Narrator: Neither of them voted.
Too soon… or too late time is a funny thing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Too late seems pretty apt in this case!
A friend of mine went on a date Sunday night. For some reason they started talking politics. This bitch ass cry baby mommas boy walks OUT on the date, WITHOUT paying for his drinks/food. Luckily my friend only had to pay for her stuff. I’ll give you one guess what his political leanings were. These maga morons got no balls
Morons And Genuine Assholes
Your friend dodged a bullet.
For your own safety you should really ask about their political ideology before meeting them. Make sure to not let them fool you either, never tell them yours first.
Wait, that’s dumb. If all “good” people refused to tell their political leanings, and you’re not going to meet someone who will not disclose it, you’re kinda’ just setting up a lonely life with those assinine rules…
You can sus people out other ways. The point is just to not let chameleons say whatever you said because they’re horny.
That’s a much different take than, “don’t tell people your leanings and don’t accept others that won’t tell you theirs”.
I mean, I don’t think it is.
One is actively requesting avoidance and the other merely suggesting ulterior paths. It’s the difference between someone saying, “punch that fuck in the face!” and, “words will do you no good with this one”.
I am entirely lost.
Sahara is saying not to date republicans, and not to let them trick you. I’m saying the same thing.
If you meet someone who, presumably like you, absolutely will not say anything until you do, then the both of you should write it down on a card and reveal them at the same time.
Or, you should say something about building a border wall. See if they bite.
Or, you should take them to see the Barbie movie. See if they shift in their chair too much.
Like, there are solutions to this problem, and I feel like you’re just not willing to see them.
As a corollary, imagine you’re gay in the 1960s. You can’t tell anyone you’re gay because you’ll get beaten in an alley. But, you would still like to find other gay people. How would you do this?
just don’t date white people
play the odds
Racism isn’t the answer. That’s just literally perpetuating problems.
white isn’t a race it’s the social construct that means the absence of race
Irish stopped being a race when they were accepted into whiteness by becoming police in large number
That’s why it’s literally impossible to be racist against white people
Mental gymnastics won’t save your soul.
reddit.nazi
Oh I hate to break it to you, many people of color are very conservative, and some are also maga supporters.
The real advice is don’t date people from known conservative places, go to liberal cities where you can at least know they are more-likely-than-not, to be at least left-of-center, and possibly a leftist.
play the odds
I know it might have gotten lost in the huge post with multiple paragraph breaks
Man you’d think. Some ppl just use politics to hide shitty behavior. Polis don’t mean shit. See how friendly and helpful they are to strangers. Ppl thank can’t offer anything.
It’s not the end-all-be-all for filtering out assholes, but nobody was suggesting it was. Most of the remaining filters are done before or during dates
I’m glad I live in a place where this would give you almost no info.
Because there’s more than two options.
I don’t think it gives any indication that there is only two optionsoh I see the red and blue arrows now, still you could say this anywhere and be suspicious
Yeah in practice you’re right - if you live in the Netherlands and are adamant that you’re not voting GroenLinks, I can be fairly certain that you’re also not going to vote D66 or PvdD.
But that doesn’t allow me to go on a rant about two-or-fewer-party systems :P
Unless some politician had a recent shitstorm and no other politician was in hot water currently, I would probably ask who it was they wouldn’t vote for because I would have no clue. The same would apply if instead of a single person, it was about a single party, unless an especially bad one had popped up that election, I simply wouldn’t know which party they were talking about. I don’t even think I’d be suspicious, I’d be too busy being confused or curious.
For context, we currently have more than a dozen parties represented in government and half a dozen that didn’t get enough votes this time around, but are big enough to be recognizable and sometimes getting representatives in government.
Our friends husband teld her he voted Trump.
It was one big nail in the coffin of that marriage.
Anyone who voted for trump deserves to get divorced. The lack of morals, the lack of basic human empathy is present in all trump voters.
Even in the best case scenario of a well-intentioned-but-ignorant person that didn’t think critically about what a Trump vote meant, I still wouldn’t want to be married to a fool.
You’ve gotta use your brain if you want to ride this train.
You can’t use that excuse for the last election though.
Nope. This time, everyone knew what voting for Trump meant, so they’re either irredeemably evil or irredeemably stupid (or both).
