got 7 days. Herp derp.”
We already knew Elon and Donald doesn’t know shit about the Federal Government since Day 1 and hired morons.
Because this is who the American people voted for.
Because you’re governed by a fascist dictator who you have given unlimited authority to do whatever the fuck he chooses. And he is.
Of course sending this letter to an American citizen in the first place is bad to begin with.
That’s just it. Our highest government institutions are now almost entirely by rank dipshits who don’t know how anything works. They’re worse than amateurs. At least amateurs know enough to understand their own shortcomings.
If I received a message like this, I would buy a plane ticket to a safe country and would apply for asylum immediately, and I would use the letter as a basis for the asylum application. It seems like a really strong basis for the application.
Great! Show me a country that will willingly take in someone who’s disabled, financially support them, and house them and I’ll fly there tomorrow – oh and they’ll need to cover the cost of the plane ticket too. I’m terrified of what’s coming for me as a “parasite” being on disability, Medicaid/Medicare, and HUD housing but I don’t have the finances to move elsewhere.
Define safe here, the only places I can think are Australia or New Zealand. The rest of the world is heavily messed up and falling head over hills for right wing sirens.
Canada’s doing ok. There’s a 75% chance that the next prime minister will be liberal, but our conservatives are also less crazy than Trump. Most Canadians hate Trump right now, so both sides are pretty much required to oppose Trump.
The US might invade us, but that’s true for a bunch of countries right now.
And hopefully we are all in agreement to vote ~smol pp~ into retirement.
I don’t like all of ~smol pp~'s policies, but at least they tell it like it is, you know? After ~big pp~'s growing scandal and flaccid campaign promises, I just want someone who has the stamina to keep this country erect for at least the next 3 years.
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You’re conservatives also is very Pro-Canada too, and before they were very Pro-Donald… until he started threatening Canada.
There’s this island full of penguins…
Australian here, we aren’t always fantastic either. NZ seems good, but they’ve had some weird shit going on from time to time as well. I’d probably go with them though.
Which one has the giant spiders the size of your head? I choose the other place.
The giant spiders are Australian. I mean, it’s Australia, everything has two health bars. That said, there is a harmless but creepy-crawly-looking giant grasshopper-looking thing called a giant wētā that - like actual grasshoppers - likes to live in and lay its’ eggs in people’s backyards. Here, educate yourself!
If you hate bugs, I’d recommend heading to South America (make sure to check local political stability of each of the nations) and staying in a city, or heading to northern Canada and buying a tiny shack to ride this all out away from everyone else. Japan is a possibility but… fucking murder hornets. Literally in Tokyo suburbs.
Bruh. I’m looking to generally reduce my stress. Do you have pictures of cats that look like their owners?
Fair enough, but if you’re on the internet post-2017 looking to reduce your stress, you’re in the wrong parts of the internet. Find a forum that’s been around since well before then on your hobbies (niche hobbies like old fandoms tend to have the best results), other than that social media killed the internet.
Both, but the ones in NZ aren’t poisonous, at least.
So the two safest places left on earth also both have giant ass spiders where half will kill your ass and the other half will just traumatize you. Got it 🫠
To be fair the giant spiders are generally not venomous, they are fast as fuck though.
So you are alive when they start to eat you…
Fortunately, no. But they will probably eat the harmless giant grasshopper-things (wela) that also live in New Zealand backyards.
There’s also giant crickets in Africa, and several giant beetles in Japan. I swear I don’t remember where I learned all this, I’ve never even been to New Zealand or Australia or any of the other places (aside from South America).
I dunno, those giant spiders might prove a good deterrent should the likes of the not so dapper Don decide to come take the place by force.
So long as they don’t put flies in my ice cream, I think we can forge a lasting peace with the spiders
This also happened to a practicing immigration lawyer: https://bsky.app/profile/nicolemicheroni.bsky.social/post/3lmpvej6vn22t
Another one?
Must be a “coincidence”
I always suspected it’s because the immigration lawyer is probably the person they’re supporting is their secondary email.
It is time for you to leave the United States.
Well, considering the political climate I can’t really argue with that.
