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This comment section is full of fedposting.
Fr, people need to stop treating the internet as equivalent to IRL discussions. Like literally every comment is “shoot your local cop”, I mean like, I’m not saying that I disagree with the sentiment, but like… seriously lol? How is suicide by cop gonna change anything?
Just as with computers, your brain also needs a “firewall”.
Real talk. People like to pretend they are the boogie man the right is trying to create. But outside of the superhero frog, most of us are just regular people.
What is fedposting?
People trying to get you to do or say something which could earn you a visit from the police. Open calls for violence or to break the law in some specific manner. E.g. “shoot your local ICE agent”.
I’m not going to say that violence is never justified, but anyone loudly advocating it in leftist spaces online should be viewed with a very suspect eye. The online is very real and your posts here very much can be connected to your identity.
Interesting! And good to know. Thanks for the info.
There are two very obvious peices that show the government side is lieing… 1 - a spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security, said … 2 - Then the agent “holstered” his fire arm
The main requirement to be a spokesperson for anything in this administration is to lie. And ICE has orders to escalate, not descalate.
Shot from behind by federal agents, seems the key missing element of that title.
they’re hardly federal agents
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If you treat people as a group, they tend to lock together as a group. The police are already getting pissed off with ICE, in many places. That crack needs to be pryed open. Indifferent, pissed off police/FBI etc is a lot better than them standing in lockstep with ICE.
Yah we can do more good leveraging the fact that most of these ICE agents are illegitimate and just poorly trained ticks riding on Trump’s political narratives and not real federal agents.
We can make the cops hate them and support the narrative that these ICE goons are trying to usurp local authority.
Then when the tide turns and ICE is pushed back into the sea or wherever the fuck they came from, we can go back to hating on the cops. We gotta take the stairs one step at a time.
It’s worth noting, that the police issue in America is very solvable. Most of the Western world’s police use a “police by consent” default. America’s “police by overwhelming force” is the outlier. It leads to a lot of your issues over there. While they are far from perfect, the UK police are far better than America police.
It’s worth looking for the opportunity to reform the police in the process, not just hate on them (ineffectively).
+1 to pushing ICE into the sea, and reclaiming our own.
Jimenez pulled up to three immigration officers, two from Border Patrol and another form ICE and “engaged in a verbal altercation,” it states.
It doesn’t even get any better if you just accept their version of what happened. Six agents vs one guy in a “verbal altercation”, and they think it’s ok to just start blasting?
I don’t understand how this happened? Surely voting for the lesser of two evils will eventually somehow stop evil right?
Which lesser evil would you be referring to?
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What a shithole.
Yep. But the people don’t learn. So I don’t give a shit unless there is civil unrest against that government.
Fuck off
Oh if I would live there, that’d be exactly what I’d do, genius. 🤣
That’s what they want. If ICE gets violently repelled in any substantial way tiny d will declare martial law and suspend voting. Otherwise midterms will decimate their control of Congress.
The People are doing an amazing job at resisting in ways that are both highly effective and don’t give him an excuse to tear down the constitution, and they should be supported not condemned given the hand they were dealt.
Otherwise midterms will decimate their control of Congress.
you are overestimating the reasoning skills and common sense of the average american voter. we’ll be lucky to flip even one chamber by a razor-thin margin.
I guess reducing by ten percent is a start.
It would be naive to expect any more given how gerrymandered and entrenched red states are. 10% would flip both the House and Senate and effectively render the last 2 years of this presidency moot.
Senate aint getting flipped. Of the seats up for election, only Maine’s could realistically be flipped, all the other seats are either already solid blue or solid red. I doubt 3 red states would simultaneously go blue.
They’re going to do that anyways…
At which point our number and power will be at its strongest. Some people voted for his ass and are still on the fence.
100%. He’ll just make something up. Already is.
Weakens his narrative and gives states more of a casus bellum to ignore or even toss out feds should the time come. Woo end of empire politics ain’t it FUN. Why couldn’t we have gone out like the Hittites at least then I could stab strange people coming from the sea.
Should the time come.
I’m not angry at you but at this sentiment. When is the fucking time if not now?
An American trying to explain how to properly dismantle a government. Another great example of “Oh we should play by the rules because then everything is going to be okay”. No. It wont. Get violent or they will kill you, one by one.