How would I not know the political views of my husband?
there are entire departments at companies trying to turn people into insane conservatives
It’s possible that his views were conflicted.
I have family whose politics I understand pretty well, and I don’t know who they voted for. What I do know is that they were torn between: “Trump’s blatant antisemitism is a danger to us here in America” and “Trump is good for Israel”.
Ouch, two reasons not to vote for Trump, IMO…
Genocide the natives and take their land? It does sound very American to be fair.
… can’t argue with that
As far as I’m concerned they’re there the same reason; ethnonationalism is a coherent ideology. But explaining that to them is not going to get me anywhere.
Coherent is not equivalent to morally correct.
Oh lol I know someone like this. My (older) brother hates black people, but he is also smart enough to vote for Harris because we weren’t born here and he doesn’t want to be on the receiving end of racism. Now that’s what I assumed anyways, he never told me who he voted for. But he spoke against trump and said he’s a racist and doesn’t like trump, and spoke positively of Biden, saying that “at least Biden didn’t use Asian Americans as scapegoats [referring to covid], while that’s what trump did”, but he also refuse to recognize that he (my brother) himself is a racist lol.
People are so weird.
Yeah, not communicating enough with your spouse to know their political beliefs would be a major red flag. That in itself should be the final nail in the coffin.
I think a lot of us in the US have had this experience some time in the last 10 years. A work colleague or relative you don’t know that well. People tend to avoid talking about politics directly, and often the euphemism (as seen here)bis ambiguous enough that it’s a coin toss for what it actually means.
They look young. Probably not voting for anybody.
yeah they look like they were drawn yesterday
The majority of Americans in general regardless of age didn’t vote at all. I think I understand what you were trying to say either that or you were just being ageist
It is historically accurate to say younger people vote less.
History shows that if the Dems regain full control, they will not reverse all this carnage 100%. They will reverse maybe 25% of it and pretend the rest isn’t happening and maybe claim they don’t have enough control and we’ll hear the term bipartisan.
That’s why I don’t even fucking vote anymore. When they DO have some ability to improve things, they barely do. Biden proved to be exactly the slow-moving watered-down change I expected.
Fuck em all. And fuck you when you tell me how wrong I am. I really don’t give a fuck.
Put up serious change on the ticket or I’ll just roll my eyes again.
I was with you in the first half, until you said you don’t vote. You’re as much to blame for this shit as anyone
Theres a fire in my kitchen, but the fire extinguisher is only going to stop like 25% of the damage, so I’m committed to not stopping the fire.
To be clear, I also don’t support the fire. But the fire extinguisher is:
- filled with chemicals
- makes a huge mess
- costs money to recharge
- may cause other damage from overspray
So the best thing for me and my kitchen is to do nothing until they make a “fix my kitchen” spray.
When you need the fire department but are only allowed to die trying to fight the out of control blaze or die throwing gas on it.
I’m committed to not stopping the fire.
There’s a difference between being “committed to not stop the fire” and recognizing my tools at my disposal don’t work for me.
A better version of your example is more like my single fire extinguisher might help me with some of my fire, but it turns out my neighbors lit the whole fucking neighborhood on fire, so rather than fighting my little fire and exhausting myself pointlessly, I chose to walk out and acknowledge I can’t make a difference here.
If anything I should move out of the neighborhood but that’s a luxury I don’t have.
This would be an argument for not attending protests or volunteering. But voting takes basically no fucking effort.
The top part is true, but reversing 25% is something and it’s not a constant flow of more carnage. If you don’t give a fuck, then you are basically pro carnage since you are doing nothing to stop it, but fuck me right?
Also you can vote for who Dems up on the ticket in the primary. New York voters showed the rest of the country that it’s possible.
Where I have lived for my adult life in 3 significantly different parts of the country, it is true that my vote would have not at all affected the outcome on nearly all election positions I could vote for.
This was true multiple elections in a row. Whether my vote merely reaffirmed what was clearly going to happen regardless, or if mine was a waste since it was clearly not going to matter. In the vast majority of elections I did or could have voted in, I have looked after the fact and seen how my contribution, or lack of, Did. Not. Fucking. Matter.
Also most options I am presented with most of the time are uninspiring or downright evil.
As for effecting change. That’s a waste of time. I learned that early on. Everyone has their viewpoints and beliefs and the vast majority will not be swayed. They either will not change, or were already on your side.
