I don’t quite understand the criticism. It’s not gonna be top of the line, but it’s more than enough to replace my dying laptop from 2015 that I pretty much only ever use like a desktop anyway. And I can save myself the time and effort of picking parts, building, and dealing with shit not working as expected.
Boycott the Call of Duty mines.
In all honesty, I think it might be overall better if games like Fortnite, CoD or Fifa never get patched for Linux. The vast majority of their players are just addicts who fell victim to the predatory mechanisms. One of the few effective solutions is to cut them off this stuff.
Ideally, these games shouldn’t exist, at least not in their current form. But it’s not like billionaire sociopaths will stop feeding on the weak and poor anytime soon.
Remember when Linux was about freedom? If the OS lets me delete root recursively, it can also let me play slop. It’s not my mom.
That’s the only thing I worry about personally, not the users so much, but the capitalists who see “opportunity” once Linux gains a hold, and start figuring out how to make it disgusting like everything else they touch with their greedy little slop mitts.
It won’t be “Well, Linux doesn’t permit anticheat”, it will be
“Okay how do we create some centralized power structure that makes invasive DRM and anticheat that runs on Linux?”
And they’ll move to colonize.
While I don’t like these games either, I think it would be better for them to support Linux, so all users can enjoy the games they want.
they are not games they are slop that normies consume.
They could sell it as a machine that protects your privacy and prevents any privacy invasive software from running in it
I’m not sure that anyone who cares that much about COD has any level of overlap with PC gamers. Or really with any gamer, period. “Oh, no, I can’t play the cod game this year. Womp womp.” Said nobody over the age of 18, ever. They’ll play the next one when it comes to steam machine. Lmao.
Edit: key phrase “anyone that cares that much”. Yes, everyone engages in hyperbole.
My friends that play CoD only really play CoD, a few are trying BF6. They never play any games with me because my games are uninteresting. My game selection of infinity minus 1 is considered uninteresting compared to their game selection of 1. You got the age all wrong though, they are 20 to 50.
key phrase “anyone that cares that much”
key phrase “anyone that cares that much”
Lemmy users: no, it’s everyone else who is out of touch
key phrase “anyone that cares that much”
You can literally install windows on it if you want
I am excited for the steam machine because of the anti cheat issue. If we push for linux gaming, they are forced to either find a
spywarekernel anti cheat solution for linux or drop thespywarekernel anti cheat.This is the thing I agree with. This push will accelerate the advancement in gaming and other applications within computing. Compatibility will be priority across all types of hardware rather than restricted to corpoware. Additionally, efficiency would be increased rather than diminished with the pointless root access.
Naive talk about about restricting games which most people find as favourite goes completely against the direction this scene should follow.
IIRC, kernel level anti cheat works for linux. It’s at the company’s discretion if they enable support for Linux clients
Of course, it works. The tech was never the issue. The issue is that they think that linux is easier to modify to break the kernel anti cheat. It is a PR issue, when there is enough money, magically the pr issue is gone.
I think the main issue there is that the player base is not big enough to justify developing a kernel-level anti-cheat. The variability in Linux kernels might also be a bit of an issue.
The classic “it is not big enough” while actively preventing the user base to grow.
I stopped gaming because of this shit.
Of course. For a large corporation only having to support a single platform is perfect. Having to support multiple platforms increases the cost and we have to think of the poor, poor investors.
On the other hand, there are more than enough great indie devs making actually fun and innovative games.
Screw AAA games, they suck anyway.
Is it kernel level on Linux, though? It may have some privilege inside wine, but I’m never gonna give root access to some game.
No, EAC, BattilEye, and a handful of other anticheat solutions have a native user space linux binary, and wine provides a way for the windows portion to hook into the linux portion, allowing the anticheat host to work with wine/proton games.
This involves the developer enabling the option to allow this when building their game which most devs do except for the notorious few that refuse to enable it because they don’t want to spend the extra .00002% worth of budget into making proper anticheat solutions and instead rely on kernel rootkits to solve that problem for them.
They just don’t need to build their shit on something that requires wine. While there are solutions, just make it run natively.
I will gladly give up a few games for running an amazing operating system instead of windows shit. :)
There’s no need to wait. You can switch right now.
Im about 15 years into fulltime Linux, man… :)
So you’re already there.
If it does not work on Linux I simply won’t buy it.
Yes, the same. It being the machine of course
Machine, software, peripheral, whatever.
The thing is this is a legitimate problem for the overall success of this. And the success of Linux as a general gaming OS. If people can’t play their staples like CoD or fortnite or anything else with this problem, then that’ll be enough to decide not to get this. Most people here probably don’t care, but we’re not the majority. And a lot of us probably aren’t in the market for this anyway.
This is the general sentiment I’ve been hearing, though surprisingly a lot of people belive that these games will eventually reach steam machine anyway because it seems stupid to them that it never happens.
