What is this obsession some people have with ivermectin? They don’t believe in the moon landings but they think ivermectin has magic powers.
That sounds like natural selection is taking care of business.
We need more natural selection accelerants.
As long as they don’t try to force them onto the rest of us, or deny us treatments that actually work.
When did ivermectin become the cure all? COVID? Because this is beyond stupid.
I know it started with COVID, but to become a wonder drug…
In the beginning of Covid, a doctor in very rural India started treating Covid patients with ivermectin and they got better. So the doctor wrote a paper about it, and this paper was touted as proof that ivermectin was the cure for Covid, and nowadays everything.
Because schools don’t stress science literacy, what people didn’t notice in the paper was that WHY ivermectin helped these patients with their Covid infections is because they ALSO had multiple parasites because they were living in a very rural area and rarely sought medical help, and therefore their immune system was already overburdened dealing with the parasites. By treating the parasites with ivermectin, their immune systems were able to focus on Covid and actually fight through it. This was all explained in the paper, people just didn’t read past the title, clearly.
Ivermectin is prescribed for humans - specifically in the cases of parasites. We need to get back to teaching science literacy and critical thinking in schools.
We need to get back to teaching science literacy and critical thinking in schools.
The problem is… funding.
But most people have always been science illiterate. It’s just that now we’re (as a a whole) explicitly electing/listening to people who don’t value that literacy either.
It’s not funding directly, that’s just a symptom in the chain. Governments globally are intentionally stupifying their populations.
Just throwing money at schooling without addressing the rise in fascist authoritarianism will just end with generations being taught absolute nonsense (creationism, flat earth, etc.)
A whole slew of papers on ivermectin reg covid have been withdrawn or retracted
https://retractionwatch.com/2022/02/11/ivermectin-papers-slapped-with-expressions-of-concern/
https://www.the-scientist.com/frontiers-removes-controversial-ivermectin-paper-pre-publication-68505
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/93658
I am fully aware of the terrible things that have happened with ivermectin, the fraudulent clinical trials, the plagiarized data and papers, etc. The papers you linked to used patients that had already died, already been hospitalized, etc as data points, and various other forms of fraud and bad ethics. Does that negate the study that showed that pathway in which that medication is actually supposed to work if people had actually read it properly?
Edit to add: the paper I’m referring to didn’t claim ivermectin cured Covid. It claims ivermectin treated the already existing parasites, thus giving the immune system a better chance at fighting Covid. Whereas the papers being retracted fraudulently claimed a link between ivermectin and Covid using false data.
Thanks for the background - that’s fascinating. I never knew there was a sliver of reality behind the craziness
I swear, if somehow dog turds got a “fight the man” aura about them there’d be people claiming dog turds cure everything.
I know it started with COVID, but to become a wonder drug…
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3043740/
It garners it’s “wonder drug” status long before COVID. Just not for any reason related to COVID. Nor Cancer…
The same people who think they are smarter than any doctor and play doctor probably like to be their own lawyer too.
probably like to be their own lawyer too
And then all they do is spout sovereign-citizen bullshit.
Fair enough. And thank you for the article, it was informative!
Scam artists can sell it without a prescription as long as they’re calling it an animal product. It’s sold off the counter at any feed store. This is always the scam with these claims it’s ‘‘it cures cancer THEY just don’t want you to know about it!’’ Then they sell you a huge amount of it at a huge markup. This is everything from Monavie (an aqci berry juice), vitamin Mega doses, some completely insignificant ‘‘supplements’’ (I knew a guy selling ox bile capsules with almost no oil or extracts mixed in), then you have all manner of crystals, jade eggs, food processing leftovers like apricot pits, inert nonsense. And I’m not even really mad about it because it mostly ripps off rich idiots like Mel and Joe. These idiots take the same meds from their doctor as everyone else, then ALSO take the snake oil and are convinced the snake oil worked. Joe took a vit C mega dose when he was also taking meds from his doctor for Covid, and he’s SURE the Vit C did something. It’s like how if you have really worn out tires on a car that when you get new tires the mileage gets noticeably better, but then you think ‘‘tire store change tire = 20% lower mph’’ so you take your car back the next day and ask them to change the tires 4 more times because you think it will make your car have -100% gas consuption. All these meds CAN improve your immune system response by removing parasites if you have them, eliminate vit deficiencys if you have them, or remove other micro nutrient deficiencies, all work IF you have the issue to begin with, and studies show the improvement, but taking 1000x the dose of Vit C is just making your pee insanely vit rich, once the deficiency is resolved your body dumps the excess.
it mostly ripps off rich idiots like Mel and Joe
Not at all. People who can barley afford their medications see these as cheaper alternatives and will often use these instead.