Its not my responsibility to “solve” America’s 250 years of lies.
So have fun on your high horse as you highlight one cherry-picked recent primary result for one city in a country filled with 90,000 governments and countless elected positions.
In the vast majority of elections I did or could have voted in, I have looked after the fact and seen how my contribution, or lack of, Did. Not. Fucking. Matter.
Elections are almost never decided by a single vote, do you think your vote only matters if it’s the deciding vote? I’ve watched so many election votes counts and so often I see evil win because the vote total for the lesser evil just didn’t bother to vote that eletcion. I’ve also seen areas flip because enough people think their vote doesn’t matter because it’s a “safe seat” until it isn’t. Why be one of those people, just vote every time. There will be an election this November that almost no one will vote in. I’ve seen vote totals in the 100s and elections decided by less than 10 votes. It would be so easy to sway the results if just a handful more people voted.
Also most options I am presented with most of the time are uninspiring or downright evil.
Vote for the lesser evil otherwise you are more likely to get the greater evil.
Its not my responsibility to “solve” America’s 250 years of lies.
I’m not asking or expecting you to, I just want you to vote. Voting doesn’t solve things it’s just a tug of war and I want more people constantly tugging for the lesser evil.
So have fun on your high horse as you highlight one cherry-picked recent primary result for one city in a country filled with 90,000 governments and countless elected positions.
It’s to show you that if you turn out, you can affect elections. You aren’t the only person with your belief that voting doesn’t matter, there are tons of you. If you all get out and vote you’ll make a difference, but it starts with you.
Just for the sake of discussion, I think there’s a real argument to be made that reversing 25% is actually worse than doing nothing, because it makes people complacent. “Controlled opposition”, if you will.
I’m not saying that’s necessarily always the case, there are obviously tangible benefits to reducing some of the damage. But if it comes with allowing even more damage to be done later, because the changes are superficial and don’t address the ways in which the right extremists can manipulate the political system, then people might be fooled into thinking the system still works and the long run consequences would be even more severe than if they realised it doesn’t.
And if you fully realise that the political system doesn’t work then I don’t think it entirely makes sense to get on someone’s case about voting or not. Not that they shouldn’t, but there are much bigger issues.
The 25% nonsense is purely vibes based anyway. They don’t reverse anything. Even liberals recognize this with their ‘ratchet’ memes
Ah yeah that’s why not voting is gonna help. Doing less instead of more, good idea pal 👍
That’s not what I said, why bother replying if you didn’t read my comment?
That’s why I don’t even fucking vote anymore
That’s literally the first thing you said. Everything else you’ve said is just doomer shit or that you should leave but also you aren’t? So you are advocating for what exactly??? 🤔
I’m not that person, check the usernames.
My only point is I think there’s actually better stuff to focus on than whether people voted or not. I think it’s probably on the whole better to vote for the democrats than not vote. But I think there are good faith arguments against it and what really matters is more active ways of fighting fascism.
Oops that’s my bad, I’m sorry.
So, I agree with you that we need to do more, especially now, but that also includes voting too. Voting is bare minimum, if people can’t vote, I can’t see them doing much else.
If they can do other more impactful things without voting then I’m all for it, but voting itself does not take away from doing more.
Like for example, New Yorkers voting for Mamdani in this upcoming election is great, especially because it shows the nation that as a whole we can swing the total opposite direction.
Hoky shit, way to prove to that person (and the rest of us) that you really didn’t read all of their post… The last statement makes it obvious they’re espousing an entirely different angle.
So what I’m reading is, there’s two approaches, neither of which have solved fuck all, therefore everyone is wrong.
I’d rather live under fascism than to vote democrat
That’s you.
TIL you can commit a genocide without crossing the ‘fascism’ line
Implies my vote would have changed the outcome. But it wouldn’t have, and didn’t in some past cases. So no, you’re fucking dead wrong.
Honestly, you’re not giving enough credit to everything they do to make things worse. Between
-Clinton throwing money and resources at shitty ISPs and intellectual property ghouls in the 90s, -Obama putting legal niceties on Bush’s assassination program and making sure nobody got held accountable for those murders, -Obama keeping every NSA spying program intact, -Obama throwing taxpayer money at private health insurance companies, -Biden killing stimulus checks (because obviously nobody supports UBI), -Biden throwing taxpayer money at fossil fuel companies, -Biden throwing money at ICE, -Biden throwing money at cops of all sorts, -etc.,
they have done a ton to entrench bad things and undermine good things too.