Everybody is assuming that this is the result of this administration’s virtuosic incompetence, but it is equally possible that these people have been specifically targeted. The last one was an immigration attorney, so that seemed to indicate they were harrassing someone who was opposing them. I wonder if they have some bizarre reason to target this woman.
Conceivably it is both. There’s a Dr. Lisa Anderson on a list somewhere for some reason and the admin simply does not care if they sent the letter to the right person.
Similarly, when the ICE agents kick down her door, they won’t care if she’s the right person either.
“Fuck it, take her anyway.”
That’s essentially a real quote:
“No, he’s not the one,” one ICE agent reportedly said.
“Take him anyway,” the other replied.
Yeah, that’s what made me think of it.
Admitting to a mistake weakens their idea of authority. Authority, any authority, will do anything before they admit to a mistake. If you’ve ever put at a disadvantage because of an authority’s mistake, you know how it goes.
“We get to boost our numbers and hit that quota easier and she was probably a communist Democrat anyway, win-win.”
It says it right in her title, “Dr”. Sounds like an open and shut case - pro-vaxer, poisoning and gayifying american children with 5G microchips, and very probably cutting men’s dicks off so they can go into the women’s toilet to rape people.
The underlying unsaid context: “White American with White Name who never has been outside the country told to self-deport”. Yes, WHITE AMERICA it could happen to YOU!
I lived in a travelers hostel with a lot of international people moving about on various visas. I think white people and majorities are more smug and comfortable than they should be right now. There was plenty of fuckery then, and we didn’t even have the Jaffa cake monster in charge.
Don’t assume they ain’t coming for you. If you’re not on their side, you’re somewhere on the list.
White people have never been exempt. One of my few criticisms of the BLM movement was that they should have been more inclusive.
So you’re an ‘All lives matter’ kinda person?
Unironically, BLM should have grabbed ALM before the white supremacists did. It would have taken some of the wind out of their sails. There’s some images of Black protesters holding signs of white kids who got killed by cops. Black people have a higher rate of police brutality then white people do, but Native Americans have an even higher rate. Not to mention that cops seem to go immediately to guns when dealing with epileptic shock and seizures victims. Also see Women and Queer people.
BLM was/is also hostile to other marginalized groups like the LGBTQ; a BLM group literally blocked my city’s Pride parade in the middle of it. Aren’t we protesting the same thing? So hypocritical and tone deaf.
A group has. Not all the groups.
I’m not really equipped to talk at length on this topic, but luckily, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar has
Unironically the suffragettes should have campaigned for all people being allowed to vote.
Unironically, the LGBTQ community should have campaigned for all marriages to be legal.
BLM wasn’t ALM because the movement was based on the horrendous rates of police violence and murder their communities have suffered. Yes, all lives do matter, but the point of the protest was how much black lives don’t matter in the US.
There’s also other minority groups. I’m not sure you read my whole post, because I specifically mentioned Native Americans having an even higher rate of police brutality.
Unironically, the LGBTQ community should have campaigned for all marriages to be legal.
Isn’t that what they did? At least between consenting adults.
Also, there was an effort within the Women’s suffrage movement to continue and get African Americans the right to vote. Martin Luther King Jr. also tried to continue to promote Communism. It’s almost like if you’re proven to be successful at leading real change, you get targeted. You’re not allowed to change the world twice.
Isn’t that what they did? At least between consenting adults.
Technically, yes. And for a time, it was good.
Then Roe vs. Wade was overturned for no good reason and Trump stole the election last year. The (federal) laws towards gay/lesbian(/etc?) marriage hasn’t changed afaik, but it would surprise me if that is how it is in practice under Teflon Don.
Not bashing anyone, does LGBTQ as an acronym even matter as a whole for marriages as much as for self-expression and mental health? Not in a “LGBTQ is lesser” way, but think about it logically. Asexuals (well, aromantic asexuals) aren’t getting married, they don’t want to. Getting married as transgender should absolutely be legal and legitimate, it’s just that in a marriage, you’re either male or female or (in rare cases) hermaphroditic in a biological, body-focused sense, so your marriage can be gay or lesbian or straight but whether you started out as the gender you currently are should be irrelevant to marriage status as long as the government acknowledges you are your current gender regardless of if you changed your gender.
