Women are avoiding men. For all sorts of reasons that I think most of you are aware of. It’s a huge turn off to be with someone who thing you are lower than them. Who thinks you don’t deserve basic human rights.
It’s a huge mood killer.
Women also are feeling like they have the ability to refuse when before they didn’t.
Women are also scared of pregnancy in a way they haven’t been since the fecking 1900s.
Because now, you get pregnant. A doctor will let you die before they will provide medical care if that medical care has any chance of harming a fetus. Even if the fetus is dead.
Women are dying from pregnancy. Women are no longer able to terminate an early pregnancy safely.
Women are scared.
*I realize not every sex encounter is a man and woman. But most of the population is hetero.
It’s a huge turn off to be with someone who thing you are lower than them. Who thinks you don’t deserve basic human rights.
While I don’t disagree with this theory, I wonder why you would think that this is a recent development.
The awareness is relatively recent. “The woman place is in the kitchen” is not an old thing.
Perhaps there is a comfort in expressing these beliefs now when before there was not?
That is what I thought I said, yes.
Can I also add in stress and other environmental factors?
I don’t know… While this certainly has made a comeback in the last couple of years (thanks to rise of fucking Nazi shits all over the world), there has been a positive development.
I actually believe it has more to do with the ever increasing “efficiency” at work and addictive media (YouTube, social media, Netflix, etc.). People just don’t have time for sex anymore, because there are quicker ways to get your dopamine fixed. This is also why people don’t go out and socialize anymore. Social media is actually very antisocial.
It’s a huge turn off to be with someone who thing you are lower than them. Who thinks you don’t deserve basic human rights.
Are you basing this on dating app matches? It might be a case of survivor bias
To elaborate, what’s possibly happening is that only the assholes of society are the ones having a disproportionate level of exposure/influence on these apps because the good ones cycle out of it quickly enough when they find their viable partners. And then these assholes, who in fact represent a minority of the actual population, end up staining everyone else’s opinions by making them think these people are the majority of peoples’ behaviours.
World of Warcraft 😁
There’s a considerable uptick just before 2010, so WoW players must’ve been having lots of sex during WotLK years
From a top raid trainer at the time, “Knock down drag-out fight, killed 'em and looted ‘em. Finally log off at the end of the raid, and?’ WoW Players in WotLK say, ‘Tough fight. Boss is down, I’m alive. Finally get to bed at the end of the run, and?’ They all say, 'The best sex I’ve had in months.”
- People are more willing to be honest now.
- How much of that sex in the past had the same amount of consent?
It says 1990 not 1900!
You think 1990 where a time of full consent and awareness about other sensitivities? Oh boy.
Things were definitely different to today, but I think the factors you listed are not enough to explain the massive decline in that graph.
Things like economic insecurity, cost of housing, increasing isolation / changes in living circumstances, and medication are all likely to be significant factors in my opinion.
Lack of genuine idle time breeds … non-breeding.
People are just not very attractive nowadays
I blame the GenZ broccoli haircut.
My wife and I go through hot & cold spells. I think we have similar drives, but our timing doesn’t always match up. I’m more of a “harness the power of the morning wood” sort of fellow. She’s more of a “I want it right now but he’s still at work” sort of gal. We both talk a big game, but work, childcare and adulting conspire against us.
Gotta have both a partner and time to have sex ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Spousal Rape Laws started getting enforced finally.
An ex once who told me that she had a rape fetish, was totally into it. I was against it but since she was longing for it so badly I told her “I‘ll do it during week 18 but I won’t tell you when” and she was excited.
Long story short: she enjoyed it while it lasted but cried afterwards because I was too harsh.
Years later I ran into her husband and it turned out that she has BPD.
I am very lucky to have had a written contract back then.
I think generally you’d want to start smaller when trying any CNC stuff. But hey, a lot of kinks exist only in our minds but aren’t something people want to try, and sometimes we find out the hard way. I hope you two have each other the aftercare needed to move past that.
Of course we did! CNC without aftercare is unacceptable
💜💜💜
So we’re gonna see it go back up?
I’d say a larger part of the population being aware that they can reject “unsolicited requests” is a part of it.
Also, it requires meeting people to some extent. That sounds boring.
Probably depression, online dating ruining the entire dating world, and the economy sucking.
I remember growing up, you could go to a bar with friends, meet some people and there was always someone hooking up quickly. Or you grabbed a phone number and you were good for later.
Now it’s more “are you 6 foot tall?” “do you make six figures?” “what’s your snap or insta?” “are you a racist nazi that will murder me in my sleep?”
Then they can always say, ehhh, your not attractive enough for me, i’ll go on tinder and DM one of the 60 guys waiting for me. BYEEEEEEEE
It could be the aging population. If 100% of people 20-40 have sex and 0% of 40-60 then that’s 50% if both groups are equally strong.
Now if it’s 1/3 and 2/3 then it’s only 33%.
Well, I had my 18th birthday in 1994 and I put everyone off since then.
I find computers endlessly fascinating and they are easier to understand than social interactions. If you took away easier forms of entertainment I would be seeking harder forms of entertainment. Probably also starting a revolution.
What would be your first few steps in starting the revolution?
Organizing. Building community.
Do you think we will ever get to the point of “virtual sex” when you can experience something better than the real thing?
Maybe, with genetic modification. I think sex has the knobs maxed out for our current chemistry.
Besides plenty of other reasons people mentioned, Gen Z in particular is pretty antisocial. I’ve seen them hang out at bars, they might get one drink and just stare at their phone. Just anecdotal, but from what I’ve gathered it definitely feels like those type of folk either don’t know how to have fun or are averse to it. I don’t mean that in a completely negative way, either. I think covid really made a lot of people in general more socially inept. Again, I don’t mean that to denegrate and I’ve definitely felt that a bit myself.
Younger generations seem to treat basic conversation as cringeworthy. Like the fact that you’re even talking to them is seen as appalling, regardless of the context.
I’ve seen kids walk up to a register at a fast food joint, then act surprised and put off when the cashier asked for their order. Like the cashier was in the wrong for initiating a conversation. Oftentimes, the kid won’t even respond until the cashier is like “ooookay, uhh… If you’re not ready to order, can you step out of line?”
The best description I’ve seen for it is “they’re waiting for the dialog options to load.” Because it 100% looks like they’re just waiting for some external force to move the conversation along. It reminds me of when boomers get the lead paint stare while waiting for the card reader to finish reading their chip. The machine will just be dinging at them to remove their card, the cashier will be like “Uhh sir? Please take your card” and the boomer will act surprised. Like they were just stuck in a loading screen while the rest of the party was already pulling mobs.
I’m a millennial who just spent the last 7 years at Uni/CC and I’m not seeing any of this. COVID had a huge impact, but in general things seem pretty much the same as when I was in school in the 90’s/early aughts, except they’re on smartphones instead of Nokias. They just seem normal to me.
Nah, a lot of them are useless. I see it at work. Many of them are incapable of making a quick phone call when they need something. They just don’t understand that people prioritize answers for people they actually know. You don’t get to know people via texting.
Yes.