I didn’t expect it, but a lot of Xbox players I know are considering saving up for the steam machine because it replaces their need for a console + PC for games, and they are aware that Xbox has been pretty open to putting their games on PC anyway. Some even considered Nintendo emulation which is defnitley something I didn’t expect to see from Xbox only players.
Halo Infinite and MCC run just fine on Linux. If they were comfortable letting their core IP on steam, it would be easy and probably beneficial for MSFT to do the same for CoD.
I think the main holdout will be Epic Games, simply because they want to be a competitor to steam and they seem to hate the idea of giving valve any leverage in the gaming industry.
It’s a feature
I wish laws represented the interests of the 99%
Wish granted, laws represent the owners of 99% of all wealth.
That monkey better not dare curl one of his fingers up for that “wish”! Nothing was changed. 😂
Just don’t turn it on?
Until 6 months from now when they turn it on by default, forcing you to apply a registry hack to disable it after every update from now on.
But that’s only if Microsoft decides to continue consistent behavior going on for decades. Yeah, you’re right. Totally nothing to worry about.
The only thing I have to fuck around with like that is the setting for Windows Update itself. It’s pretty annoying but also pretty different from an AI feature (because the modification I want to make delays updates, which is less secure). Maybe you’re thinking of something specific?
Anyway, yes, if they add an AI agent that you can’t turn off without hacks, that would be bad. But given that they haven’t done that, complaining about the law (without saying what the law is lacking) is silly. What would the law say - “don’t add features to software if any user doesn’t want it?” there is no way to make what the commenter above said make sense.
There’s a plethora of settings that Microsoft reverts on updates. That’s well known.
Guess you agree that this isn’t something the law should be involved with. Cool chat.
No specific policy was mentioned. I certainly think Microsoft should be subject to many, many more laws than they are currently, and I wouldn’t mind if they were prevented from circumventing user preference repeatedly. But you don’t even believe that this insanely well known thing happens and that sort of prevents a further conversation anyhow, so yes, cool chat.
been playing on linux for many many years.
never once have I been stopped by kernal level anticheat.
Weird, its almost as if good games don’t use invasive spyware rootkits.
I feel like the steam machine could actually change the trajectory of gaming. I mean look at the playstation 5. It was crazy overhyped, they don’t have any games, pay to play online, the next one is around the corner. The xbox is somehow even worse. If the steam machine sells, linux is gonna see an insane push and the game developers have to sink or swim.
If that was true the steam deck would have already done it.
The steam deck competes with consoles and most of the pc world. It has different form factor but it is a pc.
As much as i love video games, steam devices and all that jazz, i never saw a reason to get a steam deck.
Yeah, I know I’m not the target demographic.
That doesnt mean I dont think its an interesting piece of tech, and I would like one as a toy/curiousity… but i’d only get one if I can get it used/second hand and dirt cheap (and probably broken, so i can drive the price lower and fix it myself)
Steam deck hasn’t sold that many devices compared to PlayStation, switch, or xbox. Wildly successful for what it is? Yes. Was it ever going to become a significant % of all gaming consoles? No.
Steam Deck is held back by the perception of mobile gaming. Many don’t know how powerful it is, so it competes with the Switch more than PS5.
Well and even then it revolutionized gaming on Linux somewhat. We are now at over 90% playable games, while a few years back we scratched at the 50% mark.
Eh, it’s gonna depend on your taste in games. If competitive multiplayer games are your thing, then it is a problem. But sure, there’s lots of people who have zero interest in competitive multiplayer.
Not all competitive games require kernel level anti-cheat. Marvel Rivals, Overwatch, Valve’s games, and Halo all work under linux. It’s only a problem for people who want to play certain games like LoL, CoD, or Apex.
Sure, but as it happens with multiplayer games, you typically have a friend group that plays a certain game. Getting all of them to switch to another game can definitely be a problem.
I mean thats gonna be the joke. If steam machine really does take off, developers will come, just like they’re starting to cater to the deck. It’ll set a standard for what people want to play on and what they need to make sure their game works on. This is beyond anti cheat and DRM but it’ll be interesting to see how the momentum picks up.
I’d bet that Microsoft is already thinking about getting gamepass working on it (for better or worse)
Depends how much the thing costs.
Oh yeah I don’t mean to imply that it’s a guaranteed success, you’re right.
The hype is real though.
The hype is earnest
I have to keep using the megacorporate OS because the other megacorporation won’t let me play their slop game unless they can install a virus on my computer!
It’s Activision-Blizzard. It’s the same megacorporation
Ah right, I forgot MS bought them.
Man I remember when both those names were something to get excited about.
ActiBlizzcroSoft
MicroVisZard
Macroshaft
Honestly more trustworthy.