THEY just don’t want you to know about it!’’
Tell them that THEY (whoever THEY are) are doing a horrible job of keeping it a secret because every tinfoil twit talks about it.
The vitamin c thing probably comes from Linus Pauling and his promotion of vitamin c megadoses.
But they’ll kick and scream and run away from the actual medical miracle with a medically tested and proven vaccine.
I think they’re just nostalgic for polio and widespread TB. Maybe cholera too.
The good old days of having kids and just knowing chances are stacked against most of them making it past toddler age.
Steve Jobs, an otherwise very intelligent and successful guy, got diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and instead of jumping right on treating it instead let it go and sought out all sorts of “natural” cures. Well it became terminal and he admitted that if he had treated it at the start it was in an early enough stage where he likely would’ve survived. There is a trait in some smart people to think they are experts on everything.
Sorry to the people dealing with the fires in LA area but I have to admit that I laughed hard when I heard Mel Gibson’s house burnt down during this interview. Absolutely hilarious to me.
I dunno how the hell I could tell from back in the day, watching movies he was in, that I couldn’t trust him. Just something about the way he acts. I can’t put my finger on it.
If you watch the Lethal Weapon movies, it’s not hard to spot.
I haven’t in decades, but maybe I’d understand if I did nowadays.
I’m not talking about the characters he plays though. Just the way he carries himself and how he looks at women and shit. Like, it’s just giving “brother, eww”. Can’t fully put my finger on it.
There were hints. Dude played Mad Max and the loose-cannon crazy cop in Lethal Weapon. Is it acting or maybe he was born with it?
And interactions with women, just… He seemed like a scoffer. Scoffing at women. You know? I don’t respect scoffers who scoff unnecessarily.
Did he ever win an Oscar? Did he leave it in his house? I bet he didn’t see that one coming.
He definitely did nazi that coming
obligatory fuck daily mail but this screen was posted to a discord I’m in and I laughed then, I’ll laugh again now
🎵Help the people the thing that happened happened toooooo 🎤
thoughts and prayers
This is some of the best news I’ve heard all day.
I guess he’ll get to blame the Jews for that one again.
Gibson hating Jew checking in for duty. You made my day.
A member of the Mazel Tov Cocktail Brigade reporting! Fuck Mel Gibson!
omfg I’m holding onto this one. Elderly mother going to love it. Ty!
A fellow Jewish friend of mine and I joked for years that it was going to be our punk band name.
I’m a goy married to a Palestinian, but I’ll be at your side in this fight. We can argue about the other stuff over drinks.
I know there are fires there, but it sure is a coincidence his house burns down while Mel has a airtight alibi being on Rogan’s show.
It’s like these people got trolled by 4chan and believed every single word they said.
Wait. Can we solve this by sending Joe and Mel a crystal growing guide?
Maybe convince them that they can get pure cat pee and mix that with bleach to create chloramine.
When inhaled, it can cure them of any respiratory illness. Permanently!
The government is hiding the fact that homemade bath salts and huffing spray paint kills most cancer patients.
I have some green food coloring in the pantry. Will that help with hemoroids?
Who knows what big pharma hides from us, gotta try it now!!
I can confirm it will not. All it will do is leak a bit and then you spend years trying to figure out which specific spice has a bit of food coloring on the bottom because every now and then you find a green circle on the counter.
Its like slightly worse than talking to marxists
How is it only slightly worse?
Well they’re both insufferable but i think only one is brought on by lead exposure
I wish I knew how to get these motherfuckers to care about anything as much as they care about ivermectin.
While they also claim to be skeptics of drug manufacturers and only want all-natural shit! It’s ridiculous!
