Rape. It was rape. Call it what it is. The longer we tiptoe around teachers having sex with kids, the longer the problem will exist. She raped a kid.
Rape. It was rape. Call it what it is. The longer we tiptoe around teachers having sex with kids, the longer the problem will exist. She raped a kid.
I don’t get this. Not even high school girls find high school boys attractive. How could a grown woman? And what’s with the language, the word is raped or sexually abused/assaulted, 16 year old here is assumed unable to consent to sex with any adult.
How stupid do you have to be to tell a coworker that you raped a kid. Hey, how was your weekend? Guess what I did that’s super illegal?
She looks 16
As someone who works IT at a school, this is far too common. I’ve ignored many a new teacher coming up to me with questions because I thought they were students, and I ignore students at all cost. This has happened in the intermediate buildings. You just can’t know how old anyone is anymore, so I assume everyone is underage until proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Since when is telling a coworker a crime /s
That’s an interesting way of saying statutory rape.
its kinda gross how far the media will go to not use the word rape… especially in this context
Trump’s a rapist but the media is afraid to say so. Suspected pedo, too.
99% of media/news is own’d by his friends. and his followers know what he has done, but they see it as a plus. Dont worry they can just pray to sky daddy for them to forgive them of their sins before they die so they too can go be with jesus or something stupid.
And piss enthusiast
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They’re not lawyers, though… they’re reporters.
They’re just reporting what the prosecutors accused the person of and if the prosecutor didn’t use the term “statutory rape” then the reporters probably shouldn’t either.
They don’t want to get the reporting wrong if they aren’t experts on the subject and even more so the don’t want to expose themselves to lawsuits if they do get the reporting wrong.
I really don’t think the reporters are trying to minimize the heinousness of the crime (at least not in this case). It looks more like they are just being conservative in what they state.
also; reporters dont write headlines
That’s true but the same issue applies to both the article (which doesn’t use the term “statutory rape”), and the editor (who likely doesn’t have any legal expertise).
How are so many people incapable of doing the literally most obvious and easy task of “do not fuck children” JFC.
Yeah, but unfortunately the people that are predisposed to fucking the children kind of seek the roles out. That or the amount of power it takes to poison some people is much lower than I thought, but I don’t want to consider that.
Always the same wording when the rapist is a woman…
Nicccceeeeee
I don’t know if we do that unironically anymore.
I’m not very surprised that a teacher raped a student. I AM surprised (and glad) that she was dumb enough to talk about it TO ANOTHER TEACHER.
Happy cake day
Might be a power thing, but what adult woman wants an inexperienced 16 year old?
One who wants a one sided deal that she snd she alone controls. There’s never a shortage or men who look for other women, but then these kind of people should adapt to an actual relationship.
I think that part of this narrative gets fucked because there is a fairly large segment of reporters that fantasized about getting with their cute youngish teacher back when they were in school.
This is not to say that this is ok. It isn’t. This is SA, CSA, really. And even if the teacher were teaching/seducing 18 year olds on a college campus it would still be a gross misuse of power.
A pedophile.
Like literally, by definition.
10 year age gap there, 26 yo woman vs 16 yo dude.
Flip the sexes around, that’s a pedophile, no argument at all.
Other than from people who really, really really feel its necesarry to ‘well actually you mean ephebophile’.
Grooming is kinda the whole modus operandi here, they get off on the power dynamic, in every way you can interperet ‘get off’ and ‘power dynamic’.
Considering he is above the age of consent it is obviously NOT pedophilia.
If she had been a neighbor it would be legal. The reason it isn’t is because she is a figure of authority. Which technically from a legal perspective makes it rape.
In 14 US states it is actually legal!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent
Are you really saying 14 states have legalized pedophilia?
Do you even remember how it is to be 16?My sister has been happily married to her husband who is 15 years older than her for 30+ years, are you saying my brother in law is a pedophile because of the age difference?
You are judgemental and pushing your norms on other people. And it’s disgusting you have so many upvotes!
I had decided to resign from this debate, but some of the comments here, like yours are just so far beyond what lawmakers have decided in by far the most countries it’s insane. Are you also considering LGBT immoral?
It’s wrong yes, but the term pedo should be reserved for when it’s justified, which it isn’t here.
My sister has been happily married to her husband who is 15 years older than her for 30+ years, are you saying my brother in law is a pedophile because of the age difference?
I’m not the one saying pedophilia here but relationships like this entirely depend on what age they got together I feel.
