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So they own a home too? More than i can say of ‘libtards’
Hey, ain’t nothing wrong with a trailer home. My dad just bought one for his first home he’s owned in his 60s.
Yeah this poster sounds classist
Aw man, they own a home too? 😅
No, that’s his grandma’s house.
Damn. Worse than a nematode.
Its either that or this and nothing in between
(This is a picture of one of elon musk’s houses)
Wow a massive ass McMansion with no thought placed into the architecture. That tracks
Seriously, dude could have an actual castle but he has this lame ass thing
That’s because he’s a humble man /s
I don’t like to make fun of where people live, because everyone has different circumstances. But it is severely mind-boggling that people who do live in rural, less economically-inclined areas think that a narcissistic, city-slicking conman has their best interests in mind. This person may remain in that mobile home forever while Trump and his cadre of billionaires continue to siphon them for every penny, and that’s depressing.
Yes, but they both share fond memories of racism and other forms of bigotry.
Before Trump went off on Obama and immigrants he was the East Coast Liberal™ these people loathed. I could maybe see younger folks being fooled, but FFS, did no one know what Trump was like in the 80s and 90s?! He was America’s laughing stock. The man released Trump, The Board Game and the entire country laughed our ass off.
Bloom Country, easily the finest snapshot of 80s America, ended in 1989 with Trump buying out the comic strip and firing all the characters, so unseriousness and ludicrous all we could do was laugh.
Anyway, if anyone wants to know what America was really like in the 80s, Bloom Country is readily available online. And here we are with the air traffic controllers, AGAIN!
Depressing but not undeserved. These people have some less than altruistic reasons for electing the con man.
*Some of these people. Many have been outright deceived, and many others (people living in trailers, I mean) are and have long been fully opposed to all of this lunacy.
Not some. All. We all got to live through his first term and the failed insurrection with the Jan 6ers. The fact they voted for him a third time is proof they didn’t care about any of that.
This assumes that we’re all receiving the same information about what all’s going on, which is very definitely not the case. Literally watch 5 minutes of fox news and compare what you hear to the actual events they’re contorting. The difference is basically immediate and painfully obvious. That is only one of a countless many arms in what is one of the most wide-spread and thoroughly controlled propaganda campaigns in history.
We all lived through the first term, but some devious steps were taken to ensure that different groups were receiving very different coverage. This is getting harder for them to do now that the consequences of their lies are starting to outwiegh the lies themselves, but many of these people were and are still being fed bold-faced lies right along with the same kind of propaganda that literal cults deploy. The sort of mind ganes that are used in order to prevent their victims from ever individually coming to the conclusion that something is very fucking wrong. They are running near-every inch of an information ecosystem that traps their victims by making them completely repellent to the sane, effectively isolating most of them from the people that could otherwise help them see reason.
Many of them understand whats actually happening and are going along because of the hate within them. But many others are being manipulated through well tested and well documented means, which are being deployed in a novel way (via these high control/high volume digital ecosystems) and on a scale that we have not yet had enough time to learn how to properly combat.
They are basically breaking people down, isolating them, and driving them into a useful simulacrum of insanity, if not outright madness. It is a mistake to forget the shades of grey and the humanity that underlines every decision made, both among the perpetrators and the victims alike. If the goal is to do what’s right rather than punish anyone and everyone who wasn’t perfect to your standard, then these distinctions really and truly matter. Some of them need rehabilitation, and others need the full brunt of what these rotten choices should earn them. They’re just not a monolith.
A lot of the propaganda these isolated people are fed dehumanizes those whom Trump and the Republican party wish to target. These “victims” of propaganda shouldn’t be sympathized with or even pitied because they each have a conscience that they deliberately silenced in order to feel as part of something greater than themselves. Even if these people are somehow rehabilitated this time it’s very obvious they’ll fall back to the same patterns that got us into this mess to begin with.
The only effective way to break the cycle is to destroy the propaganda machine and force a change in the very culture and identity they’re a part of. You’re right these people aren’t a monolith, but you see some recurring themes like nationalism, Christianity, pride in ignorance, and toxic individualism that conservatives just know how to leverage to drive them into a frenzy.
A lot of the propaganda they’re fed does certainly dehumanize people, but they are still not all receiving the same information. That is what some are receptive to. Others would never have it if they knew that was the truth, which is why they have so many other avenues for selling this shit in every color and shade you can imagine. Gaia tv, prager u, countless woo-woo “woahhh dude” influencers, tradwife influences, ‘moderates’ who jsut like playing devils advocate but will hear nothing of this racism, good sir! And just on and on and on. Everybody is not tapped into the same internet.
