Time to found Epsteinology, a religion based around the release and realization of the Great Nefarious Files to bring about the Grand Awakening and destruction of the Orange Menace for the good of all Humanity.
Surely that goes both ways, and one side has a lot more evidence…
Everything is “evidence” when your side has “faith” and “control of the government”
I’m sure when atheists and satanists start proselytising there will be outrage - “we really meant Christians should allowed to bother their co-workers not you guys”
I bet you a coke this is to fuck with the FFRF and MRFF, two great orgs trying to keep religion out of our gov.
So this is where the new new atheist movement will start.
Also, remember epstein? whatever happened to that guy?
“Please talk about anything else but the epstein files”
I don’t think people really understand what’s comming. Everyone’s like “so now everyone can talk about their respective religion, haha”. But where I see this going is only the one right religion being acceptable in near future and everyone who’s making clever remarks being outlawed and prosecuted. The fact we’re not there yet makes the obvious progression to that none the less scary.
I don’t think you realize that christians aren’t as popular as they were before. There are a LOT of others and non religious. I don’t think christians are going to enjoy the process as much as they think.
True Christians find all this behavior disgusting. It is just capitalizing on a faith for profit and control while bringing harm to those that can’t pay the admission fee and/or have the wrong skin color.
What’s going on is religious terrorism/extremism, and taking advantage of the dumbs to enable it.
They will once the rule is unevenly applied in their favor. Which it will be.
You misunderstand, when they inevitably try that, and try to continue the “Christian nation” shit, there will be a backlash, and the violence will likely get out of control. I would not be at all surprised to see a concentrated effort to murder Christians by mobs. Christians have gone so long without facing ANY BACKLASH whatsoever for their continued depravity. It will happen and they will cry about how much of victims they are.
It’s giving Under His Eye, Blessed be the Fruit vibes tbh.
For anyone else who also doesn’t recognize this, it’s a greeting phrase from the TV show A Handmaid’s Tale.
According to Trump, “re-thinking” means “doubling down no matter what, especially if you’re wrong”.
oh OH I’ve seen this episode before!
i’m waiting for this to backfire on him as muslims openly pray in their workplace at the designated times
Ugh. Looking at the comment sections in posts about religious authoritarians, is about as insufferable as the comment sections in posts asking people to reduce their animal consumption.
Time to start turning my coworkers into atheists.
All jokes aside, this ends when we ban orginized religion.
Nobody should be publicly religious. Do it in your own home.
Keep it between you and god, where it belongs.
I haven’t worked in an office since before the pandemic, but back when I did I had super religious republican guy who sat to my left. On his left there was another lefty atheist like myself. 3 years later we had him voting for Biden and doubting his entire faith.
You broke through the religious echo chamber. Well done!
So your jokes weren’t aside. “I only want people to be publicly atheist and nothing else.”
Asking people to be sane and use some critical thinking in the face of proselytizing woo woo nonsense and rubbish is a reasonable thing to do.
Personally I wish we could all be publicly nothig. Not religious, not atheist. Let’s not talk about it all, at all.
Atheism is funny what else has a name for not believing in something.
Republican = not believing in science and/or data
Jokes aside, what a weirdly leading question that doesn’t actually lead anywhere— the only reason it is given a name is because the social dominance of theism necessitated the distinction.
There are also plenty of phrases regarding the rejection of something. Put “anti” at the front of plenty of philosophies or systems and boom, there you go.
Agnostic
Amoral
Apolitical
What’s your point?
I don’t think we should hire any Catholics because they believe eat humans and drinking their blood is legitimately okay. The people who believe God decides anything in day to day life should all be fired for not being able to accept scientific theory, which is the same scientific theory that drives the economy in which this company runs. I mean come on they are clearly braindead drones who believe anything they are told and have proven they can’t innovate anything new that could help us. Also all Muslims are terrorists, they’ve been proving it on the news every night for decades, we shouldn’t hire them either.
