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The last Windows OS I used was XP. I miss those days.
Microsoft needs to sit in on a one bar prison for 36hrs. It used to be bad. Now its tortuous.
Why even does anyone put up with any of it?
It’s just getting updated to, modern times. (☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞
I installed Windows 11 on my new office PC yesterday, and it took hours.
- The initial boot took forever because it decided it needed to do an update as part of the install,
- Then after install when you enter your Microsoft account details so it downloads the entire internet including OneDrive (gross),
- Then you switch to AU locale because despite saying I’m in Australia during install it’s set me up as US language and currency and imperial measurements etc but Melbourne timezone (also incorrect),
- Then you uninstall and disable all the stupid Candy Crush and celebrity news (in the start menu?? why??) and LinkedIn and Xbox gaming crap and all this other stuff that just appears,
- Allocate another day to uninstall all the MS Office stuff I don’t want (especially OneDrive),
- Then you can install Firefox and Thunderbird and Nextcloud and Libre Office and Irfanview and accounting software,
- And finally everything starts syncing and away we go time to be productive…
- Jokes! Critical update and it’s time to reboot multiple times.
I can boot from a Ventoy USB and have a new distro installed and working on my laptop in under an hour ffs.
This has happened twice now: I’ll build a new PC about the time my father will buy a tower from Dell.
Mine comes in 4 boxes from 3 vendors over the course of a few days. His arrives fully assembled with an OS installed.
I take 3 or 4 hours to put the machine together, boot into a Linux live session, let the installer run, I get up and do something else while that goes. When that’s done, I boot into the OS, run a big ol apt or dnf or whatever command to install most of the software I like, that runs for awhile, that installs my backup software. I restore a file backup from my old machine, that runs for an hour or so, gotta love spinning rust external hard drives. And then I’m moved in and up and running.
My father, meanwhile, will:
- Erase the copy of Windows that Dell included on the machine and install it fresh, which might be the only way to actually remove McAfee.
- Spend an entire week, full time, installing software. Downloading setup.exes from vendor websites, running install wizards, telling Windows “Yes, put these program files in the Program Files folder” several dozen times in a row, installing some stuff to include MS Office from disc, which Windows increasingly fights him about.
- Somehow also taking a rather long time manually restoring file backups.
- Tweaking settings for DAYS.
I’ll have an SSD fail. I’ll go to Best Buy, buy another off the shelf, pop the thing in, and either reinstall the OS and my software, which is a rather straightforward automatic process, or simply restore my most recent file backup, which is a couple clicks, depending if it’s my / or /home drive.
My father…look, some men build model train sets, some men paint, some men plant gardens, some men fish, my father backs up his computer. I have a cabinet full of HIS backup hard drives because he’s playing pretend he has “offsite backups.” When he suffers an SSD failure, he:
- Comes over to my house to monologue about it for 5 to 10 minutes
- Spends an afternoon on the phone with Dell. At some point he convinces them to honor the warranty he paid extra for.
- 1.5 weeks later the one service tech Dell has for this state arrives with an SSD and installs it.
- Engage the full manual reinstall business, because 1. he’s got his whole system on one drive, and 2. for some reason he isn’t willing to actually use the full system image backups he takes.
Don’t forget the whack-a-mole of finding which ‘features’ got turned back on with the critical updates.
But does Ventoy have OneDrive?
/s
I see and acknowledge your /s, but the serious answer is Ventoy doesn’t but many Linux distros offer OneDrive support out of the box and the onboarding process will help you set it up.
This might assist you in the windows horrors
Use Windows LTSC
Installing Windows 10 or 11 has never taken more than an hour for me, from initial boot all the way to finalizing all updates. Don’t know what your issue was, but it is not the norm.
We replaced “Clock” with ClockPilot. It is so much better! Go ahead ask Clock Pilot what time it is!
You: Clockpilot What Time is It?
🤖 Clockpilot: “Ah, an excellent question! It’s breakfast time in 12 different countries, next week already in New Zealand, and—wait, hang on—did you know Saturn’s day is only 10.7 hours long? If you were there, you’d already be late for bed.
…Anyway. Locally speaking: it’s … thinking …did you adjust for Daylight Savings, quantum drift, or whether your cat stepped on your keyboard last spring?
Would you like me to set an alarm for:
Your next existential crisis, The heat-death of the universe, or Dinner?You: Clockpilot I said WHAT TIME IS IT!
