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Intentionally breaking laws sounds like something that should be prosecuted.
It will always fall on the driver of the vehicle, as it should. I don’t care how self driving your car is, it has a steering wheel, an accelerator pedal, and a brake pedal and in the driver seat YOU are responsible with how you operate your vehicle. If u decide to trust a self driving feature that’s YOUR mistake. I would love to blame all these crashes on Tesla but the reality is that all these drivers aids and self driving cars having accidents is proof that you should be the one in control of your own vehicle. No crying about how the automotive nannies didn’t stop you from crashing the vehicle your driving, take responsibility. Don’t like it? Don’t trust the “self driving” nonsense (read: glorified advanced cruise control). Now one thing I don’t agree with is advertising as self driving, and I strongly believe self driving vehicles in public roadways should be ILLEGAL!
Except the problem here is Tesla is lying about a product to encourage people to use it illegally and unsafely. At some point there’s extra deaths to blame solely on tesla’s lies.
Can you point to one of those lies? Because every time I push the FSD button it says ‘keep hands on the wheel be prepared to take over at any time’ right there on the screen.
Full Self Driving, the name of the feature is literally a lie. Its used all over in the marketing for the vehicle. Most car companies call comparable features “driving assistance” or “lane control” etc.
states just need to ban teslas from public road
Next will be teslas without airbags. Because why not.
TBF, if they’re going to lock you in a burning car unable to exit, killing you with the dashboard or sterring column would be a mercy killing compared to burning to death inside.
replace the airbag with a letal injection perhaps?
/s
Adaptive cruise control is good enough for most people and has been a proven technology for 20+ years. FSD is just downright dangerous.
I like my car’s version that’s just adaptive cruise control combined with using lidar maps of major roads to do lane-centering. I can go on a road trip and not touch the gas, break, or steering wheel for hours, but I have to drive it myself through residential neighborhoods.
what type of car? my outback isn’t bad but it’s not quite that good, especially if there’s a stiff breeze
Cadillac CT5
They’ll even pass slow cars then get back over.
And none of that “touch the steering wheel every few min” stuff, but it uses infrared pupil trackers to make sure you’re mostly looking at the road and not sleeping.
The idea of infrared pupil trackers is terrifying.
Imagine the tracking potential for insurance companies, law enforcement, etc…
I know this is offtopic, just the first thought that comes to my mind :(
Googley eye napping.
yeah that’s definitely going to be a bit higher spec than my Wilderness lmao. The Outback will maintain lane and do centering but does not like even moderate turns, roads with questionable paint, or gusty conditions. It’s great for highway use and it definitely won’t pass other cars for me, but it will take me pretty far off the beaten path as long as I’m not trying to follow a jeep. Hell yeah, sounds like we’ve both got solid cars that fit our needs.
This is good enough imo!
Why do we continue to allow this company to exist and break the law?
Corruption
Money
By these powers combined…
Texas
the incompetence of this guy holy.
He’s been real quiet lately. No more talks of release the list or the America Party. Did his K plug go on vacation?
Now trump is black bagging US citizens in broad daylight, and Musk is an immigrant who fully admitted that he originally entered the country illegally. The danger must have creeped its way through his ketamine addled brain.
I can promise you he doesn’t even think about that.
He’s busy with his little Internet cult right now and I’m assuming some other malicious bullshit to fuck us with.
Musk also has a private army of security contractors (and someone like him probably has mercenaries off killing people in other countries too)
he’s far too much trouble to go after, if you’re DHS, regardless if you’re Trump DHS or Democrat DHS. someone like that is ungovernable.
He didnt buy ihs gold plated visa?
Maybe while he was doing the DOGE thing he changed his status.
Need jammers to confuse and break Teslas. They’re weapons designed to break laws and protect occupants at the expense of bystanders. Can’t be mad if a bystander redirects your Tesla into a ditch.
protect occupants
It doesn’t even do that. You crash a tesla and start a fire, it will glady lock you in the car.
Can’t have too many witnesses after all.
as long as it doesn’t break the other ones. not all of the safety features we’ve developed in the last quarter century are bullshit
Eh I have a hard time believing anything made or done in the last 20ish years was done for anything other than money.