A non American bitching that other people aren’t throwing their lives away while you sit behind a keyboard under no danger whatsoever
You have no idea where I am coming from. And you do have no clue how we, as a society, show the government who is in charge at the end of the day. The only ones sitting behind keyboards are Muricans and definitely not Europeans or Asians, most likely because 40.3% of all people are too fat to even protest properly.
Enjoy the fascist regime.
I’m flabbergasted at this comment in between my bites of lard.
This is really some russia level shit.
This is some Republic卐n-level shit.
How is that symbol even allowed lmaoo 💀 💀 🐸
it has more than one meaning
Canada is fucked. Surrounded by Russia and the United States of Russia.
Russia doesn’t even gun down its citizens in the streets, this is some 3rd world shit.
Even in Russia, people are not being shot on the streets: detained, beaten up, etc - yes (I’m not saying this is good of course), but not shot. The US quickly took the lead in some of the dystopian stuff.
russia, putin banned gun ownership, he doesnt want a violent uprising of his own. its only matter of time before trump does it. also most of trumps administration are hiding like rats on military bases.
Most civilized countries ban or severely limit gun ownership.
As does Russia.
The US has always been the outlier in that regard.right, here in Canada, you don’t have the right to bear arms, but you can own a firearm for certain purposes. one of them is not killing others or for self-defense. You also need to take a course and have a psych eval. I know for one, i would fail because i have BPD.
It’s not Putin who banned something, guns were historically harder to own in Russia, and USSR before.
And gun ownership doesn’t really help in the US right now. People sit with their guns being quiet.
edit: The art is to be resolute without weapons, strategic, smart, large-scale and unpredictable. A national strike would work better yeah but is tricky ig lots of americans need their salary too but you can set up a strike fund for those people perhaps? idk and supporting organizations that protect independent branches of power, independent judges, iguess, protectdemocracy.org for example ig
Identifying agents and their families is the silver bullet, which is why it’s seen as such an offense to the government. Currently, agents are able to threaten people and their families without similar threat, and they’re confident in their numbers in a fight. If they faced the same fears they impose, they would chill out very quickly.
stop telling people to start shooting. You think its as simple as one person killing a ICE agent and they pack it up and go home. it will take more than that to push back the issues going on
At least you saved someone then…
hmm…fair point.
but NO no u are right be forceful without weapons best … to help more people in the end than just the one idk
As if the detainee is going to get away clean forever after their arresting officer gets blasted. PuddingHelmet is a wildly accurate username.
Most gun owners don’t carry them around 24/7 and probably .0001% of gun owners are actively looking for shoot outs with federal agents at any given time 🤣. They are not arresting gun owners currently do that’s why the lack of resistance id guess.
A cop without a warrant is just an armed trespasser.
Well for one reason they haven’t come to my home yet. They seem to be going after mostly defenseless people with overwhelming force. I’m assuming they’re fucking cowards and they’re not putting themselves in danger intentionally.
Public accountability and punishment for the culprit is much more effective than just start shooting them, of course. But for decades, some Americans kept claiming they needed guns to defend themselves against a tyrannical government, they’ve been waving “don’t tread on me” flags, and here’s the government treading on people, and there’s not a peep from the gun lobby.
Its what MAGA wants. If ICE starts getting shot then Trump will send in the guard.
Its a waiting game. Maybe we can have another election, maybe it could be fair, maybe the dems will take two branches and start impeaching and/or prosecuting. Not likely … the dems probably sold out.
We need new leadership from the Dems for me to believe they’re going to deliver accountability after how they handled Jan 6th. But yeah, we can’t play into MAGA’s hands, I’d rather see an election than none.
I’m so fucking tired of being fearful of what MAGA wants.
They already have what they want!
Why wont MAGA learn to assimilate in to the broader culture? They come to us demanding we do things their way instead of learning our way. They want our taxes, attention, and opportunities but what do they give back? They dont create our art, movies, music, shows, books, poems, or science. They dont generate positive revenue in their states. They dont know our constitution or our laws. They wont respect our flag or our troops active or retired. They refuse to pay taxes. They spread disease on purpose. They have the lowest education rates. They have the highest violent crime rates including gun deaths and domestic abuse. They have higher divorce rates and the poverty rate is unreal.
It’s a religion being MAGA.
They sort of tried to blend in, camouflage, they rolled along with it, and in fits and starts they threw tantrums about not being allowed to say the (bigoted) things on their mind without being made to feel wrong or looked down on for it.