If you want to normalize this stuff, the best way to do it is to at least recognize nuance and definitions. There are edge cases, those can and should be considered legal too, but as a single asexual person with opinions that contradict both partisan political extremes, if it looks like a fashion statement instead of a call for peace or a demand for true equality, you’re probably doing it wrong.
Of course, now there are bigger issues. Probably better to force Trump off his throne and then never let up the pressure on improving from there.
There’s an element of racial injustice that needed to be highlighted by BLM so I don’t know if including white victims of police brutality is the right approach but broadening to include other minorities would have helped continue their momentum and potentially catalyzed more meaningful change. Eventually challenging police brutality as a whole may have been an option but ignoring or underplaying racial inequality early on would have been essentially ignoring the reality of the situation.
Exactly. The “All lives matter” sounds nice to anyone unfamiliar with the movement but it is designed to downplay racial injustice.
What about “Our Lives Matter Too” (OTM2)? You’re trying to fight oppression, appealing to empathy should have been the first resort. I know it feels good to prove being black or dark-skinned doesn’t mean you need help, I’ve been there because I have autism and have encountered ableism from people who are supposed to be doctors or nurses, I’m just saying that once the few white people in the civil rights movement left, it lost steam because the opponent was more willing to get other people’s assistance (in bad ways, but they still succeeded and that should have been countered).
For what it’s worth, if a cop pointed a gun at a kid, I’d die to put myself between them before I let him pull the trigger, and if I would be too late, I’d f-ing kill the bastard. Fortunately, I’ve never met a cop willing to do that. I honestly hate it that your country has cops who are willing to do that in the open.
Once BLM moved toward economic injustice it would have been shut down like MLK was.
It’s a class war now more than ever, the rich people know they can get more nazi lackeys if they call it a race war though.
Also autistic folks, I’ve gotten lucky that my meltdowns generally make me less vulnerable but there have been folks who aren’t to lucky. A good recent example was that kid up in Idaho.
But she gets to laugh it off, which is exactly what she’s doing.
She’s not laughing it off. She’s worried and carrying her passport on her at all times.
thats why scientists and MDs are the first to flee a dictatorship before shit hits the fan, and people were complaining they should stay and fight. they dint go to school and act like country bumpkins.
If I was a Doctor, I’d just leave. Plenty of countries would welcome a doctor.
Screw the hippocraric oath, Hippocrates is dead and I’m not joining him.
What does the Hippocratic oath have to do with staying in the United States or leaving?
Becuase they’d be leaving a population that is gonna need be in need of doctors so it kinda goes against the part about helping people.
But like, I don’t blame them for leaving.
Doesn’t the Hippocratic oath basically just say “Do no harm”? I don’t think you’re morally obligated to work.
That’s a very broad reading of it. Most doctors would feel free to practise medicine elsewhere if politically targeted.
I mean, you’re both kind of right. I’m no doctor but it seems like something doctors (good doctors, anyway) would seriously consider in regards to this. On the one hand, they’re leaving people to the wolves. On the other, there is nothing you can do in the US if it gets that far that will outweigh the good you can do elsewhere. But then, is that actually true? This isn’t the literal same as WWII, it’s just extremely similar, a pattern we are able to recognize this time around because it happened before and was well-documented. It’s possible that this time, leaving would in fact cause more harm than good. But if you have a family… Well, I can’t blame you for protecting your own kids over your patients and their kids, as long as you don’t throw someone else under the bus.
It’s complicated. When there’s that many variables, all you can do is trust your gut. No one can predict the future that well, if at all.
And yet MAGA will wonder out loud why their doctors’ appointment wait times are getting longer and longer.
TRANS PEOPLE AND IMMIGRANTS ARE MAKING YOUR DOCTOR’S APPOINTMENTS TAKE LONGER TO SCHEDULE
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No they won’t, they’ll just blame the Democrats.
It can be hard to leave one’s family behind.
Usually you can bring your immidiate family members with you (spouse and children) if its an immigration visa.
As for extended family. You can apply for your parents and siblings after a certain time residing in the new country or upon becoming citizen there.
You can also stay in touch via the internet while waiting.
Well sure, but your family may not wish to come with you. They might have a whole life in the united states they are unwilling to leave behind.
That’s a decision for a family conversation.
