Here’s a couple of good starting points for the line:

if you have to sell your time/labour for money, you’re not rich.

if you can take a day off and not need to tell anyone about it and not lose money because of it, you’re rich.

Nah… assistants were able to do this before LLMs

Because that other stuff used to work before the company fired all of QA and local devs. Then the bugs after that were used to justify LLMs to replace the “shitty coders” that outsourcing to a sweatshop usually entails. At least with the sweatshops there was some argument to be made that the people working there either had no other choice, or a slim chance they actually cared about their output and made it so at least it would do the bare minimum.

Now that corporate wants to justify their hype and investment in AI to attract the moneyed entities, they will go to any lengths to show it actually works. Even if the Emperor has no clothes on!

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Stackoverflow is for senior devs to clown on junior devs. It’s the inverse of helping juniors.

THAT is the message you took from all this? What you’re going to root for the smug ignorant asshole?

We used to be able to do multiplayer only without the need for official servers.

it’s a bit of a straw man from your side to act like the discussion is about multiplayer when we are discussing about single player campaign based RPGs or about multiplayer when the company deliberately shuts it down in favour of a new version that just milks players for more money; or about toasters that definitely don’t need internet connection to function.

that’s the company’s problem. They made it too complicated.

the results do keep improving of course. But it’s not some silver bullet. Yes, your enthusiasm is warranted… but you peddle it like the 2nd coming of christ which I don’t like encouraging.

that’s reality. Unless you’re too deluded to think it’s magic.

I kid you not, I took ML back in 2014 as a extra semester in my undergrad. The complaints then were the same as complaints now: too much power requirement, too many false positives. The latter of the two has evolved into hallucinations.

If normal people going “I made this!” is not convincing enough that it is easily identified then who is this going to replace? you still need the right expert right? all it creates is more work for experts to come and fix broken AI output.

“more breakthroughs” spoken like we get these once everyday like milk delivery.

also: Actively censorinv the mention of lemmy… at least on reddit as far as I am aware. Maybe even threads.

all well and good but there is one aspect which i disagree. Modern supply chains are an inefficient way to organize our economies. We are destroying flora and fauna at great speeds in the name of maintaining modern supply chains and convenience. We should not consume things which are not able to be produced sustainably and that means only having things that are produced locally.

World spanning supply chains are a symptom of greed, war-mongering, and anti-sustainability. they are world devouring activities.

when tech folk get milked by every other merchant and pay extra, while getting ripped off… we do feel like daily wage workers.

then you’re oddly commenting on a thread about striking… which is secondary to the important step of building organizations and support structures. Its hard to near impossible for people to strike who depend on that pay check to clear debt, pay rent, etc. Participating in regular organizing events is the right advice, and you got off on the wrong foot asking first for people to strike and only when asked questions you revealed people need to organize. without the proper support structures and alternative means of income in place, it is near impossible to convince people to strike. They need the strike because they don’t have financial security to stop obeying their boss. You’re ignoring the initial situation. That’s creating a perception of you being about only what you think needs to happen without considering others.

Edit: I did not mean YOU specifically asked people to strike first but you get the point. I am reacting to “we need to strike” as a sentence on its own.

maybe try to win over people instead of assuming we don’t know how tough it is out there as a blue collar worker? I didn’t say your life was a walk in the park. I said we as tech workers are still breaking our health for capitalist profits which we don’t see much of. Why do you think I chose an office job? My father was an assembly line worker making automotive starter motors. He came home and slept is all i remember from his working days. You think you should feel proud of someone going away from backbreaking work or do you think less of them because they decided to make their lives a little bit easier?

If you still get paid for a job not well done… it’s still hurts the company. Believe me, there has been an attack on tech workers by the industry. Firing people during record profits, using LLMs to upset the negotiating power of artists and software people alike, not giving inflation adjusted pay hikes, etc. You can even see the billionaire owned media grind their gears trying to come up with words to discredit workers doing their bare-minimum such as “quiet quitting”.

It shouldn’t be a conspiracy theory to claim that a few people control the reins of a lot of workers… in reality it’s a community of few thousand billionaires cooperating to oppress workers.

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Just because we don’t physically picket in front of our offices, does not mean we are not protesting. It’s just not visible in an outward manner.

And just because we all seem to be doing our own thing, doesn’t mean we aren’t organizing. We just consider organizing as just quietly aligning our wallets and behaviours without being overt about it. I am sure there are a lot of organization for software developers for people who do want to be loud about it too.

Labour is physical work but working your eyes and brain is also taxing. It’s just a different set of muscles/organs. Sitting at the desk all day is also taxing. it’s just not evident enough to people who see an AC and think that’s comfortable. It’s not healthy long term. Leads to all sorts of health issues.

Many of us tech workers joke that we will make our bag of money, retire, and go do farming. But you must understand why we joke like that.

For a lack of physical activity, desk workers suffer numerous health issues due to sitting all day/lack of movement. We are deprived of natural sunlight and wind in our badly lit offices staring at bright screens.

My point is that I said i felt isolated by blue collar workers not considering tech workers as the same class. You just went ahead and proved my point.

this is one of the reasons you don’t see class solidarity from tech workers. The blue collar bunch think we are somehow same as the capitalist class.

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I also think the definition of labourer is not as myopic as you make it out to be. If one sells their time/works for money then they are labourers. Only those who make their money/capital/resources work for them cannot be considered labourer. Even a manager is a labourer. I would exclude CEOs because they invest and are also board members in their buddies’ companies. Their employ is just a facade to maintain control and keep the power “within the family” so to speak.