Then along came Trump and so many of these muted bullies, racists, misogynists, and homophones saw that someone could sa6 those things publicly and not only not be shouted down, but also gain support.
They rallied behind the big bully, because even though he hits them too and takes their lunch money, he makes them feel accepted for their bigotry instead of chastened. Not to mention, they now have a big public banner for their different tribalistic hatreds, a large group that can differ in individual views but generally doesn’t cast aspersions over belittling and dehumanizing people. The club doesn’t all have to agree on anything except that voicing your hateful feelings is acceptable or even admirable.
All of this is stuff that’s been stirring for so long, and of course Trump is just the person who managed to light the fire without getting buried for it. Yet here he is, wielding the power to enrich himself and his cohort, protect himself from punishment for his many past and present crimes, and have people hang off his every word on the planet’s biggest stage. What more could a greedy, narcissistic rapist want?
The funny thing about having what you want … you decide you want more.
Noone ever stops because they have what they want.
It just sucks being torn between
• If I do nothing, MAYBE others will resolve all this somehow, or maybe not and it just keeps gets worse for the foreseeable future.
• If I do something, maybe some good comes of it in the short- or long-term. Probably I will suffer excessive consequences, and most likely the propaganda machine uses it to fan the flames and accellerate the power grabs even more.
Either way could bear positive results. Either way could lead to things getting worse.
But certainly important elemens are not giving up, offering support where and to whom you can, standing up when it counts, and fighting (nonviolently) when you can.
I understand that opinions differ on if and when violent action should be used, and I’m not wise enough to offer any endorsement on that topic. I’m also not really here for any response to the effect of “obviously violence is the only moral option when lives and communities are threatened” or any other conversation about where to draw that line in the sand.
This sums up exactly how most of us feel.
There is a vocal minority that wants to run out into the streets and start throwing bricks through windows, but that is not what is needed right now.
Sadly, we need to let MAGA simmer because they are cooking themselves. The US cannot exist like this, people HATE this country right now and the billionaires can’t afford that as they could get demoted to millionaires.
So buy a rifle, find a place to practice with it, and practice every day you can afford to. The best thing right now is to start preparing. Is your pantry stocked for at least a month? Is your water supply dependent on electricity? Right now is time to be building community networks, designating roles and leadership, defining goals and abilities, and practicing marksmanship. If you think you’re going to be able to carry on a guerilla insurgency and also lay down suppressive fire, you’ll be hearing your rifle click by the end of the week. Learn to make quick, accurate shots, and leaving the area immediately. Practice pop up shots, limit scope time, learn to scope with both eyes open. I can’t help but assume so many of the pudding heads screaming for Americans to start killing officers have very little or zero firearms experience and absolutely no tactical or combat experience outside of COD
Yeah true better to be forceful without weapons, strategic, organized, smart, large-scale and unpredictable.
I mean I get it and I see your point - if you’re going to get arrested/shot/killed anyways might as well go down guns blazing and hopefully taking a nazi with you.
The reality is americans don’t want to do that. none are actually willing to die for their country.
ICE executes a US citizen with a shot in the back of the head in front of children.
Here, I fixed the headline for you.
they successfully executed the guy in franklin park illinois for the crime of driving away.
Per the article:
unnecessarily shot in the back of his right shoulder where a bullet remains lodged
He is still alive
ICE attempts to murder a US citizen with a shot in the back of the head in front of children.
Nailed it?
That’s ok then.
Does the truth only matter to you if it’s aligned in all respects with the narrative?
Be better.
Do you think it’s ok he got shot? Thats the problem, that ICE thought shooting someone, anyone, was ok. It’s not.
Let’s recap. The comment you replied to said that it would be false to say “ICE executes a US citizen by shooting him in the back of the head” because ICE didn’t kill him, and he wasn’t shot in the back of the head.
You replied (sarcastically) with “That’s OK then,” implying that you thought it was necessary to tell someone who stated correctly that ICE didn’t kill a man that what ICE did wasn’t OK. To be clear, that person didn’t say, “this is fine because the guy is still alive”, they were just correcting someone who falsely said ICE killed someone.
So why do you think literally anyone here thinks it is OK that someone got shot? Nobody has said that it’s OK. Just to spell it out:
you have read someone making a correct point that ICE didn’t kill someone as “ICE shot someone, but it’s OK.”
