Do you actually do work or are you one of those middle-men that add dubious value?

And, like, do you think I can read my coworker’s screen from across the room and be like “Ah yes, that is TransferProjectView.py. I should tell him that I am also planning on touching that file”?

And adults can learn to explicitly communicate. It’s not impossible. You just type into the box.

I don’t think microsoft understands shit. I think their leaders are out of touch, lying, idiots. They continue to exist based on inertia and past success.

It’s frustrating because management are so colossally, transparently, stupid but they get the big paychecks and the workers get fucked. And then like half the workers sit there going “Well this is just and fair. this is a good world. If the people actually doing the work had more of a say, that’s communism and thus axiomatically bad”

That’s a terrible way to get news.

Some people need an out-group to hate. That’s it. Everything else is a justification for the good chemical feels they get for subjugating the outsiders.

It’s nice not having to ever worry about car stuff. I just have to worry about this high horse instead.

See, you can’t fix our society’s problems by just killing one guy.

The answer to all the kirks out there is to sharpen your arguments and learn how to deny him control of the narrative.

I don’t think this is the complete solution, because of the consolidation of power in the hands of the wealthy. You could have the best arguments in the world, but if YouTube promotes your opponent instead of you, that’s an uphill battle. If they get millions in funding for advertising, staff, and research, and you don’t, that’s not a fight won merely by sharpness of wit.

People talk about the marketplace of ideas as if solely the better idea will win. Stuff wins in marketplaces for dubious reasons like funding and familiarity rather than merit all the time.

That’s not to say we should just shoot all the republicans. Rather, this is a conflict on many fronts, and “they have almost all the money and thus control” is a big tactical concern. I don’t know how to fix that.

“I have many friends and family members on the other side who I love and remain close to, even though we don’t agree on politics at all. I don’t think the murderer who shot Charlie Kirk represents anyone. This was a sick person who believed violence was a solution, and it isn’t, ever.”

I don’t know how you could stay close with maga people now. That sounds extremely difficult.

Not a fan of “sick” used in this context. I don’t think there was any evidence that the alleged shooter suffered mental illness. Writing off disagreeable actions as sickness maligns people with actual illness.

Also, “ever” is a pretty broad claim. I don’t think violence is typically the best solution, and arguably there were more tools left in the box to stop Kirk, but ultimately every right has to be backed by “or I’ll stop you” or it’s at risk. If masked men come to abduct you, violence is likely an appropriate response. Shooting a giant talking head, arguably not justified even if he’s fanning the flames of hate and stochastic terrorism.

But overall it wasn’t a boot licking capitulation, so that’s nice. I didn’t watch it live since I rarely watch TV.

Interesting. Haven’t heard of this one but from their FAQ and writing it sounds interesting.

Not sure if a subscription fee for artists will work. Bigger ones can certainly afford it.

The main problem as I see it now is what any new platform has: getting people to use it.

I’ve been using bandcamp for years, and I feel pretty good about it. I’d spend about $10/month and get 1-2 albums, and now I have a pretty big collection. I’ve been unemployed so I haven’t bought new music, but my library is still here and ad-free.

Bandcamp might enshittify, since it’s privately owned, so make sure you download the drm-free copy of anything you buy.

YouTube’s leadership is complicit. Fuck them and their blood soaked hands.

I believe in racism AND systemic racism.

I don’t believe you. I don’t think this conversation is worth continuing further.

Do you think the old lady complained more or less because the guy was black? Do you think the MTA guy has any discretion? How many other people got the police called on them for sitting “improperly”?

I feel like you don’t accept the concepts of privilege and systemic problems, and are really zoomed in on individual actions to the point of not being able to see the whole picture.

The old lady probably complained because the guy was black. The MTA conductor probably escalated for similar reasons. The victim may have reacted negatively because of decades of racially driven abuse.

I’m not really sure if you’re arguing in good faith, or have some emotional investment in disbelieving racism can be pervasive and covered by other plausible excuses.

Even I was able to convince everyone in here to such a level that some of you would spontaneously fall to your knees, crying and bursting into song, praising my heuristic abilities, I am just one person and it would have no effect on anybody’s opinion about “Vibe coding”

If you believe this, that you can’t change anyone’s mind with your posts, why are you posting at all?

Bias is a thing though. How hard would you say you looked for credible articles? I just Googled “The positive effects of LLM on learning” and if my voice now sounds muffled, it’s because I am now buried under a massive pile of articles being credible all over the place.

True, I’m pretty convinced they kind of suck. Bias is a factor, as is some personal experience with them lying to me, and coworkers submitting strange code they didn’t understand. And the devaluation of labor is bad, too. They definitely can be useful tools to solve problems - I bet they can crank out working dynamic programming solutions and I never understood that stuff very well - but I don’t think they’re an amazing way to learn.

“You’d need to prove that you actually learned stuff” - To whom?

To the people in this thread if you want to convince us of your position.

“but in the longer term it will likely have negative consequences.” - Neither of us have any way of knowing that.

“most people don’t learn much from LLMs” - Again neither of us have any way of knowing that.

There have been several articles about people using LLMs not learning as much , such as the one this post is about. I haven’t seen any credible articles about it having positive impacts.

“your little text changing tool written” - Unnecessarily patronising (weakens your argument).

Heh, sorry. I meant little like snippet, not little like unimportant, but I see how it came off as patronizing.

Look, it’s great that you had a positive experience. I don’t think it’s universal that everyone would have that same outcome, not do I think it’s the only way to get good results. Concurrently, many people seem to be abusing llms.

Do you think you could rewrite the code it provided from scratch, now? Do you think you could apply the techniques to some other language (eg: Python)?

Looking up the answer or being told the answer isn’t the same as the normal learning process. That’s just how human brains are.

There’s also a big difference between “how do i do regex in Visual Basic” and “I don’t know what regex is but the LLM said to use it”.

I get the risks of over-reliance on automation that isn’t required to undergo detailed peer review but it’s also an amazing gift to amateurs like me.

It’s a gift in a very monkey’s paw kind of sense. Or the one ring. It’s tempting to use, but in the longer term it will likely have negative consequences.

I learnt so much that I would have found so much harder any other way.

You’d need to prove that you actually learned stuff, and that the hardness of the other routes wasn’t an important part of the process. It’s cool that you got your little text changing tool written, but i think it’s overselling it to say things were learned. Maybe you’re unusual, but most people don’t learn much from LLMs.

You’re missing or refusing to see the point that the conductor is likely policing certain people’s behavior more

So yes, if the conductor or the police tell you to do something and you refuse you’re probably going to have a bad time. But more importantly, that situation is far more likely to occur in the first place if you’re a minority. It’s likely there was a white guy on that train sitting “badly” and no one policed him.

Zoom out more.

Go try it, ANYONE would get kicked off when doing that.

This is laughably false. People put their feet on the seats on MTA transit all the time. Do you even ride these trains?

(Personally, I have a very negative opinion of people who take up excessive space on the trains, but I would never call the police over it, nor rat them out to the authorities.)

It’s not a racial thing he was refusing to obey the rules when the conductor asked him.

You gotta zoom out a little to see the racism. The racism isn’t in the rules about sitting. The racism is in how the rules are unevenly applied.

Part of racism’s power is the unequal application of rules. Plausibility is often on the side of racism. While the rules may prohibit feet on the seat (were his feet on the seat here?), it is unlikely this rule is enforced against white people as often as it is for minorities. I’m sure it happens, but the point isn’t “sometimes the rules are applied to white people too”. The point is “the rules are more often and more extremely applied to black people”.

Tangentially related, “the new jim crow” is worth reading.