It’s always lovely to be reminded that eugenics remains a popular idea so long as you don’t call it that.
Looks like it’s time to reinvent the Torment Nexus from famed science fiction novel “Don’t Invent The Torment Nexus”. Maybe it will go well this time!
I mean, this is a good idea for a big reason other than genes though, people who are currently addicted to meth shouldn’t be having kids, not from a gene perspective but as an unfit parent and as an unsafe pregnancy standpoint.
This is only because the word “eugenics” has been made a bad word because people assume that anything called “eugenics” must be similar to the horrible things the Nazis did. It’s the non-central fallacy – such things are eugenics only in the same way that Martin Luther king is technically a criminal (he did violate the law by protesting) or abortion is murder (a “human being” does “die”).
Polygenic scoring on embryos is legal and eminently doable if you’re wealthy enough to afford it; it’s a very effective way to eliminate the risk of debilitating genetic diseases like Down’s Syndrome, and can greatly reduce the risk of things like Alzheimer’s or some types of cancer. It also can improve the IQ of your child by up to ~8 points or so, which correlates (plausibly causally) with higher education and income in life. So basically, it’s an effective way to help make your child more privileged. Right now it’s only affordable by the very wealthy though, but perhaps in ten years it will be very cheap.
Notice though that it’s unrelated to race pseudoscience and murder, even though race pseudoscientists like to talk about genetics and IQ.
jsomae, do you want Gattaca ? Because that’s how you get Gattaca !
And next for sale we have this worker with very small hands, through multiple generation of human breeding we have developped this fine pure bred specimen perfectly adapted to reaching into tight spaces and machinery, its mind is docile and obedient and doesn’t get spooked easily by the loud sound of working high speed hydraulic presses. Very agile with tools and can read schematics but no artistic ability nor speech as a side effect of the genetic modification, on the plus side, they cannot form unions.
Imagine if we got genetic engineering back when everybody inherited their parent’s job. People named Smith would look like dwarves.
There are other hazards and i don’t trust this society to deal with any of them in healthy ways.
We already practice eugenics. Its a term that covers a lot of things. There’s a line between good eugenics and bad eugenics. I’d say secretly bputting birth control in drugs to control population is bad eugenics.
This isn’t an ethnic group or permanent, though. I think the bigger ethical issue is that birth control can have dangerous side effects.
I mean we do take kids off crackheads. Repeatedly in some cases.
Not eugenics though, if anything it’s a rather leftist stance that accepts that you can’t control what people put in their body, but tries to mitigates harm for those who have no choice.
Controlling which people are allowed to reproduce is eugenics.
Absolutely, and like most abhorrent evil the first step is such a positive idea you cant possibly object.
Birth control pills are eugenics?
no, because people choose to take them
if they’re forced, then yes, it’s eugenics
They are not forced to take it, they can just not take the meth and have children.
I would really like your opinion on children being “forced” to have MMR vaccination in order to attend pre-school? Do you think it’s immoral to take that bodily autonomy away in order to make it safer for all the rest of the children?
no, because MMR vaccines have been proven to be safe, and you are informed that your child must be vaccinated to go school; it’s not like the kid is vaccinated against their knowledge once they get there
birth control pills can have side effects, sometimes very detrimental, and in this hypothetical scenario they’re hidden in the meth, so you don’t even know it’s there
Once again, the hypothetical that it’s hidden, is only in your head, that sign doesn’t say “hide birth control in meth”, it’s also fucking unrealistic, if it were to happen the only way it happens if it’s legalized, controlled meth that has birth control added to it, or rather it could be that the users can get meth as long as they also take the birth control when they get the meth.
Also your worry about birthcontrol side effects with fucking meth users is goddamn laughable.
It’s like going back to ww2 and telling the soldiers not to smoke because it’s bad for their health, like the fucking bullets and explosives are way more detrimental to their health, don’t you think?
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Prescribed with any sort of trickery, skullduggery, or hooliganism? Yes.
Your interpretation presupposes malice and lack of transparency.
Almost anything can be made to look really bad with that attitude.
malice is irrelevant
They should put meth in birth control. It would make it easier to remember to take it on time and I could call them “mommy’s pep pills” and it would be charmingly ironic because I have no children because I’m good at taking my pills on time.
Damn, beat me to it by 7 min.
It’s because i’m brimming with pep.
Put both in the drinking water and also put a lime in a coconut
Counterpoint: Put meth in birth control. Maybe people will use it more often. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But isn’t too much birth control bad for your health?