There are people that simply never hear the racist stuff because that is the whole point of the operation; to obscure reality in order to be sure that as few people are acting on good information as is possible. They are plugged into the kinds of propagandic feeds that best suit their values, and pushed further and further down that tract. They get pavlov’d into knee-jerk reactions to the people pointing out the racism (among other things) that they are so artfully removed from, which turns into this self-feeding loop, pulling them further and further from reality.
And thats not even getting into what they did with the spanish speaking community; literally giving them incorrect translations of speeches and policies that make it all sound safe, standard, and sane. Not everyone has access to the same information as you, and not everyone is information-competent enough to even recognize what makes that difference, especially not after being taught to learn fear of the idea of challenging their beliefs.
I think you are severely underestimating the breadth and long-con of this project, as well as what kinds of people have been brought in and how. Though I do agree with you on how to solve the problem. Fine details may vary, but it’s clearly time to try something different.
I’ve spent a lot of time in similar living situations and I agree. What I see most of about this intersection is fear. I had neighbors that didn’t trust Democrats and almost certainly voted for Trump, but they sure as hell didn’t trust him either.
In their case, I believe they were looking for an out. The previous Democratic president didn’t help them at all, in their view. And Trump probably wouldn’t, either. I mean, really. What an absolute doorknob. But from their perspective, maybe getting things off the rails might get them in a better position overall. Low chance of that ever happening, but the only one they had.
Again, this my impression of their perspective from living nextdoor to them for years.
Classist
“No you don’t get it, they’re poor so I get to mock them.”
Edit for my devoted fan who’s now mass downvoting my account: rent free.
But being poor is how you know they’re wrong! 😑
If one wanted a generous interpretation, it could be pointing out the irony in a poor person advocating for the interests of the rich that keep people like themselves in that position.
So Democrats too right? Considering they’re generally laser focused on the urban professional class and maintaining existing market dynamics with a big push on things like student loan forgiveness that would give zero assistance to workers while largely hanging them out to dry whenever labor disputes pop up. There’s not a party that represents these folks interests so they default to identity politics. Byzantine chariot race politics at least had patronage that meant supporters were getting some sort of gain.
Let’s ignore that low income people are more likely to vote for Democrats, or the underlying classism inherent in using the size and value of someone’s home when it comes to determining if their arguments are worth listening to. Somewhere there’s a guy like that, so let’s just make him the symbol of all of them!
Minus the political signs, this looked pretty similar to my childhood home. Regardless of what OP intended, how do you think it feels for people who actually did grow up in an old trailer to see stuff like this?
Im not saying the stereotype of “conservative people living in trailer park style homes” isn’t classist, I’m suggesting that actively spreading it might not have been the objective of the OP, and that them doing so might have been more a case of not thinking through all the implications of what they were saying than an actual antipathy for people who live in cheap housing. I do realize its problematic even if so, I’ve spent a portion of my childhood in a place like that myself, I just felt a bit uneasy seeing some people here appear to assume the worse interpretation was the intended one when it still seemed ambiguous to me which it was, and that discomfort made me a bit defensive about it.
This may be a naivety of mine, but I struggle to communicate myself a lot and as a result I tend to look for the most benign intent that could lead to a given statement and assume that one until proven otherwise, because whenever I end up being the person phrasing something poorly or in a way that causes offense, it feels a lot easier to handle and address when people calmly point out what is wrong with it and why than when people jump on it as proof of a character flaw, and it’s very easy to project one’s own struggles and modes of thinking onto other people one runs across, I guess. I’m probably overthinking it all.
That’s fair, sorry if my earlier reply was too flippant. It’s just very frustrating to see people (not you specifically, but others in the thread) defending it as not classist at all, or classism that’s okay because it’s aimed at shitty people. I think a lot of the comments I see on the fediverse aren’t doing it intentionally, but seem to have the mentality that people who are living or have lived in poverty aren’t also here and participating.
I think the meme is classist because it directs anger toward the people living in the pictured low-income housing. People who have the least control over the forces shaping their lives. Meanwhile, the billionaire class, who paid a hefty and blood-soaked price to keep them uneducated and inundated with right-wing propaganda, escape scrutiny.
Don’t get me wrong, the people in that picture probably suck. They’re more of a symptom tho.
I believe that is the entire point of the meme that Lemmy lefties missed
That’s absolutely the point
That’s how I read it, too.