You should probably still vote for them because there’s nothing on this list Republicans wouldn’t try to turbocharge, but if we don’t get rid of the awful Dems we have now and replace them with people who are actually willing to fight for us it’s actually just a choice between carnage quickly or carnage slowly
Yeah I’m not voting for a capitalist party.
Do you also refuse to use dollars, because they’re an evil capitalist construct?
You can hate a system and push for its improvement while still using what you can out of it.
Congratulation! You have high-roaded the environment into the dumpster! You are complicit in all the actions of the election winners, because you helped put them in office!
May all your moralizing keep you warm at night.
Cool story bud but that’s not how shit works. Go play your reactionary, blame-shifting games elsewhere.
Edit: lol please keep responding you braindead Muppets, it lets me know who to block.
So, I’m not assuming that you or the person I replied to are in the US specifically.
But in the context of the US, if you (generally) chose not to vote in the 2024 election then you are guilty of doing nothing to prevent the atrocities committed by the Trump administration, when you in fact had the opportunity to do something - which is to say that you are guilty of negligence.
If you encouraged others to not vote then you are complicit in the actions of the Trump administration, because you helped put them in power.
There is no “blame-shifting game” being played here, as there is no need to shift anything. The blame is direct, valid, and undeniable.
I’d really love to know which candidates these assholes primaried for or what revolutions they’ve started. I can get behind NOT WANTING to vote bc it feels bad most of the time but pretending their inaction is some moral victory is feeble minded.
How does that work with electors anyway? I’m under the impression that if you don’t live in a swing state your vote is basically a formality.
Your vote is a formality until it swings the state. What is a swing state changes every election. You never truly know until after you voted so vote every time.
Yes. And even in a swing state, it may take a million or more votes to swing it.
The few states with apportioned electors are the outlier.
Yeah your vote has a one in a million power best case scenario. But in non swing states it willl be a few orders of magnitude less powerful.
The problem is, there often more than a million people in that state all thinking the same thing, that their vote doesn’t matter. Well, they’ve self fulfilled by taking themselves out of the equation.
in the context of the US, if you (generally) chose not to vote in the 2024 election then you are guilty of doing nothing to prevent the atrocities committed by the Trump administration
This is really a false dichotomy. There are so many other ways to fight against the atrocities. Given how enthusiastically the democrats are cooperating with the fascist agenda, if you didn’t vote but you uploaded some info to one of those ice watch apps, or went and protested in LA, or shuffled papers to slow down their progress in your federal job, you probably already did more tangible good than someone who did the other way around.
Surely you don’t mean to imply that you can only do one or the other. That would be a false dichotomy, which, surely, you would understand.
Non-voters just love piling on more shit to fight against, i guess.
Not only did I not mean to imply that, I didn’t imply that. If you read that into my comment it’s 100% you.
Well that’s good. It would be silly to claim to fight against fascism and then not vote, amirite or amirite lol
What if they were in a state where their vote wouldn’t have even remotely changed the electoral vote outcome? It’s a strawman blame game you’re playing to feel smug about yourself in a generalized approach.
You don’t know anyone’s personal situation yet you have no qualm placing blame for a worldwide issue on a single individual.
Good for you. You shamed someone for not solving the worlds climate issues with a single fucking vote that may not have even made any difference at all.
Doing something is always better than doing nothing. You don’t get to cry if you did nothing, nobody should care about nothing, if you do nothing you are nothing. Stop fucking crying about it.
Or, and please hear me out, because you’re not going to like it.
The Republican party are directly responsible for putting Trump as the nominee.
The people who voted Republican are directly responsible.
The Democrat party are indirectly responsible by presenting such a poor-looking alternative. “We’re not Trump” is not enough.
The people who chose not to vote are the least responsible of all.
You’re directing your anger in the wrong direction. It’s the corruption within the system you need to be tearing down, not some poor sod on the internet.
What’s the plan - to scare them into voting the way you want in the next election? To argue with and win over the millions of extra voters the Democrats needed?
The problem isn’t with the people who saw that both sides were bad options - it’s with the Democrat party for being a bad option.