To me, that says one thing: you think that it is not important to speak the truth about ICE if that truth is that they didn’t behave in the worst possible way. Any truth that doesn’t align with the narrative of “ICE bad” is not important truth to you, right? The only statements that should be written are those which criticise ICE.
Does that sound about right? If so, then I’ll just say again: you need to be better than that. If not, then what possible reason do you have for asking “do you think it’s OK he got shot” when no-one said that it is OK?
I’m hugely disappointed that you feel the need to make the distinction, it’s incredibly USAian.
My point, all along, is that ICE shouldn’t be behaving how they are, at all, it’s fucked.
But that was not the point. The point was did someone get executed or shot in the back? No-one is saying either story is ok but only one is true.
I’m disappointed that you feel the need to make the distinction.
The other one is a lie. I am disappointed in you at this point.
Literally no one said anything to that effect. Learn to read.
He’s alive
Totally, this headline is not nearly sensationalist and misleading enough for my taste.
I’m going to go back to r/politics if this doesn’t change!
Guess we did not vote hard enough for the Democrats and voters did not vote left enough oh and those Republicans
As the ol’ Democrat motto goes
-We will fix it later because progress not perfection and one step at time
Every day I thank the Voyager dev for user tags…
I’ve had them tagged as “bOTh SiDEs r bAd” for months now, and it has virtually always held true. Nearly every single time I see a post from them, it is some sort of “but but but Democrats caused this. We should be blaming them instead of the people who actually voted for it” type of rhetoric.lol twinsies
I’m on mobile using the Voyager app. How do I do this? Thanks!
Long press on their username, then “Edit Tag”. Once the tag is made, that Edit screen will have a little comment button. Pressing it will take you to the comment you used to tag them. Handy for when you can’t remember why someone is tagged a certain way.
Woah! Thanks. Been using Voyager for a while and never really read the notes on tagging or even thought to long press on a user name.
I appreciate this educational moment!
Couldn’t get it to work at first but figured it out. In Voyager app: Settings -> User Tags (toggle on).
After that I do what you said. You rock.
This. Thank you for asking, I would never have found this setting if you didn’t.
Holy shit brilliant, thank you
I’ll bet $20 they voted for Jill Stein to “save Gaza.”
😂
Yeah, but you say that like this would still be happening if Trump hadn’t won.
Yeah people like this think a dumpster fire and a forest fire are equally bad.
I’m gonna say it unequivocally…
I’d much rather live under neolibs than Nazis.
Neolibs are the reason we have Nazis running the government though. They’ve help turn this nation into a festering pile of shit to the point that people are turning to a convicted felon and pedophile conman who tells them what they want to hear in order to fix things.
If neolibs had ever actually done anything beneficial, these people wouldn’t be so desperate to believe a shuckster who gives them easy scapegoats to blame all their problems on. These ‘leaders’ don’t give a shit about you or I any more than your standard Republican politician. They have a (D) next to their name because it gives them a better chance at winning elections in certain areas, which gives them money, power, and influence. That’s all that 98% of politicians care about.
If we ever want to get out of this mess, people need to stop clinging to the very same team sport, tribalistic bullshit politics that brought us to this very.
This isn’t a popular truth.
If people are still mentally framing this as a conflict between Democrats and Republicans they’re failing to diagnose the problem.
People weren’t being shot by unaccountable, masked secret police when the neolibs were in charge.
If you want to make the argument that the only thing that could light a fire under people’s butts to change things was allowing this to happen, fine. I disagree, but that’s at least logically consistent.
But neither then nor now have I seen any concerted effort to develop a real alternative.
This is like when the idiot superintendent of my school system kept trying to get people to vote for a levy for a new high school, and the citizens kept telling him “No. The high school we have now is fine.”
So finally the superintendent just had the high school demolished. Now they HAD to pass the levy to get a new high school built, right?
Nope. They still didn’t pass it and now everything is EXTRA fucked.
It’s gonna be a LOT harder to come up with a real alternative to the two party system while we’re under jack-booted one party rule.
And for all their corporate nonsense, the corporate dems at least kept a social safety net functioning so people could have SOME semblance of life, albeit INCREDIBLY insufficient.
Under Trump, good luck.
here in canada, the neolibs pissed off the far right so much they decided to park their 18-wheeelers in front of parliament and threatened to overthrow the government, oh and also had armed men at the US-Canada border at coutts.