That’s what I was saying, exactly. I was not trying to be classist, though I can absolutely see how that person jumped directly to that conclusion.
I got fucking blasted here for saying a meme calling Charlie Kirk wife a slut sexist.
The idea that being a “slut” is a character flaw is seriously backwards prudish moralistic shit that’s so long in the tooth that it’s the kind of shit you would hear in 50s.
Her husband is dead, so if she’s fucking other people, there isn’t even the ethical and moral consideration of by doing so she might (unless they were open with each other about it) be betraying a person she had commited to be faithful to, because that person is no more and is not going to get hurt by it.
So the whole thing is some fucked up regressive crap for moralist types with the social age of a child, even before one looks into the sexism of such last century moralism being mainly applied to women and seldom to men.
Amazing how people justify sexism and other bigotry because they dont like someone.
Kirk’s wife sucks, call her out for actions not being a woman.
I havent seen any evidence of her being a slut, i havent looked either though. Even if she is, slut is such a prudish and childish insult. Anyone who uses it unironically is a bad person, doesnt matter the context imo.
Now as for the fact that she was dating charlie kirk? Shes an absolute piece of shit. I dont want to say she deserved to have her husband killed in front of her, her kids 100% did not. But at least for her she had the choice of not dating someone people would want to kill and instead she chose to ally herself with nazis, so pardon me as i dont shed a tear for her.
Oh I guess we shouldn’t be mean to people who are actively destroying our way of life through their ignorance. Oh ok so sorry.
You can be mean, not a dick to the poor who are most vulnerable in life.
I’m not anti-trailer. I lived in more than one, including a trailer park.
I’m very anti-dogs being neglected, with chains around their necks, tied to trees with 6 foot leashes, etc.
I can’t do much about it maybe, but I can definitely close you in my car door rather than giving you an Uber ride, asshole.
Talkin bout, “you got tds man”
These people are so dumb its infuriating. Because there is no, I mean zero reasoning with them. Its like talking to a wall. "Abortion should be illegal " idk man, if your sister had aborted you then we wouldn’t be in this mess
Some Reddit mods live in no better places. 🙃
I’d rather live there than the apartment I am in. 🤷♂️
At least I could see nature from my bedroom window and not just a wall.
Yeah, I’m renting 1/4th of a basement in a shitty housing development. I’d kill for that guys trailer.
I’d live in a shack in the woods before an apartment. What an awful way to spend one’s only chance at life.
Really depends on your stage in life, your mindset, and what drives you. I live in a fairly rural area, within a 1 mile radius of my house there are probably less than 100 people living. That being said i have fairly limited access to natural nature, the forests here are artificial and it definitely shows in their subpar natural beauty. But thats besides the point im trying to make.
Im planning on getting an apartment on the outskirts of a nearby city because i have an emotional need for socialization that is not being fulfilled here. My neighbors are all right wingers and i generally dont judge people for living in trailers but GOD DAMN do my neighbors make it difficult. It seems every day there is what i can only deacribe at trailer trash drama. Between my elderly drunk and methed up neighbors getting into fistfights, to my neighbors openly asking if ive seen their escaped cock fighting roosters, to three of my neighbors seperately being arrested for child molestation, to letting their dogs maul anything that moves so their dogs are contantly being put down, to flying a dont tread on me flag, two trump flags, a thin blue line flag, and another flag i dont recognise with trump face on it, all while complaining that the democrats are taking their foodstamps so they can put it into the undeserving welfare system. I have come to the conclusion that i simply do not want to interact, even in passing, with any of my neighbors, but i need to socialize with someone. My goal is to move to a city where it is socially unacceptable to behave that way for fear of someone beating your ass for being a nazi or child or animal abuse. That, and midnight walks massively help my life long depression, and I romantisize the neon lights and street lights of the big city. Id LOVE to walk down the local river path with all the lights.
Let’s not besmirch the venerable shack in the woods.
You could also see nature from the ceiling, floors, and inside as they scurry out of your way to the breakfast nook.
The house of the guy calling you a libtard. (In Moscow)
I’m not sure I understand. Are you saying that conservatives in Russia are homeless?
I think they’re saying “It’s not an American conservative posing, it’s actually a Russian troll”
Ahhhhhh, that makes sense. Thanks for helping me out! I am dumb sometimes!
That house looks sweet! Cool tree right there, plenty of nature, even a ramp. My appartment is less ada compliant than that.
Also this post is some middle class bullshit.
It’s about double my square footage on the inside