Oh, of course! It’s 5.20 AM on the 35. April in the 114. Juche year in North Korea. have a productive day!
Modern user-friendly Linux in a nutshell:
“Hey that kernel update finished in the background, unless you were bored enough to stare at this window for the last 3 whole minutes. It would be best to your machine as soon as it repels for you, boss! 😎”
Please note however that modern user-friendly linux does not use emojis in notifications about system updates. That was just for fun.
I use mint btw
the mf updates itself alone every second
I’m installing Linux on an old laptop this October to start getting used to it. Meanwhile I’m getting the extra year of security updates for Windows on my main laptop. Then, when that year is over, I’m installing Linux on my main laptop and sticking with it.
Hi I just did this myself on an old Gen 6 Intel Thinkpad after Windows 11 force-installed Copilot and made it overheat so bad I thought the battery was going to catch fire. Pro-tip: Get Ventoy, it will create a bootable USB drive for you, that you then drag ISOs onto. Hit up DistroWatch and grab the install ISOs for whatever distros look good to you. Throw those ISOs onto the USB you just created and reboot. You’ll be able to test out different flavors of Linux with incredible ease. For you and your old laptop, I recommend Vanilla Linux, Ultramarine Linux, Mint Linux, Pop!_OS, and Solus, all of which work great on older hardware and ease you very gently into *nix-land!
W plan
Your time has come, https://www.whattimeisitrightnow.com/ from BoJack.
“Guys, today we just reinvented time!”
-Microsoft (or something idk…)
And why the fuck is windows always “preparing” to do something!? Are you generating a record of my activities to phone home with? Just do the damn thing!
Well, downloading maybe. But it should just say fuckin downloading!
Just a moment
Progress bar at 100%
Progress text reads “complete”
Wait 2 hours
Why am I reminded of Monty Python’s Meaning Of Life?
“Doctor, what do I do?”
“NOTHING! YOU’RE. NOT. QUALIFIED!”
“PING!”
I installed win11 in a vm just for fun, then ran the deblpat script. The amount of shit that removed was astonishing.
Still sucks ass but at least its not as bad as a damn emachine from 2005. Win 11 performance is so damn shit.
What absolute scares me is how even if you download Windows Enterprise IoT, which already comes extremely clean out of the box, and then run your favorite debloating script (removing even more crap)… the system still shows a noticeable delay when opening the right click menu, or the start menu, or a new Explorer window. So the most basic possible tasks, that you do constantly, for some reason are slow on a modern multi-core processor and a clean build of the OS.
How the hell did they manage to downgrade… the start menu? the right click menu? How?
I read they’re using react, the JavaScript library, for the start menu. If true that strikes me as insane
They’re likely using react native (Microsoft has pretty much gone all in on react for new ui things). It’s not as crazy as it sounds, the majority of cross platform mobile apps use react native.
It’s important to note that it’s not a web browser that’s rendering the ui. The way it works is that react native provides a way for js logic to define the ui declaratively (kinda like HTML), then react native calls platform native components to do the actual rendering. So you declare
<Button>and what comes out on the other end is a real, genuine windows-provided button.
And if you don’t reboot it like every ten days, services are guaranteed to not reenable and shit will start breaking. I see it daily, and people look at me weird wondering why they have to reboot their shit so often, thinking I’m lying to them and saying “reboot”.
We’re going to restart your computer during active hours. Your work will be interrupted. Fuck you.
Yeah, came home to my pc having restarted itself for updates the other day, despite having 2 VMs running at the time that were not properly shut down. Then Windows tried to push their cloud backup on me… twice, and it reset my mouse speed to the default for some reason
Then Windows tried to push their cloud backup on me… twice
This is major boundary respect by Microsoft’s standards
Cloud backup just means they will use all and any data on your pc and network to train their shitty ai to do more shitty things and continue stealing our data. Yay future.
Lets say they don’t use private data for training
(Continue reading when you’re done laughing):
Eventually, victims eventually run out of “free” storage.
The humble corporation will do a bunch of psychologically unethical tricks to basically hypnotize users into forking over those three digits at the back of the family credit card.
Now the victim’s data is effectively held ransom. Keep paying or lose it.
But they won’t stop paying. They paid for a year’s plan at a discount and the peaceful megacorp conveniently hit autorenew for them at checkout.
12 months roll around and oopsie, they already have the money. They could go through the refund process, but they’ve got shit on their plate, might as well keep it for another year.
I could keep rambling, but on Lemmy, I’m probably preaching to the choir about the first verse of genesis.
