• solsangraal@lemmy.zipEnglish
    27411·
    10 days ago

    it was always “woke”

    it should be woke

    woke is a GOOD thing, and anyone who says otherwise is a sack of shit and should be ashamed

    sincerely,
    woke AF woke person who is woke

    • Pumafred9@lemmy.world
      871·
      10 days ago

      In England, before ‘woke’ and ‘snowflake’ was a saying, people used to say ‘it’s PC gone mad’.

      Sincerely, someone whose PC went mad.

        • Vespair@lemmy.zipEnglish
          17·
          10 days ago

          Honestly even the over-the-top caricature that he is is still well-meaning and mostly decent, just zealous. Like literally even their worst case boogyman version is… Mostly fine?

          • RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
            1·
            9 days ago

            Nope. All are “the radical left” to them, because improving someone else’s life a lot at the cost of a minor inconvenience to yourself is an unhinged, radical idea to them.

            • caseyweederman@lemmy.ca
              13·
              9 days ago

              “I don’t put oil in my car. It’s not natural.”
              Everyone’s brains have cells that manufacture dopamine, receptors that detect dopamine levels, and cleaner proteins that keep your brain from just being full of dopamine all the time.
              My cleaner proteins are overpowered, so the dopamine is rarely in my brain long enough to get detected, so I don’t get the “good job sport/hamster treat button” reward feeling unless the dopamine burst is REALLY STRONG, like the first few times I accomplish or learn something new.
              That’s why I struggle with brushing my teeth or doing the dishes or making it to appointments on time or doing my homework, but I thrive off of picking up new hobbies that I’m sure I’ll stick with, this time, and not drop the moment I didn’t spend a bunch of money on tools and materials for, like all the previous hobbies.
              It’s why I literally cannot form habits.
              So I take a medication that inhibits those dopamine vacuums. The dopamine gets produced and gets to stick around long enough in my brain juices that the receptors can take a meaningful poll of my levels. Now when I press the button, the hamster treat comes out!
              For decades I thought I was just lazy, and bad, because everyone around me was telling me that I just needed to apply myself. So much potential. It turns out my brain is just too good at one very narrowly specific thing that makes it hard for me to be good at anything.
              And meditation or cutting back on sugar or just pushing through it, none of that did a goddamn thing because it’s not a moral failure, it’s not that I’m not trying, it’s that my brain needs a little help managing chemicals.

              • Zink@programming.dev
                4·
                9 days ago

                Wow, that matches my experience exactly.

                I’m curious if you’re willing to share what the medication is in your case.

                • Lumidaub@feddit.org
                  4·
                  9 days ago

                  Congratulations, you may have ADHD (one of us one of us <cheer>). The applicable drugs are dopamine reuptake inhibitors (such as Ritalin).

                • caseyweederman@lemmy.ca
                  2·
                  9 days ago

                  Name-brand Concerta, which is methylphenidate packaged in some proprietary time-delay system. The time-delay system is crucial, because you extremely do not want the full dosage dumped into your system all at once, or in irregular batches, and apparently the off-brand manufacturers just haven’t cracked it. I don’t think that’s just propaganda.

                  Also: I hope you live in a place where medication is covered. :/

      • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        5·
        10 days ago

        Well, sheeple are the ancient eneny, so you must wake them from the dream that is the world without waking yourself or those you love.

        I dont get how you dont understand this.

      • Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip
        1·
        9 days ago

        Right wing ideals have never been consistent. It’s all bluster to push an immediate narrative with no regard to how contradictive it is to their other ideals

    • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
      111·
      10 days ago

      Exactly. Like, what are TV suppose to teach? Don’t fraternise with black people? Men should always be dominant over women? Empathy is bad? Christianity is the one and only true religion and Muslims should be deported?

    • vga@sopuli.xyz
      926·
      10 days ago

      People who say that woke is always bad are wrong. People who say that woke is always great are wrong. The concept is being used for cynically manipulating people to be at each others’ throats all the time because that’s how fucked up shit companies make amazing amounts of money these days apparently.

      Dunno how lemmy plays into all this, probably by cargo culting what those shit companies were doing.

