ICE Is Deporting People to Africa on Military Flights
www.rollingstone.com
Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is deporting people to African countries like Ghana on military flights that are nearly un-trackable.
  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    346·
    6 days ago

    The fact that people aren’t protesting this shit in the streets is a sign that this country is dead

    • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz
      29·
      6 days ago

      People are, stop checking to see if the public is fighting or not through corporate news mediums that have a stake in making you feel like nobody is protesting…

    • Fedizen@lemmy.world
      271·
      6 days ago

      Most the major news in the US is run by republican loyalists. People are protesting all this but the cameras are all pointed Charlie Kook’s memorial.

    • silence7@slrpnk.netOP
      24·
      6 days ago

      There are big protests in the places they’re doing the most aggressive racial profiling. It just doesnt make the national news. See this for example

    • hector@lemmy.today
      8·
      6 days ago

      A sign that people don’t think they have a way to fight. We don’t have any leadership, fighting under the Democrats is a waste of time that sticks your neck out without accomplishing anything. You get some real leadership and you will get fight. Until you get rid of these Democrats that see themselves as controlled opposition this is what you will get.

      • odama626@lemmy.world
        14·
        6 days ago

        Join an ice out of x or 50501 group near you. Major political parties only cause change when they’re forced to with the ire of the general public. Should read the book “this is an uprising” by mark engler

    • OctopusNemeses@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      6 days ago

      To be fair the regime has been pretty brutal. The protests this summer in the big cities was met with military force.

      It’s not good signs as you say. The authoritarian regime is in full swing.

  • npcknapsack@lemmy.caEnglish
    22·
    6 days ago

    At least this indicates the missing people from Alligator Alcatraz are alive. And isn’t that a sentence I would very much like to never, ever say again.

  • DicJacobus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    23·
    6 days ago

    notice how they’re sending these planes to countries that barely have an airforce to chase them the fuck away with.

    they’re sending them to places where the local governments wouldnt dare protest.

    • Mamdani_Da_Savior@lemmy.world
      8·
      6 days ago

      I don’t think you get it.

      Those govts are being paid to take those people, you think they are doing this for free? LOL! And why those particular places? While, probably hoping a lot of them just dissappear.

  • LillyPip@lemmy.caEnglish
    172·
    6 days ago

    At some point, other countries will stop taking these extrajudicial deportations, and guess what happens then?

    (*Spoiler: Hitler did this until other countries started refusing all the deportations. Only then did he start gassing people. This is stage 1.)

    • Skullgrid@lemmy.world
      15·
      6 days ago

      At some point, other countries will stop taking these extrajudicial deportations

      Yeah, no. They are being paid to accept these people and they intend to do absolutely nothing with them. just dump them out there and say “good luck”.

      • SabinStargem@lemmy.todayEnglish
        8·
        6 days ago

        I think that when the American dollar becomes useless, these countries will be accepting the trafficked as slaves. …If they aren’t already. No decent person would send over 500 children to be disappeared.

  • TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca
    15·
    6 days ago

    Jesus f-ing Christ, it’s like inverse-slavery and America having decided to be the slave sellers this time around. Literally negotiating to work people from previously active workforces to countries they have no ties and a paper agreement of their guilt that allows them to be manhandled like slaves on the industrial scale.

      • hector@lemmy.today
        5·
        6 days ago

        But our courts now are so fucked that the lawyers will argue while it is cruel, it is not unusual because we are doing it all the time so therefore both of the terms of cruel and unusual aren’t met and the court has no business stepping in the way of our legitimate executive Authority.

        Disallowing courts from Nationwide injunctions was a huge decision that is not recognized as such yet, that shows you where the Supreme Court is going to allow this to go, straight into the abyss. They think the Republic is already dead and all but name.

    • 3abas@lemmy.world
      749·
      7 days ago

      Wow so brave. Buy a rifle and learn how to use it, memes aren’t revolution.

      • LillyPip@lemmy.caEnglish
        41·
        6 days ago

        Why aren’t we shooting these Lemmy posts?!?!

        lol, like people can’t arm themselves whilst also taking 5 minutes to post.

        Are you eating? No! Shoot!
        Are you pooping? No! Shoot!
        Are you breathing? No! Shoot!

        Don’t reply to me, you should shoot!

        Stop doing what Lemmy is for, shoot your phone!!

        • 3abas@lemmy.world
          1·
          6 days ago

          They are literally posting a meme about asking the pedophile in chief to release the evidence in themselves. They are posting a meme about ineffective passive bullshit.