Is that Valtteri Bottas ?
And a dash of chilli powder. I’m currently watching Breaking Bad for the first time.
The episode where the kid named finger beats Walt Jr to death while Walter just sits in his cuck chair and jacks it is crazy
True, but the valkyries were a bit over the top. What were they even doing with all those used tissues?
Dude I envy that so much because you get to do this best thing about the whole show once you’ve finished it.
Do not for any reason look this up before you’re done because of spoilers. But when you are done, search “breaking bad comics”
I… don’t know that heated, aerosolized birth control of any kind would… be an effective delivery mechanism…
But uh, honestly, his heart’s in the right place, a child born addicted to meth is an absolute tragedy, basically just completely fucked from Day 0.
Cutting meth with BC drugs is … probably way, way, waaaay safer than all the idiots currently cutting it with fentanyl, carfentanyl, the even stronger shit where an actual speck of sand’s worth csn be the difference between a high and a completely guaranteed OD.
Meth isn’t only smoked
I’ve spent a time homeless.
Did my best to stay as far away from all that as best as possible, but uh… nah, it is mainly smoked.
Sure, you can try some other method, you’re a lot more likely to OD, get an infection that never heals and goes gangrene… but you can try…
Unless your definition of ‘meth’ is so broad that it also includes like, taking adderol as prescribed… yeah, most people smoke meth.
Snorting and IV is just way, way too fucking dangerous given how anything could be cut with god knows how much of what.
Saw people find that out the hard way… still got PTSD from doing my best as basically the only homeless person at the shelter/encampment that knew how to do any real level of first aid.
Snorting would be the other I’ve generally seen, nobody wants to IV that shit though.
You could also eat it. No methhead does, but they could
I tried to dissuade a strung out guy from crushing it, mixing it with some liquid, and then shooting it up.
He died, despite my best attempts both pre and post OD.
am i reading too much into a shitpost or is this essentially saying “sterilize drug users”
I disagree with the eugenics involved here. but the real solution is free healthcare with accessible birth control.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the idea of eugenics is that someone controls who can re-produce. Using drugs is a personal choice, and there are already drugs that screws up your re-production system.
it is eugenicsy if people in power arbitrarily decide that all drug (only those that poor people use) users shouldn’t breed.
I do think that people in objectively shitty conditions should wait to get better before having children. but straight up sneaking birth control in their drugs? that’s eugenics,.give poor people access to free healthcare? that’s better.
But the post does not say “sneakily”. In fact, this could be a great anti-drug campaign, choose between having kids or drugs. Post also said meth, which makes me imply hard drugs only, not weed
Absolutely is. Im guessing only temporarily though. Pretty sure you can just stop taking your birth control pills and start ovulating properly again.
Seems like a pretty good idea as long as it doesn’t get slippery sloped. No babies while mething about.
Abstracting “meth users” to “drug users” is hell of a leap.
Because meth heads make such responsible parents and are usually in a great position to have children
“no no you see, in this case, eugenics is justified!”
i don’t care. it’s still wrong.
Eugenics would be doing this because you believe drug users have “inferior” genetics which shouldn’t be allowed to propagate through the population, but this clearly isn’t how the joke is meant. You get to have children once you’re off the meth, thank you.
Birth control, like a USB thumb drive full with Asmongold videos?
i’m ootl on him, whats his problem?
Dude literally has cockroaches crawling on him in his videos, you can tell a guy by the company he keeps.
He’s also not only in support of Israel, he fully embraces the genocide and says Palestinians deserve to be genocided
What happened to pedro pascal
Looks more like Louis CK
it would be better to put it in church
Imagine that… Birth control in all hard drugs.
This is the mistake, because some “hard drugs” are fine, they’re just hangups for idiots who got tragic amounts of power.
Idk, I don’t think anyone should make a baby on drugs. I’m a fan of drugs, I just don’t think people should make babies on them. Except maybe mushrooms.
they should also put it in alcohol and tobacco
Another big reason for drug legalizing 🎖️
Cheeky bastartd wants to save up some money
Or throw $5 into a shared horse who is prone to ulcers. Suddenly no issues getting abortion access.
Wut?
misoprostol is prescribed for medical abortions and for Ulcers in horses.
I think “shared horse” threw me off. It all makes sense now I suppose.
I think the joke is that the horse could kick the pregnant person and cause a miscarriage