Are you really saying 14 states have legalized pedophilia?
Yes. I’m unsure how a State’s law would suddenly change human biology and make a 14 year old not a child.
WTF? And where is 14 state law? That’s a slippery slope argument, and is logically invalid.
I’m replying to a comment claiming several states have the age of consent set at 14. Your reply makes zero sense.
Maybe read again, 14 states have 16 year as the age of consent.
Where does it say 14 year? The part you quote CLEARLY says STATES!!
By human biology, a 14 year old is sexually mature and capable of becoming a parent. The terms “child, teen, adolescent, adult” are all social constructs. We as a society have drawn arbitrary lines and even changed them over time.
By human biology, a 14 year old is sexually mature and capable of becoming a parent
That’s incorrect in several different levels.
The terms “child, teen, adolescent, adult” are all social constructs
Partially.
We as a society have drawn arbitrary lines and even changed them over time.
The lines we draw and how we interact the world are curiously incapable of changing biological processes.
That’s incorrect in several different levels.
Could you elaborate? Throughout history people have successfully become parents at that age or even younger. Your flat denial is an extraordinary claim and you haven’t given any evidence to support it.
Could you elaborate?
Sure, but only if you’re actually interested in an honest discussion about the topic. If the goal is discussing US states or internal US politics and similar content, I’m out.
To begin with, sexual maturity is not synced across all populations nor individuals within a population. You’ll certainly be aware of girls starting menstruation at nine years old, yet their cousins at sixteen. There has been a trend towards early puberty, but our species has existed for long before that.
It’s also important to note that the start of menstruation and puberty does not mean the start of viable reproductive health. Sure, you can find many examples of girls becoming pregnant and having a child at 14… But if you look at mortality rates for these pregnancies, they’re higher than the expected average for adult pregnancies.
Even with all of that taken into account, why exactly are you constructing “capable of having a child” as the definition of “no longer a child”? Our development is extremely slow, it’s a key aspect of our species. We take a long time to mature in the womb, we take an absurdly long time to mature as early infants, and we take even more time to become fully grown adults. The fact that young girls might have the necessary apparatus to conceive a child does not imply in any way that they aren’t children themselves - there have been reports of nine year olds having a viable pregnancy, can you argue they are not children?
Your flat denial is an extraordinary claim
Good old “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” is a fantastic quote, but only when it’s applied correctly. No extraordinary claim has been made here.
Are you really saying 14 states have legalized pedophilia?
Yes, asterisk.
Asterisk:
Unless those laws specifically have something like… you as a 16 yo can consent to sex with someone 16, 17, 18, some cutoff age after which it goes back to not being ok, then yes.
(I’m fairly confident a good number of those state laws do include some kind of consideration of that)
The age differential matters.
Once it gets too much, its no longer two post-puberty kids exploring their sexuality, the difference in maturity and social status becomes manipulative and exploitative.
Do you even remember how it is to be 16?
Yes.
I was interested in girls my age, +/- one year.
Lost my virginity to a 17 yo girl, one grade above me, not my teacher, 10 years older.
When I was 26? When I am now 36?
Uh yeah, still interested in women roughly my age, though the age range has widened a bit as I get older… doesn’t get anywhere near 16 though, more like +/- 5 at 36, +/- 3 at 26.
My sister has been happily married to her husband who is 15 years older than her for 30+ years, are you saying my brother in law is a pedophile because of the age difference?
Assuming your sister, at age 16, married a 31 year old… uh yes absolutely that’s disgusting.
You are judgemental and pushing your norms on other people.
Pushing my norms, no.
I’m expressing my opinion and stances, not mandating everyone else follow them.
I find your sister and her husband’s relationship to have a disgusting origin, but I’m not going to advocate your brother in law be jailed.
That would be pushing my norms.
Judgemental? Oh sure, absolutely, guilty as charged.
And it’s disgusting you have so many upvotes!
Well now who’s judgemental?
Its the internet. People are allowed to have strong opinions.
I don’t agree with yours, you don’t agree with mine.
This is… arguably the entire point of an online discussion system?
Are you also considering LGBT immoral?
Absolutely not, no, frankly I have no clue how you could even think that would be a reasonable other position to expect me to hold…
I am queer lol, I’ve dated a trans woman, I’ve dated an ambi-gender person, bi women… I’ve gotten handsy and made out with bi and gay guys a few times… I seem to mostly go for a feminine presenting person, or a person with feminine aspects… but I’m considerably more flexible with that than your stereotypical straight man.