See, it’s more natural since horses are natural and it’s used on them.
Pushing an agenda usually has that effect
We are all going to die
Yes but californians first
I thought the San Andreas fault would get em, but I was wrong.
No it’s not San Andrea’s fault, it’s Capitalism’s
This old earthquake’s gonna put me in the poorhouse.
That’s 2026
Vaccines turned me into a newt!
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I got better…
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There were so many calls to “Let Mel come back,” promising that his outbursts weren’t a real problem anymore and he was on the way to recovery. Nope. Don’t believe that shit. Second chances are dead now, thanks to cunts like him and these other fucks that have squandered the goodwill of the people. Gibson isn’t done doing harm. He will be a piece of shit until he dies, which can’t come soon enough. Fuck him and the entire tribe of fuckwads that spout the same and similar nonsense. They are a blight on humanity.
tribe of fuck wads
You realize you’re talking about 80 million people?
What’s your point? Antivaxxers are fuckwits who are trying to kill the innocent. They’d dispute that, but they don’t even understand how vaccines work, so what chance could they have of understanding cause and effect generally? And therefore, why should anyone give a shit what they have to say or what they think?
And what about that number makes them right?
Nothing. I simply phrased it wrong.
80million gullible dipshits can still qualify as a ‘tribe’.
80 million people are Mel Gibson fans? How would anyone quantify that. I’m confused what this number refers to.
80 million fuckwads voted for trump
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Wait is your issue with the word fuck wads or that amount of people being described as a tribe?
Amount of people. Too big to be a “tribe”
What’s the cutoff?
100 people.
Methylene Blue is also fish medicine. It treats ich.
Yes and it treats fungal infections in tree frogs. I’m not trying to say that these medicines work the way that Gibson is saying they do, but the whole “horse dewormer” talking point is dishonest as it makes it out like these medicines have only a single use. I doubt ivermectin treats covid or whatever. But anytime someone just throws out these minimizing points as if it’s impossible to use things in more than one way only makes me doubt the validity of their claims.
Having more than one use is irrelevant as to whether it is efficacious and safe in a specific other use.
I doubt ivermectin treats covid or whatever.
It doesn’t, any more than hitting your patella with a lug wrench treats covid.
I’m not defending idiots saying it cures cancer, but people dismissively calling ivermectin a “horse dewormer” when it’s approved for human use for all sorts of parasitic diseases is something that grinds my gears. It actually is something of a wonder drug, just not for what these idiots keep claiming.
Methylene blue is an approved drug too, (the first synthetic drug, coincidentally) it’s used for cyanide poisoning amongst other things. It’s also a MAOI, which makes it dangerous to take with a bunch of common medicines.
The horse dewormer thing iirc comes from the fact that ivermectin is a prescription drug, and doctors obviously wouldn’t prescribe it for covid. So people resorted to one of the very few ways you could still purchase it: as the horse dewormer variant.
Of course this version is much stronger and intended for horses, not humans. IIRC this led to a few hospitalisations and even deaths.
That’s why when people advocate you should take ivermectin, the counter claim is that they’re telling you to take horse dewormer, since that’s the only way to get it. It’s not out of a general ‘disrespect’ for ivermectin.
Are ivermectin’s feelings hurt when it’s disrespected? Or does it kind of get off on it? And why are all these people posting at great length to remind us all that it has some other use than the one we are talking about?
Presumably to avoid people from believing the opposite: that Ivermectin is a quack drug that doesn’t do anything, which might lead them to reject the drug if prescribed for some parasite or other ailment that is treated by ivermectin.
I’m pretty sure there were actually some doctors who were prescribing it
There’s a depressingly non-trivial number of doctors who aren’t above making a quick buck through quackery.
Yeah, and those (handful of) people were not taking horse dewormer.
Everyone else on ivermectin though…
Yes, and most were disciplined because they were describing medication that was not intended for nor effective at treating covid. Still, there were very, very few doctors who did so.
It actually is something of a wonder drug
And it worked wonders on COVID patients who actually had parasites in the “throw everything at the wall” period. Word got out some patients had improved because of it. It became a whole thing because doctors didn’t got the same results with ivermectin in others trials, probably because their patients didn’t have parasites, and ruled it out as the COVID cure. Arm chair viral experts refused to believe it and made it a conspiracy, and from there on became a cornerstone of anti vax and right wing politics. Of course right wing commentators now make it the cure for cancer.