I was in Mainland China, I didn’t make the decision to come to the US either, since I was a kid. My parents decided and that’s it. Parent’s have to make the decision about the future of their children. If the adults agree, then move. Kids will understand when they grow up.
Learning another language was rough, but eventally, I grew to like this place. Much less pollution, much more diverse people.
(It’s a shame how politics can ruin what the US could’ve been)
It isn’t politics, it’s GOP and fascist politics that ruined the US
That’s kids/adults, but consider instead 4 close siblings in their 30s with jobs, and they have to look after their aging parents.
Yea, that’s gonna be more difficult.
My aunts/uncles in China just had to take care of my Grandmother until my mom became a citizen and filed a petition for my Grandmother. And now my Grandmother is here.
My mom also filed a petition for my aunts (her sisters) and that also would include their immediate family (their husbands and their unmarried children under 21). But seeing how the politics is now in the US, I’m not sure they would want to come when they get approved (or if they would even get approved). Unlike my parents, who worked shitty jobs in China and therefore the US is a much appealing option; my aunts are teachers, so they have like government pensions and stuff, and their kids would be over 21 when they finally get off the waitlist. (They’ve been on the waitlist for like almost a decade now. A lot has changed in politics and economy.)
I mean, they talk everyday through wechat, so its not like they are far apart anyways.
In principle, yeah, but in practice all countries require re-qualification for doctors with diplomas obtained overseas. Medicine is one of the jobs that are hardest to move across national borders
That’s true, but the demand is still there, and for someone who already went through all the work of getting a PhD getting recertified isn’t that big of a deal comparatively.
yea, because MD schools might not be equivalent to those in UK/CANADA, AND USA. i heard its very hard to become a MD as an immigrant even if you have a license already, because they have those qualifications that might be above where you got your license from.
i think its different for a UK/CANADA doctor trying to become one in the US though. its very convoluted and overlycomplicated.
many EU countries need MDs(probably best if your a speciality, and anuerosurgeon) they need to reverse the brain drain.
With an exotic name like Lisa Anderson (I’m sorry, did I pronounce that right?) She’s kind of asking for trouble like this.
They’re pushing the boundaries, to see what they can get away with.
I’m just joking.
They can get away with anything.
They scraped her social media, deemed it to have “Improper Attitude,” and targeted her. Besides, the only reason she’s not the kitchen, not making sammiches where she belongs, is because of AA/DEI, right guyz?!!!
Edit again: wrong doctor. Still…
Remember when they thought the covid shot was a way to keep track of you. Why don’t they care all of a sudden?
Clearly the daughter of the guy in The Matrix which is not real murica!
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What’s as bizarre as anything else about this is that they are sending these to people via email. Like she says, most people will just think it’s spam. What official US government organization has ever before sent official legal stuff via email? None. Until now.
The idea that if you don’t see an email threatening to arrest or deport you, because it was filtered as spam or looks like spam or was sent to an old email you don’t even use anymore or any number of things related to email being an unreliable way to contact someone, is scary.
I also read somewhere that some govt agency (don’t recall which, I think it was a health agency?) would now be posting all official notices on X instead of on their own official website!!!
It sets up a situation where anyone could misrepresent the government and send these types of emails out to harass people.
Pretty sure that’s the point
I also read somewhere that some govt agency (don’t recall which, I think it was a health agency?)
Social Security Administration
I know a lot of terrible things are going on but it’s stuff like this that also eats at my brain. It’s so incredibly stupid, pointless and is petty the right word?
gets old ppl on X and into the fascist disinfo pipelines is my guess as to why
Or it gets old people screwed out of their Social Security because the new rules and guidelines to continue receiving payments was posted on X, and they don’t have an X account because they are 80 fucking years old and don’t use the internet.
a little column a, a little column b
Exactly.
The famous quote about Nazis, “First they came for…” is being realized at intense pacing.
Fuck fascists and their garbage Nazi AI injection into government systems. All Nazis are garbage and the exception to the rule about acceptance and inclusion. GTFO!
Death to Nazis!
If this is against mods policy go ahead and delete but… seriously.
Nah fuck that
That is an excellent platform.
Due process to Nazis.