      • AA5B@lemmy.world
        7·
        9 days ago

        Maybe you’re confusing being aware with specific choices of how to respond. Being aware is always good, but you can always argue with what people choose to do with that knowledge.

      • solsangraal@lemmy.zipEnglish
        95·
        9 days ago

        People who say that woke is always great are wrong

        LOL bro-- you’re in the wrong fucking place here

        woke is ALWAYS great. the opposite of woke is ALWAYS bad.

        i don’t know what your maga motivation is, but it’s weak.

    • Tedesche@lemmy.worldEnglish
      627·
      9 days ago

      For someone who’s so “woke” you’re really societally unaware. But I guess that might be the point….

        • Tedesche@lemmy.worldEnglish
          431·
          9 days ago

          It’s real simple: woke has a negative connotation for a reason. I won’t deny that the context is complex, but if you think most people react positively to the phrase, you’re living under a rock.

          • nexguy@lemmy.world
            231·
            9 days ago

            “Woke” is a term bigots and racists took over to use to hate on “tolerance” without saying they hate “tolerance”. Take it back.

          • solsangraal@lemmy.zipEnglish
            254·
            9 days ago

            woke has a negative connotation for a reason

            yea, because right wing propaganda has turned it into a pejorative.

            i don’t know how i gave the impression that i give a fuck what maga thinks. but i don’t.

            if you think most people react positively to the phrase

            where did i say or imply that? you’re making assumptions based on what you feel, and those assumptions are wrong

            again, woke is a GOOD thing, and anyone who says otherwise is a sack of shit and should be ashamed

            • Tedesche@lemmy.worldEnglish
              29·
              9 days ago

              yea, because right wing propaganda has turned it into a pejorative.

              LOL, it hasn’t done that in its own. Stop giving them more influence than they’re due. Woke language even has librarais cringing, and it’s not because they oppose the message.

              Woke messaging has a problem with exaggeration, the same as all political messaging does. You guys say things like “all gender identities are social constructs,” when that’s clearly not the case. You say things like “all racism is due to systemic racism,” when clearly that’s not the case. People see this. They’re not stupid. They see that your assertions are wrong. I align with the message, I really do, but I’m tired of “woke” messengers fucking up our message with their hyperbolic bullshit. This plays right into Trump’s hands! And until you dipshits see it, he will continue to take advantage and win. So, I’m sorry if you don’t like me pointing it out, but you’re the fucking problem!

              • Ziglin (it/they)@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                8 days ago

                I’ve never heard anyone say either of those things but I don’t have an argument against the first one based my understanding of gender.

                I think that parts of your statement are likely correct but I doubt a lot of it. The comment you replied to was correct though it is likely more nuanced. That is where your point could play in (which is what enables much exaggeration used by opponents) but your examples show me that you are quite biased (not that I am not) and not necessarily part of those who would be willing to listen to the whole thing.

          • skisnow@lemmy.caEnglish
            111·
            9 days ago

            What would you have us use instead then? They were going after “empathy” last month. No matter what word you choose, Nazis are gonna Nazi.

            • the_wiz@feddit.org
              2·
              9 days ago

              Could we please stop calling this mediocre LARPers Nazis? My grandfather was a Nazi, party book, SA uniform and all… and he would be ashamed of the MAGAs et. al.

            • Tedesche@lemmy.worldEnglish
              18·
              9 days ago

              I would recommend we stop using a term altogether and simply make our points. Words can always be deconstructed and redefined. The fact that we create and cling to them is our own fault. “Woke” was a term created by the Left and redefined by the Right. It’s very frustrating to me how we’ve totally cooperated with way the Right is redefining the term by responding to it as though they have a legit understanding of it. Which we have done simply by responding. So many of us are like “they don’t know what it means!” But they do. We defined it for them, and now we just don’t like that they’re using it to attack us. The definition of “woke” is “liberal bullshit.” And it has meaning to all conservatives; the fact that liberals think it’s meaningless doesn’t matter. We don’t even use the term anymore, because we’ve acquiesced to the conservative definition. That means they’ve won, with respect to that specific term. So, stop using it. Let them have it. Move on.

          • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
            61·
            9 days ago

            It has a negative connotation only for nazis and racists. For everyone else it has a clear, well defined meaning. Anyone who uses it as pejorative is a racist, nazi propagandist.

            • Tedesche@lemmy.worldEnglish
              210·
              9 days ago

              You’re just plain wrong. As evidenced by the mainstream media using it as such. They’re not pandering to Nazis. They’re pandering to mainstream liberals, and they see it as a negative term. Go cry to them. Boo-hoo.

          • Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip
            41·
            9 days ago

            That reason is right wing propogandists who have a long history of trying to appropriate language others are using and using it as a negative label within their own community to try to distract from all the bullshit they’re doing to those bigots they are distracting.

            That’s it.

            • Tedesche@lemmy.worldEnglish
              12·
              8 days ago

              What is this “long history” you speak of? Point to it for me. Demonstrate you know what you’re talking about.

              Believe me, I have no love of conservatives, but you still have to back up your points with facts.

              It’s very easy to debunk Trump’s points with facts because he has none.

      • PapaStevesy@lemmy.world
        92·
        9 days ago

        For someone who’s so “societally aware”, you’re really a sack of shit. But I guess that might be the point…

  • GreenKnight23@lemmy.world
    672·
    10 days ago

    butterfly in the sky!

    you grew up to be a piece of shit.

    just take a look.

    it’s in a book,

    that you banned.

  • nthavoc@lemmy.todayEnglish
    40·
    9 days ago

    The fact that somehow Big Bird and friends were a threat of any sort to society should tell you what kind of asshole they chose to be. Social media platforms like twatter and meta justify in their minds their assholery. Sesame Street didn’t stand a chance against the onslaught of digital dipshit soapboxes.

  • SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world
    36·
    10 days ago

    By the way back then you didn’t have influencers and youtubers telling you what to think, and there were no 6 hours video assay telling you how bad the lastest disney movie (because no other animated movie is worth discussing) is. Honestly back then we either turned on the tv or pop in some vhs or later on dvd and be happy about it. I know it’s wild to think but we didn’t have internt with us all time.

      • merc@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        9 days ago

        Even before that there was Walter Cronkite, then Peter Jennings.

        That was back in an era where everyone watched the same “influencers”. The good part of that was that for the most part, these influencers were rigorously fact checked so the people who watched them agreed on the same set of facts, and those facts were more or less true.

        On the other hand, there were times when these “influencers” were biased or even hid the truth. The bias was often something they even had trouble noticing. Like, they all believed communism was a big threat, or that police were trustworthy. As for hiding the truth, sometimes when a politician got in trouble the news would drop the story because of their deference to power. They’d also sometimes try to repeat whatever the government said as truth without checking it, or not investigate bad things the government was doing overseas because they saw that as being patriotic.

        Overall, I think it was better when everybody agreed on most things, even if sometimes the news / “influencers” were biased. At least it meant that the government was more or less functional. At least it meant that people were relatively civil with each-other.

  • El_guapazo@lemmy.world
    19·
    9 days ago

    1980s GI Joe had a diverse and inclusive team to fight the fascist cult-like Cobra group.

    And now we have a Cobra Commander like leader and everyone literally falling over themselves to fawn. Apparently we didn’t learn the other half of the battle.

  • Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world
    9·
    9 days ago

    Its funny how the word they use to describe those with empathy in this case social empathy is woke. That make them asleep, somnolent or just in a coma.

      • Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world
        3·
        8 days ago

        Look up john ringo. Get woke go broke. That is that asshats contribution. They didn’t invent the term snowflake either. The term was in fact first coined to describe them. They got called it enough and took offense enough that they tred to turn it around on those of us who can see how they are.

        All of john ringo’s books are the same. You have some libertarian underdog who shows the rest of the characters how they are the most bad ass and/or successful. There is always a ‘woke’ character that every one hates. Its really kind of sad.

  • niktemadur@lemmy.world
    6·
    9 days ago

    Then there is also all those mediocre non-voters who empowered by default the motivated-by-hysteria, toxic dregs of society, up and down Main St. and deep within their communities and suburbs.