LGBT relationships are an entirely different thing than massive age gap relationships, I again have no clue how that seems like a reasonable assumption to jump to.
It woukd be weird and creepy if a 26 yo woman had a romantic or sexual relationship with a 16 yo girl, if a 26 yo man had a relationship with a 16 yo boy.
Yes
OK that’s really enough said.
I was interested in girls my age +/- one year
As are most at that age, except it would have to be +, because if you go minus 1 at 16, it’s illegal! But you do not present any real argument only your opinion.
But really that wasn’t what I meant at all, what I was referring to was the ability to decide for yourself at the age of 16. Which most countries find you can.
You just cherry picked what I said so that you could continue mischaracterize what I am saying, by continuing to say I am or support thing I am not and do not, characterize a personal anecdote and direct answer to a direct question as reasoning.
Like I explicitly gave you my reasoning and you just ignore it and say I have none.
Its especially insane that you say I was knee jerk reacting.
I took almost an hour to write that out, with intention.
It is also insane to say that my worldview is based on religious indoctrination.
To the contrary, it is largely based on a rejection of religious indoctrination.
Formalization of child marriage is one of the most horrible things that religions, or variants of them, of all kinds, all over the world, do.
But by the same logic, it can or could also be very exploitative of boys… its just that such societies that go for a child bride norm are almost always patriarchal, though i am sure many men also do not appreciate being forced into marriages.
It perpetuates a concept of women as property, not people, and normalizes and reinforces their subjugation and inherently inferior, 2nd class nature.
I struggle to comprehend the mental pretzels you must be brain bending in order to earnestly and genuinely believe all of the things you are saying, you are terrible at argumentative rhetoric and it is obvious you are being disingenuous.
You are so badly mischaracterizing what I said that I actually have to consider whether or not English is your first language, or perhaps your reading skills aren’t far beyond middle school.
Finally… yes, a larger age gap is generally much more acceptable… as the age of both partners increases.
You seem to not grasp the concept that a 25 yo and a 30 yo is pretty normal, a 40 yo and a 30 yo is… a bit weird but could work… a 35 yo and a 45 yo less weird, as they are both older…
…but a 17 yo and a 27 yo is not ok, a 20 yo and a 15 yo is not ok.
Enthusiasm can often beat experience.
still rape from a pedo, that things really mess with people’s brain.
hope he gets the help he needs
Insecurity. “Yep I’ve still got it!”
I was the 16 year old once, it’s a lot of things, but mostly I think it was the power trip for her.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6785975/
“Among participants aged 14 to 24 years, the percentage having had sex increased with age, from 12.5% among females and 13.1% among males at age 14 years to more than 75% at age 19 years for both sexes.”
I’m not sure how that link is relevant to the question?
He assumed the kid was inexperienced but the average age of sexual initiation in US is 17. Lot’s of boys are experienced at 16.
Ummmmm no…. Having had sex does not make one “experienced”
There are still whole generations of both men and women who do not know what a clitoris is……
Just having selfish sex during your teenage years I wouldn’t call experienced. You can say…sure I’ve had sex. Probably lasted 3-4 mins, no foreplay, back of the car. Sneaking around when your parents are sleeping. Yada yada.
So while sure. You can read a stat that says… oh they do have sex…but will this satisfy the avg woman? Majority of grown men in the middle 20s can’t satisfy women or ignore foreplay. Key areas it takes for a great sexual experience.
This is power and control. Not the desire for good sex. It’s even more embarrassing that she bragged about it to her friend. What adult woman would be impressed about you taking a 16 year old home?
Creepy af.
Exactly. She’s 26 so asking “what adult woman wants an inexperienced 16 year old” is like asking “why isn’t she only dating older guys”. This kid might have similar experience to guys closer to her age. That being said it obviously wasn’t about quality of sex.
Thank you, this was my thought as well. I’m a woman, and it took until my mid-20s (and having an experience with another woman) for me to truly learn what sex is all about. Now in my 30s, I’d say most people I date are “experienced” at sex.
A teenager messing around with another teenager has a tiny bit of “experience,” but to think that’s the same as the sexual experience as adult has is naive. Teenagers still think porn is accurate, whereas sexually experienced adults know what to actually do.
Easier to train.
ask that to any pedo
For people that are downvoting, this entire bit in South Park was to make fun of the double standard whenever a man commits statutory rape vs when a woman does it
I’m aware. I still downvoted because it’s not a useful contribution.
