It’s really hard to comprehend from an outside perspective that returning to the state of affairs with all the people being killed annually by cops or imprisoned for trivial/made-up stuff is the much preferred choice to the current state.
Just awful.
And it’s an still there, but now there is ICE too, foreign concentration camps multiplied/got outsourced, and military is being tested.
In a country that wanted change, but got the opposite - just a lot more of the same(ish) problems. And they did that by voting.
I’m not sure any legal mechanism (and there are a bunch afaik) can successfully inhibit the current administration to either just carry on or print ballots with only their names on it. Or just declare a winner without even counting the votes.
A hungry nation fighting for food is in a bad position for a general strike.
That’s what they want. If ICE gets violently repelled in any substantial way tiny d will declare martial law and suspend voting. Otherwise midterms will decimate their control of Congress.
The People are doing an amazing job at resisting in ways that are both highly effective and don’t give him an excuse to tear down the constitution, and they should be supported not condemned given the hand they were dealt.
That’s putting a lot of faith in a system that has simply proven to be gutted, undermined, and rendered ineffective. The checks and balances are pretty much gone. Trump should have been in jail before the election. We’re way beyond midterms having meaningful impacts. Maybe I’m overly pessimistic and I’d love to be proven wrong, but I’m not seeing it.
How many ICE agents are in jail for their innumerable, constant violations of laws?
How many of them have quit, or been otherwise disabled as members of a violent paramilitary force?
How much has ICE’s capacity to inflict further lawless terror been actually, practically diminished?
The answer is None, to near none, basically not at all.
What you describe as effective resistance is just effective virtue signalling, not making any material difference against a hostile invading force, who is only growing in number and continuously gaining access to more funding and resources.
The elections are actively being rigged right now, MAGA bought the company that runs most of the voting machines.
They’ll either win the midterms via fuckery, or just cancel them, no matter how many people voice their concerns and displeasure.
Also, they’ll just do a false flag or massively trump up an actual event, to justify violence, if they are not met with actual violent resistance.
They have in fact already been doing this, in many, many different instances, but the news cycle moves so fast that apparently few are cognizant of this.
They can do that anyway, right?
After that the people can then either do nothing, protest peacefully (as much as they can/are allowed), or riot.
It’s the same result anyway, the pipeline is being built step by step (ICE employment numbers, testing the military chain of command, media control, voting/legal stuff, …).
Otherwise midterms will decimate their control of Congress.
you are overestimating the reasoning skills and common sense of the average american voter. we’ll be lucky to flip even one chamber by a razor-thin margin.
It would be naive to expect any more given how gerrymandered and entrenched red states are. 10% would flip both the House and Senate and effectively render the last 2 years of this presidency moot.
Senate aint getting flipped. Of the seats up for election, only Maine’s could realistically be flipped, all the other seats are either already solid blue or solid red. I doubt 3 red states would simultaneously go blue.
Weakens his narrative and gives states more of a casus bellum to ignore or even toss out feds should the time come. Woo end of empire politics ain’t it FUN. Why couldn’t we have gone out like the Hittites at least then I could stab strange people coming from the sea.
Oh I ain’t denying that it sucks ass, but there is a somewhat reasonable argument that can be made that just keeping what you can afloat and waiting for the feds to implode is the optimal strategy right now. It’s kinda like how the regional nationalist movements just kinda waited for the Soviets to implode towards the end. Not fun by any means and I personally disagree, I think the states should be black bagging the fuckers and shutting off utilities to their facilities. But open revolt is still at least a couple months away, kinda depends how long this shutdown goes on for and how economic effects manifest.
The federal gov imploding (especially if Federal Reserve is under control) can be many decades away, even several internal coups away.
Imo an open revolt in USA happens only when it becomes beyond clear the voting rights are taken over. And even then far from unanimous.
Atm neither “side” is there yet - the gov doesn’t have the infrastructure/environment to make a possible revolt manageable (hungry & overworked populous is a factor too), and the people don’t have the resolve to accept where, how fast, how premeditated, and how successfully the gov is moving.
(Oh, and a bunch of rich states seceding imho leads to immediate war. I don’t really see a peacefully way of that happening regardless of the public view. The federal border & poor state subsidies would destabilise the whole gov.)
An American trying to explain how to properly dismantle a government. Another great example of “Oh we should play by the rules because then everything is going to be okay”. No. It wont. Get violent or they will kill you, one by one.
Americans are actually great at dismantling legitimate and illegitimate governments, and they can do it in a vast variety of ways. Most common they start supporting local gangs or terrorist groups to take control. Or directly bomb the country. Or send assassins. Or sanction the country. Or …
That’s the work of the CIA and yes, they are doing an excellent job. Unfortunately, the CIA is focused on everything but the USA, or else the government would be gone in no time 😄
You have no idea where I am coming from. And you do have no clue how we, as a society, show the government who is in charge at the end of the day. The only ones sitting behind keyboards are Muricans and definitely not Europeans or Asians, most likely because 40.3% of all people are too fat to even protest properly.
What a shithole.
Yep. But the people don’t learn. So I don’t give a shit unless there is civil unrest against that government.
It’s really hard to comprehend from an outside perspective that returning to the state of affairs with all the people being killed annually by cops or imprisoned for trivial/made-up stuff is the much preferred choice to the current state.
Just awful.
And it’s an still there, but now there is ICE too, foreign concentration camps multiplied/got outsourced, and military is being tested.