Yeah, there was at least a skip for now option… What more could I ask for?
Interrupted, and not saved
Isn’t everything being saved automatically anyway, when you work in the cloud (i.e. SharePoint)?
It’s being saved, but not for you.
Love the snark in this thread
When ppl really Get It, you love to see it
I have to use Power BI for my job and it does automatically saves until it’s been open too long and then it stops automatically saving and also won’t let you manually save. Then you have to do a Save As for some reason, close every open PBI file, and reopen them, which takes approximately 3-5 business days.
Libreoffice does this without forcing you to allow them to store all of your files. Because it’s a feature that doesn’t rely on any kind of cloud bs, MS just added that requirement because they are assholes that have no respect for their users.
Your Comment (version 1).xlsx has been auto-recovered. Do you want it?
No, thanks! ;-)
Actually I work a lot with Office Documents on SharePoint in my job and for each of them “automatic saving” is on, so you never have to worry about anything. Just close the application when you’re done and your work is always up-to-date.
MS disabled the auto-save function for anything on a local disk, which is necessary for me because I use *gasp* version control software.
If you turn off a few of Microsoft’s more insane tracking in the privacy settings, it disables the autosave “feature”. The autosave fucked up version tracking badly enough that it was nice to have a global kill button.
I have found that turning off most new “features” that Microsoft makes recently is usually for the best.
Makes sense. You wouldn’t want to hammer that file onto disk every second.
in good software autosave happens with a slight delay of 10 seconds or so. It’s really not uncommon.
Yes I do. I made a change. Save it. My disk can take it.
Yes, until its somehow automatically deleted during a syncing error and than you’re fucked.
inb4 some commenter says this doesn’t happen.
It doesn’t happen to me, but I took a proactive approach to prevent it from happening. I don’t remember what that action was, since I did it years and years ago… but I know it’s possible. You just have to literally more than nothing to prevent these things.
Or you could switch to linux… but that takes an even more proactive approach.
My approach was spending even more money for the pro version so I could access the OS settings paywalled by group policy and set it to never automatically download updates.
It would tell me about updates, but wouldn’t do shit until I clicked a button on the update page to actually install them (though without the option to pick and choose which ones).
It still nagged me about stupid shit I didn’t want, like edge, bing, one drive, and their office subscription.
So when I built a newer computer, I gave them $0 and installed Fedora and laugh at my former reluctance because it’s actually been easier and I haven’t even had moments where I wished I had just stuck with windows.
Not saying that it’s been perfect without any issues, I just recall that there were also issues on windows to deal with, a lot more dated responses showing up in searches that tell you do go to some setting window that no longer exists because the question was answered 6 months ago. Oh and I haven’t had to fight my fucking OS deciding to change my settings back to the shitty defaults they set (plus Linux just has better defaults, so doesn’t even need as much settings tweaking).
And as an added bonus, switching made me finally pull the plug on xbox game pass, which was a nice idea but I still mostly just spent my time playing games on steam and forgetting to check game pass when buying games on sale, so it was kinda a waste of money. But each time I considered getting rid of it before, I’d instead convince myself it was good to have and end up playing some games on there for a few days before forgetting about it again.
you could switch to linux
Done
Ah, so not even speaking from experience, then.
… why are internet people like this?
I used windows constantly for 20+ years. Since windows 7 I noticed this auto-restarting bullshit. I switched to linux in 2021. What kind of gotcha do you think you have… ?
I never said it didn’t happen, I said you had to take steps to make it not happen.
Why are you like this? With the incessant need to be right and everyone else wrong?
ok. “no experience” in what exactly?
not everyone – just people who are confidently incorrect.
The ‘keep changing hours’ section in this article works for me whenever I have to use that partition.
https://www.thewindowsclub.com/windows-updates-restart-disable
You pretty much create the script and have the task scheduler run it hourly. (You should be able to make it silent, though I’ve never bothered for the hourly, half-second cmd blip)
You should be able to make it silent
You can make it silent. Create a .vbs file, open it in a text editor, and input the following…
Set WshShell = CreateObject(“WScript.Shell”) WshShell.Run chr(34) & “z:\path\to\your\script.cmd” & Chr(34), 0 Set WshShell = Nothing
Have your scheduled task run the .vbs, rather than your initial script.
I want a script that forces the update servers at Redmond to reboot every hour on the hour
How long have you been waiting? You’ll never know mwahahaha
Windows server 2016 has entered the chat
