If one wanted a generous interpretation, it could be pointing out the irony in a poor person advocating for the interests of the rich that keep people like themselves in that position.
So Democrats too right? Considering they’re generally laser focused on the urban professional class and maintaining existing market dynamics with a big push on things like student loan forgiveness that would give zero assistance to workers while largely hanging them out to dry whenever labor disputes pop up. There’s not a party that represents these folks interests so they default to identity politics. Byzantine chariot race politics at least had patronage that meant supporters were getting some sort of gain.
Let’s ignore that low income people are more likely to vote for Democrats, or the underlying classism inherent in using the size and value of someone’s home when it comes to determining if their arguments are worth listening to. Somewhere there’s a guy like that, so let’s just make him the symbol of all of them!
Minus the political signs, this looked pretty similar to my childhood home. Regardless of what OP intended, how do you think it feels for people who actually did grow up in an old trailer to see stuff like this?
Im not saying the stereotype of “conservative people living in trailer park style homes” isn’t classist, I’m suggesting that actively spreading it might not have been the objective of the OP, and that them doing so might have been more a case of not thinking through all the implications of what they were saying than an actual antipathy for people who live in cheap housing. I do realize its problematic even if so, I’ve spent a portion of my childhood in a place like that myself, I just felt a bit uneasy seeing some people here appear to assume the worse interpretation was the intended one when it still seemed ambiguous to me which it was, and that discomfort made me a bit defensive about it.
This may be a naivety of mine, but I struggle to communicate myself a lot and as a result I tend to look for the most benign intent that could lead to a given statement and assume that one until proven otherwise, because whenever I end up being the person phrasing something poorly or in a way that causes offense, it feels a lot easier to handle and address when people calmly point out what is wrong with it and why than when people jump on it as proof of a character flaw, and it’s very easy to project one’s own struggles and modes of thinking onto other people one runs across, I guess. I’m probably overthinking it all.
That’s fair, sorry if my earlier reply was too flippant. It’s just very frustrating to see people (not you specifically, but others in the thread) defending it as not classist at all, or classism that’s okay because it’s aimed at shitty people. I think a lot of the comments I see on the fediverse aren’t doing it intentionally, but seem to have the mentality that people who are living or have lived in poverty aren’t also here and participating.
I think the meme is classist because it directs anger toward the people living in the pictured low-income housing. People who have the least control over the forces shaping their lives. Meanwhile, the billionaire class, who paid a hefty and blood-soaked price to keep them uneducated and inundated with right-wing propaganda, escape scrutiny.
Don’t get me wrong, the people in that picture probably suck. They’re more of a symptom tho.
The idea that being a “slut” is a character flaw is seriously backwards prudish moralistic shit that’s so long in the tooth that it’s the kind of shit you would hear in 50s.
Her husband is dead, so if she’s fucking other people, there isn’t even the ethical and moral consideration of by doing so she might (unless they were open with each other about it) be betraying a person she had commited to be faithful to, because that person is no more and is not going to get hurt by it.
So the whole thing is some fucked up regressive crap for moralist types with the social age of a child, even before one looks into the sexism of such last century moralism being mainly applied to women and seldom to men.
I havent seen any evidence of her being a slut, i havent looked either though. Even if she is, slut is such a prudish and childish insult. Anyone who uses it unironically is a bad person, doesnt matter the context imo.
Now as for the fact that she was dating charlie kirk? Shes an absolute piece of shit. I dont want to say she deserved to have her husband killed in front of her, her kids 100% did not. But at least for her she had the choice of not dating someone people would want to kill and instead she chose to ally herself with nazis, so pardon me as i dont shed a tear for her.
Classist
“No you don’t get it, they’re poor so I get to mock them.”
Edit for my devoted fan who’s now mass downvoting my account: rent free.
But being poor is how you know they’re wrong! 😑
If one wanted a generous interpretation, it could be pointing out the irony in a poor person advocating for the interests of the rich that keep people like themselves in that position.