In a country that wanted change, but got the opposite - just a lot more of the same(ish) problems. And they did that by voting.
I’m not sure any legal mechanism (and there are a bunch afaik) can successfully inhibit the current administration to either just carry on or print ballots with only their names on it. Or just declare a winner without even counting the votes.
A hungry nation fighting for food is in a bad position for a general strike.
That’s what they want. If ICE gets violently repelled in any substantial way tiny d will declare martial law and suspend voting. Otherwise midterms will decimate their control of Congress.
The People are doing an amazing job at resisting in ways that are both highly effective and don’t give him an excuse to tear down the constitution, and they should be supported not condemned given the hand they were dealt.
That’s putting a lot of faith in a system that has simply proven to be gutted, undermined, and rendered ineffective. The checks and balances are pretty much gone. Trump should have been in jail before the election. We’re way beyond midterms having meaningful impacts. Maybe I’m overly pessimistic and I’d love to be proven wrong, but I’m not seeing it.
… Effective?
How many ICE agents are in jail for their innumerable, constant violations of laws?
How many of them have quit, or been otherwise disabled as members of a violent paramilitary force?
How much has ICE’s capacity to inflict further lawless terror been actually, practically diminished?
The answer is None, to near none, basically not at all.
What you describe as effective resistance is just effective virtue signalling, not making any material difference against a hostile invading force, who is only growing in number and continuously gaining access to more funding and resources.
The elections are actively being rigged right now, MAGA bought the company that runs most of the voting machines.
They’ll either win the midterms via fuckery, or just cancel them, no matter how many people voice their concerns and displeasure.
Also, they’ll just do a false flag or massively trump up an actual event, to justify violence, if they are not met with actual violent resistance.
They have in fact already been doing this, in many, many different instances, but the news cycle moves so fast that apparently few are cognizant of this.
They can do that anyway, right?
After that the people can then either do nothing, protest peacefully (as much as they can/are allowed), or riot.
It’s the same result anyway, the pipeline is being built step by step (ICE employment numbers, testing the military chain of command, media control, voting/legal stuff, …).
you are overestimating the reasoning skills and common sense of the average american voter. we’ll be lucky to flip even one chamber by a razor-thin margin.
I guess reducing by ten percent is a start.
It would be naive to expect any more given how gerrymandered and entrenched red states are. 10% would flip both the House and Senate and effectively render the last 2 years of this presidency moot.
Senate aint getting flipped. Of the seats up for election, only Maine’s could realistically be flipped, all the other seats are either already solid blue or solid red. I doubt 3 red states would simultaneously go blue.
They’re going to do that anyways…
100%. He’ll just make something up. Already is.
Weakens his narrative and gives states more of a casus bellum to ignore or even toss out feds should the time come. Woo end of empire politics ain’t it FUN. Why couldn’t we have gone out like the Hittites at least then I could stab strange people coming from the sea.
I’m not angry at you but at this sentiment. When is the fucking time if not now?
Oh I ain’t denying that it sucks ass, but there is a somewhat reasonable argument that can be made that just keeping what you can afloat and waiting for the feds to implode is the optimal strategy right now. It’s kinda like how the regional nationalist movements just kinda waited for the Soviets to implode towards the end. Not fun by any means and I personally disagree, I think the states should be black bagging the fuckers and shutting off utilities to their facilities. But open revolt is still at least a couple months away, kinda depends how long this shutdown goes on for and how economic effects manifest.
The federal gov imploding (especially if Federal Reserve is under control) can be many decades away, even several internal coups away.
Imo an open revolt in USA happens only when it becomes beyond clear the voting rights are taken over. And even then far from unanimous.
Atm neither “side” is there yet - the gov doesn’t have the infrastructure/environment to make a possible revolt manageable (hungry & overworked populous is a factor too), and the people don’t have the resolve to accept where, how fast, how premeditated, and how successfully the gov is moving.
(Oh, and a bunch of rich states seceding imho leads to immediate war. I don’t really see a peacefully way of that happening regardless of the public view. The federal border & poor state subsidies would destabilise the whole gov.)
At which point our number and power will be at its strongest. Some people voted for his ass and are still on the fence.
An American trying to explain how to properly dismantle a government. Another great example of “Oh we should play by the rules because then everything is going to be okay”. No. It wont. Get violent or they will kill you, one by one.
Americans are actually great at dismantling legitimate and illegitimate governments, and they can do it in a vast variety of ways. Most common they start supporting local gangs or terrorist groups to take control. Or directly bomb the country. Or send assassins. Or sanction the country. Or …
That’s the work of the CIA and yes, they are doing an excellent job. Unfortunately, the CIA is focused on everything but the USA, or else the government would be gone in no time 😄
A non American bitching that other people aren’t throwing their lives away while you sit behind a keyboard under no danger whatsoever
You have no idea where I am coming from. And you do have no clue how we, as a society, show the government who is in charge at the end of the day. The only ones sitting behind keyboards are Muricans and definitely not Europeans or Asians, most likely because 40.3% of all people are too fat to even protest properly.
Enjoy the fascist regime.
I’m flabbergasted at this comment in between my bites of lard.
Remember children, fascism is when thicc.
Fuck off
Oh if I would live there, that’d be exactly what I’d do, genius. 🤣
Nah, I don’t think you would. Don’t you think others think like you do? Where’s the unrest? Talking is easy.