In most companies they would just get rid of you for talking about the news / politics. If you fire someone for preaching their religion the company can be sued for illegally terminating an employee do to their religious beliefs. It’s not a good idea.
Either you’re a troll or a religious zealot.
I don’t think companies should get rid of people for talking about news and politics in a respectful manner
I find you calling me a religious zealot to be hindering my right to tell you why you’re going to hell for the next 8 hours as is my given right now. In fact I think HR may find it pertinent to know you were calling people religious zealots for practicing their legal rights at work.
…it isn’t trolling, it was the discussion as to why this is a bad idea.
You called Muslims zealots, and Christians cannibals and stupid.
Smells like an Atheist religious zealot to me.
No I called Catholics cannibals, which they believe they are. The Eucharist being the actual transformation into the body and blood of Christ is one of the main differences between Catholics and some protestant denominations that split off. Methodists for instance, do not. Lutheran’s believe it is a physical transformation and not just a spiritual ceramony one either.
Thereby, they intentionally eat a person’s flesh and blood every Sunday, or rather they try to.
Also I never called Muslims Zealots, I called them terrorists, because that’s what I learned from the news. Which was obvious satire… Zealots are obsessive, not necessarily terrorists. A good example of zealots would be the Jesuits.
(Though one could argue Jesuits were church sanctioned terrorists… But that’s besides the point)
As an atheist, faith should be warmly invited, and traditions should be celebrated. You don’t have to have anything to do with it. You can assert yourself without assuming you know what people think and classifying their worship. And, on another note: these are human tales. You think books that took generations to compile don’t have a few nuggets of hard earned wisdom? Do you read Frankenstein and dismiss it because it’s ludicrous?
hard disagree. we should allow them, but we definitely shouldn’t be inviting and celebrating them. All religion does is undermine society and prop up the rich and powerful.
religion can get fucked.
You’re simply wrong. That is not all that religion does. You and I have both seen, in person, the power of faith. This hard-line science approach is toxic. As somebody who has been entrenched in theoretical physics for 15 years and is currently running my own relativistic model, I can tell you with confidence that these physicists love selling half-truths and relying on rote memorization. Let alone interference from intelligence agencies. The scientists they shove in your face are not the ones from the Manhatten Project. They are incrementalists trained to mind their calculations and suppress dissent. This is a simple, obvious fact of a post-mutual destruction age.
Sure you are. Religion is is just a way to control the masses and always has been.
I’m going to add, you’re confusing atheism with nihilism. You’re a disrespectful bubble boy who needs to develop your social skills. Other people are important to your brain development, and your empathy and ego are profoundly undeveloped. Want some science dogma? Philosophies of mind, like Buddhism are really just pointing toward smooth operation between body and mind. 3 parts to your brain: conscious, subconscious, and other people. We are social primates with mirror neurons and facial recognition. That input is important for brain development. That’s where you get ego and empathy. Work on it. Meditation is easy. Going outside and talking to people is easy.
I don’t give a shit. It’s important to the people I care about. You’re fucking bankrupt. Sucks for you
fuck off
Yeah, like that. Psychological warfare is a bitch, huh?
Manhatten Project
Are you from the Fringe parallel universe?
My pointing to the project was a demonstration of what we can do when we’re not in the middle of active suppression.
I was pointing to the spelling. Dude. Seriously.
My bad. Went over my head
I would agree with you if the Christians supporting Republicans weren’t literally trying to start the apocalypse.
Thank you. I identified the parts of the machine, from the military-industrial-intelligence complex to the Epstein honeypot operation. This confirms my final hypothesis: The motivation is theological. An elite death/apocalypse cult. I suspected it because of the nature of the honeypot operation. Could have been gambling or personal blackmail. No. The desecration of innocence was a ritual, and the island, a temple. Revealing the final inner circle. The high priests of a cult. You can find their rituals being portrayed as frat-like behavior.