          That’s why I said what I said. I didn’t say you have to be shooting all the time, that’s a very silly interpretation.

          I’m on Lemmy, obviously, making a comment with a message: America needs a revolution, and a revolution can’t be won without guns when he releases the military on you.

          Had their message been something effective, I wouldn’t have said anything, but posting “release the files” memes on every post is not only ineffective, it’s also distracting from every awful thing he’s doing that’s more worthy of a revolution than simply being a known pedophile. He’s running the Nazi playbook page by page, you no longer have the freedom of speech, people are being sent to international concentration camps without trial, and you’re making memes to distract from what needs to happen: you need to revolt!

          An armed minority is harder to oppress, and those willing to stand up are a minority. You don’t need to shoot everything, I didn’t imply that and I’m not a violent gun nut, but you should at least know how to operate a rifle effectively and get some ammo while you can.

          Trans people are being targeted next, are you gonna protect them with “release the files” memes when the stories of what Trump is doing to them start coming out?

          That’s very brave.

  • njm1314@lemmy.world
    921·
    7 days ago

    Slaves.

    Don’t kid yourself these people are being sold as slaves. That’s why they’re being sent to these countries. We are selling slaves.

  • shiroininja@lemmy.world
    77·
    7 days ago

    I guarantee the conditions at these African camps will be inhumane and murderous. They’re located in places already rife with conflict and cruelty. Places like Sudan, etc. It’s the point, to offshore human rights violations. Sounds familiar

  • BanMe@lemmy.world
    64·
    7 days ago

    The military flights cost up to $28k an hour, but it’s OK, he’s putting this all on your national debt, his giant credit card.

        • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz
          21·
          6 days ago

          Here is the thing I don’t understand, Fuck Trump but also as a leftist I think it is a great step of honesty to rename the Department of Defense to the Department of War. I mean, yes Trump is doing it because he WANTS to embrace the military industrial complex even more but that doesn’t change the fact that the name change fits the department a lot better than the old name shrugs.

          • Dasus@lemmy.world
            2·
            6 days ago

            Oh yeah, it’s less hypocritical.

            But perhaps we’d rather it was named and acted like DoD, instead of being named DoD and acting like DoW.

            • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz
              3·
              6 days ago

              I agree I guess I just feel like naming something a better name mostly just gives liberals and centrists the license to stop paying attention and assume things are great, so yes you are right but I genuinely think the stupidness of this move is ironically productive towards getting the average person in the US to think skeptically to some degree about the military industrial complex’s motivations and how they relate to our wellbeing…

  • kboy101222@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    631·
    7 days ago

    So when did music magazine rolling stone become one of the more reliable sources of non music news in this country? I’m seriously asking cause it’s really strange to me. Good, but strange

  • ObtuseDoorFrame@lemmy.zip
    61·
    7 days ago

    This is murder with extra steps. The genocide has already started. I genuinely thought we had more time before it started…

    • ubergeek@lemmy.todayEnglish
      5·
      6 days ago

      Everyone for the past 8 years have been saying “The shit is right around the fucking corner! Please, get ready for it, so we can fight back when it does arrive!”

      Jan 6th was the Beer Hall Putsch. And those telling everyone this, and explaining the historical context and lessons were met with derisive remarks. We also warned the Dems that pushing Biden, and then Harris, into the running for POTUS was a dangerous move, and prone to failing. Then, we were accused of “helping Trump”.

      Like, the knowledge of how close we were was widely available. It was ignored. Why do you think “Defund the police” was considered a “middle ground” for those on the left? Notice who is doing the gestapo work? Cops.

      • capital_sniff@lemmy.world
        9·
        7 days ago

        We go four years of lessons about how the rich and connected live by a totally different set of rules and laws from those of us that are not rich or connected.

      • WoodScientist@lemmy.world
        111·
        7 days ago

        We need to start talking about how we’re going to hold these people accountable once this is all over. And we need to think of methods that bypass SCOTUS all together.

        I propose that we rendition ICE agents to the countries of their victims to face trial in foreign courts. Are you an ICE agent that sent a bunch of innocent Venezuelans off to die in a prison camp in Ghana? We’re shipping your ass to Venezuela to face trial for your crimes against Venezuelan citizens. Just bypass the US judicial system all together, same as Trump is doing. That way some future Republican president can’t just pardon these bastards, and we don’t have to worry about a criminally corrupt SCOTUS refusing to hold murderers accountable for their crimes.