I mean if there was real tyranny i would of supported them but checks notes wearing a mask and taking a vaccine is government control because fuck grandma.
of course not when democrats are in charge hidden much better because we have to maintain the illusion that we have two choices because some people cannot accept the reality that both sides are not our side
Telling the truth is a dangerous business.
problem with dumpster fires is that left unattended in the hopes that eventually it will put itself out in baby steps will lead to forest fires
A dumpster fire is self contained in a metal box and most likely surrounded by a non flammable environment… I’m so tired.
No, dumpster fires do not always stay contained; they are dangerous, unpredictable, and can spread to nearby buildings, vehicles, or vegetation. They can produce heavy flames and high heat that threaten structures, and if the dumpster contains hazardous materials, the fire can escalate and spread quickly
Wow. I can’t imagine being this invested in a comment chain from some rando on the internet.
Agreed, we should always light the forst directly on fire. That’s exactly the correct way of thinking.
You don’t have only those two choices. Be brave and support non-fire even if a majority isn’t yet. Be part of the solution and don’t believe the lies that better options aren’t real.
Schumer whipped Senate democrats to vote for cloture on the bill that gave ICE this funding because he was afraid of a shutdown months ago. He is still minority leader.
Schumer whipped them for a funding bill, but not the Big bill that increased ICE’s funding by a lot. That one passed with a bare majority and Republican defections. I think it they’d stayed strong them the Republicans might have needed to use their one bare majority bill on that and they could have resisted the later bill.
But he’s just such a colossal failure and should be removed as leader and then from office next year. Democrats in leadership just fail and fail and never get removed.
Look, if you’re scooping turds out of a punch bowl, and the only tool you have is a net that might be made of turds, then you can either keep scooping or you can throw away the whole bowl of punch. You don’t just give up and drink the punch because it’s all the same. One is a turd in the punchbowl. The other is a mechanism for removing the turds, but it’s also probably a turd. Doing something is still doing something, even if the punch is still shit.
you can throw away the whole bowl of punch.
Ok. Let’s do that.
Yeah, sure. Gather the guillotine and meet me in the town square.
You can either hold your nose and eat the turds or agree to permanently become the tail end of a human centipede. You got the centipede because you threw away the turds despite every minority begging you not to. Enjoy the centipede.
Exactly.
“Here. I’m either going to give you this this sandwich, or I can hit you with this bat.”
“Fuck you. I don’t like the sauce on the sandwich. Ouch! Curse this bat that has nothing to do with my decisions!”
The secret sauce on the Democrat sandwich was the blood of Palestinian children being killed by US weapons. Those who still possess a moral compass found the copius amounts of blood difficult to stomach.
Personally I would have preferred ranch or avocado spread, but the DNC and Biden admin looked at the menu and actively chose blood.
This argument will never hold any water whatsoever when the Republican bat contained much more Palestinian blood mixed in with far more blood from immigrants and trans people as well
What “argument” are you referring to?
I agree that Republicans are the worse of two evils, by far.
I was just pointing out that Democrats are not a benign sandwich, they are violent conservatives. Just less violent and less conservative than the alternative.
Good thing Trump ended that conflict then. I’m so glad the Republicans haven’t continued funding Israel’s war on the Palestinian people…
None of that washes the blood off of the hands of Democrats.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.
None of you seem capable of taking a step back and realizing that there are more options than being force-fed a turd sandwich or getting hit with a bat. You’ve already lost if you’re willfully limiting yourself to these two options because those will only ever be your options until you decide you’ve had enough of both.
Tell me you know nothing about American politics without telling me you know nothing about American politics
I just read your comments.
If I walked up to you and told you I was going to hit you in the face or the groin and to pick one, you’d dutifully pick one and tell everyone how smart you were to pick what you did and how no one else is such a pragmatic chooser as you, you supreme master of contrived trolley problems.
I’ll tell you one thing for sure, if anything gets better in the next few years it wont be because of the centrist dems like yourself.
What a nothing comment. If you had something to “inform me” with you would have done it instead if pretending like you have some special insight into fixing our problems by giving the Dems another turn at the helm as if they haven’t been steering us to this very point too.
What? In my metaphor, Democrats are the nets made of sometimes poop, and Republicans are the turds. Was that not clear?