Hmm. I think lane-assist probably makes people worse at driving. Anything that lets people pay less attention on the road does, it trains drivers to be less alert. Adaptive cruise and automatic braking are probably a net benefit but “car safety” is not trending in the right direction.
Despite all these “safety features” accidents are far more common now than 20 years ago. “Driver aids” do nothing but encourage bad behaviour, better off just PAYING ATTENTION to the 2 ton steel cage your throwing down a concrete cheese grater at 60+mph…
Do you ever return and read your posts back?
They finally did it. They automated crime 👍
When a self driving car breaks the law, the CEO should get the demerit points on their own licence, and if they lose their licence, the cars can’t drive anymore.
Man, holding the company financially accountable for all traffic violations would be magnificent.
It’s a shame we’re too stupid/weak to pull it off.
Somebody needs to be responsible, otherwise ban self driving until someone figures it out. Impound the vehicle if need be.
What? You can’t just demand accountability from AI bros, that would destroy their whole business model.
The second one of these cars cause a fatal collision due to wanton disregard of the law on part of the CEO, he should be held criminally liable.
That has already happened…like a handful of times at least.
That would be funny but better yet, the entire line of cars gets the feature deleted from them and customers are reimbursed the entire value of the car plus interest in exchange for having risked their lives testing an unstable and dangerous vehicle.
bail out the idiots that bought cybertrucks?
eehhhh…
This hurts Tesla more
They shouldn’t even be able to market it as self driving if they don’t insure the self driving mode itself.
CEOs like you’re talking about, they dont drive.
the only time they’ll step behind the wheel of a car is for a pleasure cruise in some multi million dollar supercar on a track, or a closed / private road.
So what? Them driving is not relevant to this at all. The idea is that the cars they sell become illegal.
How the world works by a 7 year old
you, too, can die at the hands of AI and become forever enshrined as algorithmic data to help improve Tesla’s subscription services sales to the very wealthy and hostile
Yep. This is inevitable. Whenever we get to the point where consumers are controlling the aggression of the self driving, which will happen no matter laws are past.
Ultimately it’s all just code on hardware.
Tesla is definitely doing their fuck around, still waiting to find out on this one. Eventually that liability will catch up with them. The question is months, years, or decades.
Remember when Elon said how self driving would make roads safer?
I do remember when musky boy said lies. Many, many lies…
Since it seems to be unsafe at any speed, why not.
Because now it can hurt others going even faster
Maybe it comes with a “scape the police over the border” bottom.
Since it’s Elon more likely to go directly to the police station
I mean, yeah. True. But to push back a little, driving at the actual speed of traffic is often safer than driving the official speed limit.
The real world and written law don’t always line up, the speed limit is one of those areas.
Certainly, especially when it comes to things like MERGING which is an arcane art to some.
Because there are levels of unsafe and this is more unsafe
The less time you’re at the cars mercy…
which comes with higher speeds and more frequent lane changes
Go kiss a concrete pillar, ya duds
Just because Elon is above the law doesn’t mean you are, even if you’re in a Tesla. Good luck.
the cow catcher i put on front? with all those “decorative” bones and limbs in it? why yes it’s purely cosmetic and is not at all indicative of my premeditated intention to FSD through a crowd.
Even if you’re just minding your business when a sleeping pilled-out middle manager from Subway corporate plows into your 98 Corolla in their Tesla at 100 mph leaving your family without a father and source of income because a billionaire nazi who’s constantly off his nut on ketamine decided rules are stupid and don’t apply to him and the entire societal structure designed to prevent this from happening has been hollowed out by incompetent bigots who absolutely rate high on the sociopath scale because nazi media has ensnared 51% of the population and now you dead.
I agree with you but may I offer you a comma in these trying times?
They’re optional
can it be my old shitty 94 ford tempo instead i really hated that car
Take a breath, dude.
Edit: lol at the downvotes. It’s just a gag about the lack of punctuation on a comment that I otherwise agree with.
They’re correct, though.
Yes.
And now you dead.
I’m not sure what this system does, but my non-Tesla car can adjust its intelligent cruise control by speed limit signs it sees, and you can tell it to have a buffer. Mine is set for +5, so if the sign says 45 miles per hour, the car drives itself at 50 mph.