But also it’s @SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world
More downvotes than most in their content
That being said, they usually say the funny thing. I guess they should make a /c of their comments named something like “what the devil inside thinks”.
Blows my mind every time it’s some young, attractive woman.
It’s what gets the clicks. A good portion of the population probably have headmistress fantasies and, while tutting this vile behavior, are like ‘Damn, where was she when I was 15?’
She’ll probably just use the Mel Gibson defense.
Idk man…if she’s truly an alcoholic…she may be the victim here.
Where were all these sexed up teachers when I was in school?
😱 How does this still happen in this day and age?
Because pedophilia still exists.
And a 16 year old boy will say yes to pretty much anything sexual, hence why this woman
exploited a minornah, not sugar coating. This woman used a position of authority to rape a child.Also. The teacher profession is all but dead in America. A lot of people that would be bad for students get weeded out through years of education and training. Most school districts are luck if they have more than 50% of their teachers educated/trained. The rest are individuals who could pass a background check. Poor areas, are under 30%. Just because someone can pass a background check doesn’t mean they should be around minors. But schools have no other option.
Heh, I applied for a substitute position a little while ago.
Called back. I’m a MMJ patient, and only have a high school diploma, and no teaching skills or experience.
They were fine with that. Obviously, don’t bring drugs on campus, but if its just residual in my system its fine with them.
My degree is in physical education K-12. When I graduate I didn’t go right into education. When I told one of my professors she cried full on tears. That’s how bad it is.
I returned to education ~3 years. It’s scary. And I’m in a “wealthy” state. Our school’s are hanging on by a thread even with record low enrollments due to people not having children. (the only schools that were thriving were the ones with massive migrant populations.)
I spent a year working at an elementary school, in an IT capacity.
I was at a fairly wealthy district, but Texas “Robin Hood Laws” distributed a lot of their taxable wealth to poorer districts and such.
That being said, all the kids that went there for the most part had rich parents.
So the stay at home moms always organized fund raisers. Bake sales, that kinda crap.
And the rich kids, or any parents who stopped in, bought treats.
I mean, it worked… but not without a lot of disposable income at home.
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Abusing a position of trust is a bigger deal than it seems. Being in a position of power means there was an unspoken element of coercion in the relationship.
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Why the fuck do you know any of this?
Tons of reasons to research this. For example: can I get person x arrested for what they did to me/my sibling
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In this case, age of consent is mostly irrelevant. A 26 year old fucking a 16 year old is bad, legality is unimportant. The fact that she’s been charged, means that it’s probably not legal. How about we just say “wow, that bitch raped a child”, instead of being pedantic.
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Legality doesn’t matter to me. This is morally wrong. The age difference is wrong. The abuse of trust and authority is wrong. And linking a wikipedia page to where this would and wouldn’t be legally okay, is a little weird. A 30 year old woman fucking her 50 year old boss is wrong in a similar way, but not necessarily illegal.
Your European school’s curriculum went over every single US state’s age of consent?
Considering I linked the info from wikipedia, this must be the stupidest comment in this thread.
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This ain’t his first Internet argument, maybe? That’s why I know it, anyway.
Knock it off with your bad-faith insinuations.
It’s weird to immediately be jumping to the defense of the teacher. This should not be hard to understand. A 26 year old woman raped a 16 year old. It’s very simple. That’s wrong, and in my humble opinion, worthy of punishment.
Hot teacher, now stop asking.
Because it’s the fact that she’s the teacher. A position of authority. It’s why a cop cannot have sex with someone who they pulled over, or why a psychiatrist cannot date their client.
Although I note the article does not say he was her student.
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At least you got to say that pedofilia and rape are “unprofessional”.
I hope you’re never near minors unsupervised.
Illegal for Teachers with students regardless
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Which 14?? Wtf
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Um… “Abused a position of trust” ≠ rape? You might wanna check the definition, friend. 😅😶
Having sex with a child is rape. Statutory rape, specifically.
“Abused a position of trust” is language used in the school I worked at, so I used their wording.
Its a description, not a legal term, as far as I’m aware.
I’m genuinely unsure if you’re deliberately underlining my point above…
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All due respect, but you seem to be confusing your awareness of the definition with the actual thing. Please do confirm for yourself what the details of this term are. 🙇🏼♂️✊🏼
Next, are you going to give us a lengthy explanation of the difference between “pedophile” and “ephebophile”?