So Democrats too right? Considering they’re generally laser focused on the urban professional class and maintaining existing market dynamics with a big push on things like student loan forgiveness that would give zero assistance to workers while largely hanging them out to dry whenever labor disputes pop up. There’s not a party that represents these folks interests so they default to identity politics. Byzantine chariot race politics at least had patronage that meant supporters were getting some sort of gain.
Let’s ignore that low income people are more likely to vote for Democrats, or the underlying classism inherent in using the size and value of someone’s home when it comes to determining if their arguments are worth listening to. Somewhere there’s a guy like that, so let’s just make him the symbol of all of them!
Minus the political signs, this looked pretty similar to my childhood home. Regardless of what OP intended, how do you think it feels for people who actually did grow up in an old trailer to see stuff like this?
Im not saying the stereotype of “conservative people living in trailer park style homes” isn’t classist, I’m suggesting that actively spreading it might not have been the objective of the OP, and that them doing so might have been more a case of not thinking through all the implications of what they were saying than an actual antipathy for people who live in cheap housing. I do realize its problematic even if so, I’ve spent a portion of my childhood in a place like that myself, I just felt a bit uneasy seeing some people here appear to assume the worse interpretation was the intended one when it still seemed ambiguous to me which it was, and that discomfort made me a bit defensive about it.
This may be a naivety of mine, but I struggle to communicate myself a lot and as a result I tend to look for the most benign intent that could lead to a given statement and assume that one until proven otherwise, because whenever I end up being the person phrasing something poorly or in a way that causes offense, it feels a lot easier to handle and address when people calmly point out what is wrong with it and why than when people jump on it as proof of a character flaw, and it’s very easy to project one’s own struggles and modes of thinking onto other people one runs across, I guess. I’m probably overthinking it all.
That’s fair, sorry if my earlier reply was too flippant. It’s just very frustrating to see people (not you specifically, but others in the thread) defending it as not classist at all, or classism that’s okay because it’s aimed at shitty people. I think a lot of the comments I see on the fediverse aren’t doing it intentionally, but seem to have the mentality that people who are living or have lived in poverty aren’t also here and participating.
I think the meme is classist because it directs anger toward the people living in the pictured low-income housing. People who have the least control over the forces shaping their lives. Meanwhile, the billionaire class, who paid a hefty and blood-soaked price to keep them uneducated and inundated with right-wing propaganda, escape scrutiny.
Don’t get me wrong, the people in that picture probably suck. They’re more of a symptom tho.
I believe that is the entire point of the meme that Lemmy lefties missed
That’s absolutely the point
That’s how I read it, too.
That’s what I was saying, exactly. I was not trying to be classist, though I can absolutely see how that person jumped directly to that conclusion.
Fry strikes again
I got fucking blasted here for saying a meme calling Charlie Kirk wife a slut sexist.
The idea that being a “slut” is a character flaw is seriously backwards prudish moralistic shit that’s so long in the tooth that it’s the kind of shit you would hear in 50s.
Her husband is dead, so if she’s fucking other people, there isn’t even the ethical and moral consideration of by doing so she might (unless they were open with each other about it) be betraying a person she had commited to be faithful to, because that person is no more and is not going to get hurt by it.
So the whole thing is some fucked up regressive crap for moralist types with the social age of a child, even before one looks into the sexism of such last century moralism being mainly applied to women and seldom to men.
Amazing how people justify sexism and other bigotry because they dont like someone.
Kirk’s wife sucks, call her out for actions not being a woman.
Yeah it’s deeply hypocritical that some of the same people that claim to be progressive immediately revert to body shaming and sexism.
I havent seen any evidence of her being a slut, i havent looked either though. Even if she is, slut is such a prudish and childish insult. Anyone who uses it unironically is a bad person, doesnt matter the context imo.
Now as for the fact that she was dating charlie kirk? Shes an absolute piece of shit. I dont want to say she deserved to have her husband killed in front of her, her kids 100% did not. But at least for her she had the choice of not dating someone people would want to kill and instead she chose to ally herself with nazis, so pardon me as i dont shed a tear for her.
Oh I guess we shouldn’t be mean to people who are actively destroying our way of life through their ignorance. Oh ok so sorry.
You can be mean, not a dick to the poor who are most vulnerable in life.