People are literally buying it from Tractor Supply when doctors won’t prescribe it. That’s why people say horse dewormer. It is literally horse dewormer they are taking.
Sure, but still a false equivalence and a strawman at best. The few people who bought horse dewormer to get ivermectin doesn’t discredit those who “smartly” bought the correct human dose for ivermectin.
When most conversation is asynchronous, it usually turns out:
[Ivermectin Mentioned]
“That’s horse dewormer.”
[Person internally: No it’s not, it’s a real drug. Scrolls past your conversation thinking ‘this person doesn’t know what they’re talking about’]
Both people then go away having learned nothing.
Yes, but invermectin is also a very strong drug and even for its intended uses, it’s rarely recommended to take it more than twice in a year. During covid days, people were taking it weekly.
Weekly? I feel like people were taking it far more often than that. And massive doses.
My boss and the secretary were squeezing it into their applesauce every day.
The secretary was the same person who complained the doctors caught her trying to sneak it into her mom’s hospital room and was trying to squeeze some in her mouth while intubated and said she needed to get her mom out of there to got a real Jewish hospital that would let her do it and cure her mom.
Both sad and funny stupid.
My boss would end up packing his entire family and their stuff from their house that would fit into his F150 truck and flee Florida to Texas for “More Freedom™”
Was your boss dodging some creditors, by any chance?
Nope. Just didn’t like how Florida was handling COVID and the future of education for his kids if I remember correctly.
That’s what the blue is for
The fun fact about Methylene Blue that always is a hit with students is it also turns your pee a green/blue-green color.
yeah, but don’t give it to someone on antidepressants, the mixture can lead to serotonine syndrome, which is a medical emergency
And taking it along with various psychedelic drugs can extend the trip, often far beyond what any sane person would want. MAOIs inhibit one of the pathways the body uses to clear those drugs from the bloodstream. Instead, they hang around.
in this corner, the challenger, using a B vitamin complex.
And our returning champion, Methylene Blue!^DING!!^
I personally know/knew one of the main guys promoting Ivermectin in the news and on rogan. It was 100% a grift and he knew it. The point wasn’t the medicine but subverting public health efforts. That is why it is derided as horse dewormer.
Same with ketamine, horse tranquilizer. Also a powerful fast acting anti depressent among a other very positive qualities
Also it’ll burn the lining of your bladder and make you piss blood. And dissociatives including ket are nasty, dirty drugs that cause lots of mishaps when used in non-clinical settings.
This should be the top comment. Most conspiracy bullshit always has some grain of truth, so when you dismiss it with factually wrong information you just solidify the conspiracy mindset, since you “don’t get it”.
The best way to fight conspiracy theories is to engage them head on and make them prove the claim. They’ll try and miserably fail IE flat earth.
It’s because they buy the veterinary products as a way to circumvent existing reasonable limits for human use of ivermectin. It’s implicitly against doctors’ recommendations and prescriptions.
Alternatively, they’re buying ego-boosting pills/pastes that feed the fantasy that they’re special/chosen people who are in the know about “secrets hiding in plain sight” like a common antiparasitic drug having incredible curative properties.
Yes it led to the first TB treatments or something didn’t it? I completely can’t remember, does it also have a link to the development of antidepressants? Somebody help me out, my undergraduate degree was a long time ago now.
Edit: oh yeah, it’s a MAOI, you literally wrote that in your post.
Thank you for this. I hate all the caveating you have to do on the internet, but this taught me something I didn’t know and now I’m slightly less of an idiot :)
Propaganda and conspiracy usually work better when they have a bit of truth to them.
As if he only has one house
Don’t get too excited, there’s insurance for houses
I just hope insurance is one of the many things he doesn’t believe in
But it’s a huge inconvenience to him at best anyways
Exactly what I was thinking of. 🤣
That’s his god fucking him up
Sure, they were cured of cancer… until one day suddenly dropped dead, for no reason at all
Death is the ultimate cure for cancer.
Ever head of dim mak, buddy?