They just want internet points and the brief satisfaction of feeling smug by being a piece of shit to someone online.
I’m getting lots of downvotes. The Principal Skinner meme comes to mind.
Is the Democratic Party at fault?
No, the millions of people who didn’t want to vote for the Democratic Party are to blame.
It will never cease to amaze me when these people blame the voters, instead of blaming the people with the power, the platform, and the money for where we are today.
That is how it works. Don’t break an arm jerking yourself off, there, hero.
Its exactly how it works, whether you like it or not.
That is LITERALLY how it works in a two party system, ffs… for being smart enough to care about the environment, that is purely brainless on the politics…
When a parent tells a child ‘the way it works’ is that you only get to choose whether you want to brush your teeth before or after the last cartoon…
It’s only ‘the way it works’ in the context of the parent being in charge and deciding what they want to do unilaterally. It’s not actually how the world works.
The system needs to change for it to not be a bifurcation, for all practical purposes. The system of voting needs to be changed from First Past the Post to be something like Ranked Robin voting, STAR voting, or Score voting. All of those are my preferred alternatives, but Ranked Choice is still solid over First Past the Post as well.
A different voting system enables third parties to hold real power and to grow in influence.
You can see that isn’t a solution by the way it works in the UK
It’s not the solution, but one of many I would say and an important one at that.
Also, the UK uses First Past the Post for the House of Commons, mayoral elections in England, Police and Crime Commissioner elections and local councils.
They use Alternative Voting systems for some of their elections for like the chair of committees in the House of Commons and the Lord Speaker.
We’re talking about politics that has many laws and regulations written that are enforced. Not your mom trying to instill good hygene…
It’s not blame shifting. The blame sits directly on you, personally, and already had been.
No need to shift it at all.
What about capitalist lite™️?
I voted for the least capitalist party, but the most capitalist party won. Now the landlords are getting tax rebates and public services are running further into the ground.
A big chunk of apathetic people didn’t vote at all. By the time I retire (whatever that means) everything will be privatised.
Climate change please hurry up.
Maybe if everyone votes for the least capitalist party every time…
Maybe if everyone…
But they won’t. You know that, I know that, random raccoons in dumpsters know that.
Is that what you’ve observed? What we’ve seen is that not holding political parties accountable for their past actions leads to them ignoring everyone except their donors.
You don’t have a solution if your solution starts with “if everyone would just”. That’s a hope or a fantasy. People won’t just.
The solution starts with you, Janet.
You need to stop pushing the idea that it doesn’t matter who you vote for and the poisonous idea that all politicians are equally corrupt. There are some very dangerous groups who have brainwashed you into pushing the very attitude that lets them get away with slowly eroding democracy.
Climate change please hurry up.
Don’t want to get your own hands dirty actually making a change?
Too busy being a wage slave in an endless churn cycle.
We can have a little exploitation and suffering as a treat.
The fact that it’s only a little is the treat
Oh yeah like a little bit of cancer. How lucky.
Uh, yeah, exactly? A little bit of cancer can be fought and beaten. A lot of cancer is a death sentence.
Depends where the cancer is doesn’t it now?
Not really, no. Less cancer is always better than more cancer, no matter where it is.
You do know that everyone has a bit of cancer, right? Zero cancer just isn’t a thing that happens in an organism composed of trillions of cells. Likewise, zero exploitation and suffering just isn’t a thing that happens in a population composed of billions of people.
A little cancer is handled by immune reaction, a little more by medicine and surgery, a lot kills the organism. A little exploitation is handled by social reaction, a little more by political action, a lot kills the population.
No matter where the cancer is, less is better than more. We were in the treatable stage and you clowns insisted on skipping chemo.
According to every conversation I’ve ever had with a tankie that leaves you nobody to vote for, because EVERYONE is a capitalist.
CCP? Capitalist. Commie Russia? Capitalist. North Korea? Also capitalist.
Tankies on .ml seem to love the CCP as well as imperialist Russia and the USSR. Desalines (lemmy admin and .ml mod) actively bans people who disagree.
On what planet do tankies go around calling those countries capitalist? You’re dreaming mate.
Can’t find those comments now. But I’d happily invite you to go into any tankie instance and talk about Russia or the CCP being communist, especially where people are ranting about the evils of capitalism, and see what happens.