        That’s the thing about crimes against immigrants. In theory you can be prosecuted in either their current country or their home country. If you harm an immigrant in the US, even if the US justice system is incapable of holding you accountable, you could simply be extradited to the home nation of your victim.

        • Amberskin@europe.pub
          5·
          6 days ago

          Maybe, just maybe, you should consider withdrawing the ‘The Hague invasion act’, join the ICC treaty and send all those thugs (beginning with the Fuhrer himself, if he is still alive) to The Hague.

          Worked well with Milosevic. It’s working well with Duterte. Would work with the Orange Fuhrer and his goons.

        • stylusmobilus@aussie.zone
          3·
          6 days ago

          Hey? Unreal you blokes.

          First you tell people from other countries to mind their own business when they tell you to take part in the easy method of dealing with it, then double down on it. Now you think other countries, who you told to mind their own business, should deal with those subhumans because you blokes can’t deal with it at the polling booth nor within the judiciary. As you point out, you don’t have to worry then, because someone else is dealing with it.

          At not one single point in this does the US take responsibility, it’s all palmed off to other nations. Developing ones at that.

        • sudo@lemmy.today
          21·
          7 days ago

          once this is all over

          We need to be talking about how to get all of this over with

        • SabinStargem@lemmy.todayEnglish
          5·
          7 days ago

          I think it should be simple for ICE members: get the accounting books, see who is paid. Then execute them.

          It isn’t kind, but clearly the mercy of Reconstruction and the Nuremberg trials (About 210 Nazis executed) allowed the bastards to be rooted in the culture of their nations. They must be treated like weeds, else they will come back.

          The biggest worry here, is the books being falsified when the Hitlerites have clearly lost the war. They would likely add the names of their enemies to their books at the last minute. Hopefully, the Furry Hackers of the Allies would consistently obtain payment records, so that we can know when fake entries have been added.

          • Formfiller@lemmy.world
            5·
            7 days ago

            They have to have due process but I agree that the punishments have been way too soft. The confederacy, the Jim Crow connected officials and the lynch mobs should have been dealt with after a trial with a jury made up of a jury of the community that they were targeting.

            • SabinStargem@lemmy.todayEnglish
              2·
              7 days ago

              I figure that payment records is the closest we can get to due process. ICE wears masks to avoid retribution, and many of their victims will be killed to ensure their silence. Maybe someone smarter than me can figure out a better way to track ICE membership, but I can’t think of it.

              • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                3·
                6 days ago

                Yeah but the point of due process (especially since you specifically mentioned executions), is to make sure beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the person did the thing they’re accused of.

                Otherwise, you make mistakes and you kill innocent people. Due process includes gathering the evidence you mentioned, but then also making sure that it’s real and valid and not just someone who didn’t like their neighbor so reported them or what have you

                • ubergeek@lemmy.todayEnglish
                  1·
                  6 days ago

                  Otherwise, you make mistakes and you kill innocent people.

                  There are no innocent employees collecting checks from DHS.

                • SabinStargem@lemmy.todayEnglish
                  1·
                  6 days ago

                  That is why ICE is problematic, because they deliberately try to avoid being identified. At some point, we have to choose: do we allow many members of ICE live because of their duplicity, or do we remove them from society, despite not having much information?

                  It isn’t a great situation. That is why collecting records is important, so that we can obtain a reasonable justice. After having an answer of “Did they serve ICE?” of yes or no, it becomes possible to indict ICE as a class of war criminal. ICE certainly wouldn’t even bother to check for citizenship before sending children abroad without parents, court orders, nor consent, so it is reasonable to have a relatively low standard for whether ICE staff should die. They are effectively genocidal traffickers by choice, and at some point, the restraint of mercy becomes foolishness.

                  The evil of ICE is corrosive like that, it affects everyone in their vicinity. Unfortunately, an end to a civil war where ICE is allowed to live, just means that they get to continue corroding our humanity decades after, as would their families in the centuries to come. It is better to commit the evil of execution against ICE, in order to prevent their evil by choice from growing strong in the garden of our society.

        • 3abas@lemmy.world
          42·
          7 days ago

          We need to start talking about how we’re going to hold these people accountable once this is all over. And we need to think of methods that bypass SCOTUS all together.

          Cowardice. You need to talk about how to stop it, but that’s too uncomfortable and cuts into your daily routine. Why the fuck are you only interested in doing something after you can’t save their lives anymore?