Banning religion has been tried, It doesn’t work. Banning the awful things that religion makes people do is a better option.
Authoritarianism comes in many forms. Didn’t any of you read 1984? I mean, don’t waste your time - there’s way better materials to learn from, but Thought Police, anyone? Also, no idea why you’re getting downvoted. You atheists are dogmatic as fuck. I’m an atheist. Hey, let’s ban Islam. That’s how you sound.
There are multiple countries who have already banned orginized religion.
It is the next step of human society.
Examples? I’d like to see how it’s going.
North Korea is basically the only one I could find.
And they execute religious followers… Among other things.
china restricts evagelization and missionaries, but doesn’t outright ban religion.
China doesn’t ban organised religion. It even has a state church. China is paranoid in general, and an effect of that is they just like to keep religious followers where they can see them. In a way, literally, churches there are kind of like a compound (not a security compound) where they hold meetings and worship and house missionaries and stuff.
It doesn’t ban evangelisation or missionaries per say, but mainly foreigners. Part of this is a concern with foreign interference (which to be fair, the USAID was recently exposed for sending money to Christian organisations abroad so the American megachurches can gain influence there.)
It’s not ideal for Christians, but it’s nowhere near what @SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world was suggesting as “banning organised religion”.
If anything, China can be seen as preferring organised religion to unorganised religion
you added good context and nuance
They just replaced traditional religions with worshiping Glorious Leader.
True ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Learn to google things
So you’re full of shit, got it.
If you can’t learn to copy/paste into a sewrch engine then you are going to keep failing to know things for a long time.
I don’t fucking care enough to spoon feed you, you’re an adult act like it.
Hail Hydra :)
Do you have a minute to talk about our lord and savior Baphomet?
I hope the Satanic Temple can have some fun with this.
To date there is zero evidence for interaction between material nature and the spirit. And not for want of looking, as scientists and clergymen alike have been searching for centuries now, anomalous exceptions are extremely rare. Even the standard model of particle physics is transparent to any spiritual factor.
So why should we look at it? Because the human mind, to perceive and process sensory stimulus into situation awareness, to remember, to read and speak and understand facial expression, to compute, and to engage in reason — for all these capacities — it requires power.
While LLM generative systems power demand is calling for the re-commissioning of nuclear power plants, the human brain eats up (according to anatomists) about 20% of our caloric intake, when we are awake, at rest. Less when we’re at full run, more when we’re computing the integral of the acceleration of rocket thrust as fuel is spent, or landing an airliner by yoke.
But it means, if we have a soul, and that soul remembers its sins, can reason why such behaviors were sinful; if that soul can feel the fires of Hell, this processing takes energy, and an energy source. That means interaction between the physical and spirit, which means there should be something to detect. There should even be side channels.
No evidence of energy exchange, no side channel heat or sound, it strongly (not absolutely) implies there’s no spirit to detect. Or if there is, it might be so delicate that interference from natural phenomena (lightning strikes and CME emps come to mind) would shatter it.
The exception is the simulated-universe hypothesis: If the universe is a simulation in a computer program (or Azathoth’s dream; Ia! 🦑🌊🌌) then all our recorded observations are of simulated events, and souls can simply be simulated. But some of us object to the notion we’re an object in a program or a figment in a dream.
If there’s no detectable energy powering our souls, then they could be in the core of the sun and not feel a thing, nor have an eff to give. No regrets, no memories, no pain, no misery.
Most likely, by far, we are thinking meat.
Heck I who am awake today can be a different iteration than me, who was awake yesterday. The separation of time when cerebral cortex activity is shut down for maintenance (non REM sleep) may indicate separate beings, like an AGI powered down and rebooted, with its past memories front-loaded. We’re the same for day-to-day quotidian purposes, but our breaks in continuity raise philosophical questions.
And all this is before we get into the incomprehensible vastness of our galaxy, in which earth is barely a mote, or the universe featuring immense strings of galaxies, in which our Milky Way is a dot.