It’s just my opinion and I don’t advocate violence, but for me, “due process For Nazis”=pulling back the hammer.
I think that’s what he was saying, but either way…
Sorry for late response. Not what I am saying at all. Everybody gets due process. If you want to exempt Nazis, then we have to rely on your judgement of who is a Nazi. No thanks. That’s like relying on the Trump administration to determine who is in MS-13 and not have to prove it.
Castration for pedophiles without trial! Uh, what if when you look more closely at the case, the evidence that the suspect was a pedophile falls apart? Just because the crime is heinous doesn’t mean the suspect is guilty.
You’re not wrong. If being a Nazi is a death sentence, then you better have a good definition of Nazi and you should prove your case. That said, if you are Nazi-adjacent and throwing up HH or sending people to death camps, you’re telling on yourself and fuck any technicality. You and I can recognize evil that the law can’t. And I’m kinda okay with that.
When a bunch of Nazis start getting killed, I’ll start looking closer. But to date, no Nazis have gotten killed in about 75 years for just being a Nazi, and that number is far, far too low.
I respect your point of view and the world needs people less biased than me. But my opinion isn’t changing.
intense pacing? it’s a gd speedrun of it is what it is
The difference between today’s Republican Party and the Nazi Party is just temporal and geographical. Same ethics.
“ethics”
Chances are those idiots are just using a shitty LLM to parse through folders of documents and extract names, then templatize them into a form email without any validation. She could have been listed as a physician for some other person and her name showed up on some random medical document and the dumb system grabber her that way.
They’re too dumb to even comprehend what they are doing, they’re using AI like it’s canon all over the place.
This is actually great.
I mean, I know this is going to be a cynical take, but I have nothing left but cynicism towards my country.
If the administration starts persecuting white Americans, that’s far more likely to rile up middle-class, liberal America than if people with “exotic” names like 'Garcia" get deported. It sucks but it’s true, our country is built on a foundation of mildly xenophobic middle-class liberals who don’t really care what happens politically until they feel personally threatened, and at this point I really, really want them to feel the danger so there’s some chance of recovering this tragic slide back into the fucking dark-ages.
TIL that “Garcia” is an “exotic” name!
Just saying it out loud could get ICE knocking on your door.
If the administration starts persecuting white Americans, that’s far more likely to rile up middle-class
Does this matter at this point? What are middle class Americans going to do about it? Vote?
“Liberal America” isn’t a group of people in the abstract, these are our judges, our lawyers, our civil servants and our accountants and our food drivers. There is great power in that, which is why so many people desperate to hold onto their wealth for so long have worked so hard to make us all think that kind of power isn’t as good as money or fame. When it’s far, far more powerful.
Someone wrote a book about it once, spawned a few big movements. Might have heard of it.
Maybe it will be midterm votes, maybe it will be marches and protests, maybe it will be full on riots. Do not underestimate what happens when enough people start to worry about their safety, security and where their next meal will come from.
Someone wrote a book about it once, spawned a few big movements. Might have heard of it.
A few people wrote a few books, certainly.
Maybe it will be midterm votes, maybe it will be marches and protests, maybe it will be full on riots.
I mean, you’re describing the 2008 to 2016 arc for liberal Democrats. The problem is that eight years of voting, marching, protesting, and - ultimately - rioting only ever seemed to move Democrats to the right.
By the time Hillary’s failed 2008 bid had been resurrected, she was more hawkish than the “Oops, sorry, but I’m not sorry” candidate that lost to Obama eight years earlier. She was worse on civil rights. She was worse on public health care and education. She was worse on policing and immigration and trade and employment. She was worse on environmentalism. And she wasn’t alone.
All because the degree of lobbying and corporate media had amplified itself, to the point at which DC Dems were absolutely deafened by it.
I don’t see any of that changing. If anything, I see “Liberal America” increasingly tainted by the fascist fill inundating DC. More lay people are convinced MS-13 is around every corner and China is an existential threat to American Freedom^™. More media is plugging a liberalized version of libertarian capitalism, with privatized subscriptions for every public service. More revanchists popping up in liberal circles saying how Transgenderism is an attack on women’s rights and being a celebrity billionaire is the highest goal of any true feminist.
It’s fucking bleak out there