If it’s something like that, which you set yourself, it’s probably fine. Just know what the police in your area enforce. Where I live you can generally go five over without an issue, ten over on the freeways. Everyone does this, so if you go the speed limit you end up annoying everyone.
I’ve driven by a few radar speed indicators in my car, and I’m consistently going 4 km/h less than what my digital speedometer says, regardless of speed. I find it difficult to believe this is an accident. So if I had your vehicle and it behaved like my speedometer does, I would still only be +1 over the limit. Also, I now drive with my speedometer +5 to +9 relative to the speed limit, which keeps me more in line with the traffic around me.
This is kinda dumb. So they have to adjust speed limits below safe levels so you don’t get over it?
So dumb that society collectively agreed that 35 means 40, 40 means 45, 45 means 50, etc.
There’s a little more to it than that. They also need to consider that, in cars with an analogue speed dial, the actual speed is not displayed precisely. Plus, there may be minor discrepancies between the speed dial and the actual speed, which can be affected by non-standard tyres etc. So a small “buffer” in acceptable speeds is pretty reasonable.
I recall being told by someone at a Mitsubishi factory that car manufacturers actually intentionally set the speed dials to be slightly higher speed than reality to accommodate for people’s need to break the rules just a little…!
Can confirm the last part.
Almost every car with speed control set to, for examole, 50 kph was metered at 45kph on GPS.I was also told it’s about the calibration of the radar guns. They are calibrated to -7/+0 meaning if you are going 47 mph there is a chance you are picked up as going 40. That said if you are going 41 or 42 there is a good chance the cop picks you up as going less than 40.
That I understand, but as the person I replied to said that I hope you read, people intentionally go 50 in the 45.
So the grace window you mention is irrelevant; you’d be doing 51 in the 45.
In Germany there are speedtraps everywhere.
No bs cop on-site decides, that today you have chosen a bad day.
It makes us feel like we’re speedy little rebels. 🤣
But then why don’t we all shoplift packs of gum every week?
Speeding is the one law everyone agrees is fun and acceptable to break a bit, despite being more dangerous than many actual crimes.
Because when the road is built for a safe speed target of 65, then the limit is set at 55 instead, yeah you get people who are breaking the legal limit but not the actual safe speed.
Edit: forgot a link: https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/design/standards/151007.cfm
tl;dr: design speeds and speed limits are not necessarily related. “Selection of a posted speed is an operational decision for which the owner and operator of the facility is responsible.”
Where I’m at, they’re trying to do that plan where they lower speed limits and change the roads to reflect the slower speeds with narrowing, or bikes lanes, or speed bumps etc to reduce car accident deaths, but they ignored the entire part about changing the roads to reflect the new speeds, and just lowered the speeds.
So you got these 4-6 lane roads that were designed for 50km/h and now they’re 30-40km/h and absolutely no one, is doing the posted limit, at the new 30 areas, not even cops.
All I can come up with is now if you speed like people may have before, you’re really over the limit, so it’s easier to ticket someone? Like before people might have gone 55-60 in the 50 zone, but now going 55 is well over 40, and impound level over 30.
Do you think that every or most roads have the wrong speed limit? I sure don’t.
If everyone is speeding on a road and not constantly getting into accidents does that not indicate that the posted speed limit is incorrect?
If it didn’t, it would be pretty damn annoying as cars always show higher than actual speed. I’ve had to set our BMW to do +8km/h so that it actually does 120km/h on GPS and not 112.
as cars always show higher than actual speed
Although that is true, your car is quite extreme in that regard. In Germany cars are not allowed to deviate by more than 3kph at speeds below 100, and 3% at speeds above 100. I doubt BMW uses different speedometer for cars sold in foreign countries so I’m pretty sure there is something wrong with yours. Maybe you installed smaller diameter tires than from factory?
Hmmh, could be, though both are “from the factory”, the winter/summer tires are slightly different sizes. But the allowed error in the EU overall (or at least in Finland) is 10% +4km/h, so it’s still well withing “spec”.
Are your tires fully inflated?
slips the cop a hundred, or five
“enjoy your trip, carry on”