And all this is before we discuss the multiple great filters that are imminent before us, and as a species we are ill prepared to navigate. When we go extinct in the next century or too, it will be part of the Holicene dying, and none of our gods, myths and cultures will survive. All of our operas and symphonies, all of our paintings and sculpture, all of our cinematic thrillers and cozy mysteries and Ghibli animations and fine cuisine will evaporate into geographical layers, and the universe won’t even notice.
All this is to say, I’ve thought about this and confronted my personal insignificance. I’ve come to terms with mortality and the end of society and species. I get why people cling to notions that we are something special, even though all indications from nature imply we are not.
I say, bring it.
lukewarm take at best, and i’m superficially on the same side here.
the notion that a potential soul takes energy from a person is completely unqualified, and used as a basis for the rest of the argument. there are so many external energy sources in the universe even before we start talking about a “spiritual plane”.
weak.
I didn’t say the soul pulls energy from the person, but there has to be interaction between material and spirit (I don’t need spirit to be its own manifold in this model so I didn’t presume it)
If the soul doesn’t interact with the material then there’s no connection between the two and theyre not associated.
So we should be able to detect that interaction. It should have enough of a footprint that were able to notice something even if only side channel effects (which is how we discovered radiation and the heating properties of microwaves).
And we haven’t.
As I said, it doesn’t rule out spirit, but like many apologetic arguments, it takes a lot of weird presumptions to assert that spirit does exist, does interact with material, yet cannot be detected with the scientific means we have in the twenty first century. It can happen but then it requires stark changes in the models of mechanics we have (such as possibly the simulated-universe hypothesis). In this case our scopes are good enough to see the proverbial teapot. 🫖
But I appreciate that it’s difficult to comprehend what the issues are, and why this is a failing not merely of Christianity but any narrative that involves spirit or afterlife. It rules out most models of ghost and fairy phenomena as well.
And don’t worry. If you don’t get it today, we’ll have many (hypothetical, thankfully) days together in the break room so that I can assure you do.
why does there have to be interaction?
Based on his description, it doesn’t have to have an interaction. But, if it doesn’t interact with the material world at all, then there could be no connection or interaction at all between a body and a spirit. That means that you could not ever see or feel spirits in any capacity, and a physical human could not have a soul “attached” to it or associated with it in any way, even if the soul did exist.
If there were no interaction at all, it could never be detected and might as well not exist to us. If there were an interaction, you would expect to be able to detect evidence of it or at least one of its side-effects to indicate that something is there.
He is not saying that we’re so awesome that we surely would see something if it was there, mind you. He’s saying that what we can see already pretty well covers what is happening, so any other phenomena we want to say are happening are not detectable by any means yet devised and our world model works without the need for an outside unknown variable like spirits or souls to make the math add up.
Philosophically speaking, a phenomenon that is completely undetectable and does not influence or interact with anything in any way can be argued to be not happening, full stop. Things in this category fall into the realm of belief/faith, because that’s the only realm things that can’t be measured can exist in.
but that argument would never persuade anyone, it’s just intellectual autofellatio for people who are already on that side of the debate.
if your belief system incorporates souls or spirits, then the fact that they can’t be measured surely is even more proof for them existing outside the “real world”. just like how someone who believes in reincarnation wouldn’t believe that your good and bad deeds are somehow tallied chemically within your body, but kept track of in some incorporeal way, to be used after you’ve left the mortal coil.
all of these systems are based on coincidence and things that are inherently unknowable, like prayer or what happens to your conscience when you die. trying to logic someone out of a belief system isn’t worth the effort or even an interesting endeavour.
It didn’t seem at all like an argument to me or an attempt by the OP to persuade anyone of anything. I read it as a description of their thought process as to how they arrived at the conclusions they did in their own life.
While some might find that enlightening if open to it or threatening if they disagree, it didn’t strike me as an attempt to talk me into their (non)religion.
i’ve never seen someone write like that just for sharing.
