It shows that to them cuz that 77% are actually using VPNs
I would be interested to know if Irish and French traffic is up a comparative amount.
I think Pornhub is blocked in France altogether
Our moronic Ministers here need to be allowed to think that they’ve saved children and delivered another bullshit political pledge. Let’s keep our heads down about VPNs. I know they have them in their sights but tougher to deal with.
Or torrents. If piracy’s on the rise (again) as a replacement for streaming, you can sure as hell bet that it was already replacing sites like PornHub way before that.
Thats the goal. These weirdos passing the laws are anti porn, not pro child
I myself am a proud Canadian on the internet
Visitors with UK IP addresses*
FTFY
There you go. Of course they just use a VPN.
Fk ID/age verification. Not just on this site but just in general.
Age check is very harming for your privacy. The whole EU want to go into this direction and it worries me a lot.
Just not pornhub but also social media sites etc. The reason why I don’t like it at all is that you once again need to share data with parties you don’t want to give them data. Especially not your passport.
It’s a matter of time before data will be leaked online after a random data breach.
Edit: I also want to add, it’s also about full control. They can reject you from websites. And websites can be rejected from this system.
The way EU is planning on implementing it is seemingly rather okay on the privacy side.
Basic idea is that instead of sending your actual ID to every random shady website, which is fucking stupid and you should never ever do, you verify your ID once to a trusted processor, and the websites only receive a simple “Is adult: yes/no” answer connected to a randomised ID from them.Combine that with one additional hop between the website and processor and you eliminate the processor even knowing what websites you requested the check for, and therefore the risk of a data leak is minimal.
Yeah, bit annoyed that Bandcamp is now asking for ID. Just going to have to abandon it when it becomes mandatory
I’m glad to hear this. Some weeks ago I was pondering how to do age checks unanimously and this was pretty much the idea I came up with. It just makes a lot more sense because it does what you want without revealing anything private.
I like how this approach gets called “okay on the privacy side” and just assumes you’re logged in to everything. In case you missed it, the subject matter here is browsing porn, a vast majority of people aren’t logging in at all with any service when they watch porn.
It doesn’t. The website would ask for an id check, you would generate it on the processor side and give the randomized ID to the site so it could go check it’s valid and let you through. It can be used to verify an account permanently but without one, it would kinda act like a temporary 2FA code.
Then there’s one failure point - the ‘trusted processor’. We need a trust free system.
Exactly. I still don’t understand why people still think it’s a good idea.
Just no! No Id check. No “age verification”. No “single company” or centralized bs. No. No. No.
We have 30 years of internet, without the need of ID verification. I don’t need it. I don’t want it. I don’t asked for it.
@JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz also you do understand that you are basically giving all the power to this random individual business that does the ID checks, right?
It’s like the current banking system. No thanks.
That means your website can just be rejected by the ID partner and voila you got blocked from the internet. Maybe your website is discussing something that the government doesn’t like?
Whatever it is, you basically sell your soul to this ID verification company. And they can reject you from any website in the future for any random reason. And like I said, websites can be rejected as well from there system (it goes both ways).
Tldr: you give them full power.
If there is exactly one global service that does all the checks for every single internet user, which every single website uses, and the information going through them is always known, then sure, they could certainly block stuff.
But it’s quite clear by now “we aren’t going to implement age verification on the internet” isn’t going to happen, that verification is going to be implemented eventually, and in the rather near future. And places like the UK and many US states are extremely unlike to roll back the already implemented solutions.
So the question now is how it can be done with the least amount of invasion to privacy, and crucially, without the website needing your actual ID.Did you read me message above? You just don’t want age verification to begin with.
Your reaction to your government should be: I will not comply. I will not follow this path.
And basically you search for other workarounds or resistance, rather then trying to work with them to a “solution” that doesn’t exists.
You can’t have privacy and id verification. You can’t never have both. It’s either one or the other.
If you think it can be done, well done, this is exactly what they want you to be believe. And thinking it’s OK what is going on.
I guess the trusted processor would be the state authority that already has all your data.
That said, I think it’s a solution looking for a problem. IDC if 14 year olds jack off to Pornhub, I rather care about 54 year olds being swindled by Meta to destroy our democracy. What did we do after Cambridge Analytica?
Do you trust your gumint to anonymize data to third parties? Especially if they’re the ones buying elections?
US style open corruption is illegal in the UK and the EU isn’t it?
That said I don’t trust them, I’m just saying if we want to rail against the thing, we should know exactly what the thing is.
US style open corruption is illegal in the UK and the EU isn’t it?
It used to be illegal in the US, too.
It takes less than a year to dismantle any checks and balances as we clearly see today. Nest way to mitigate risk is to avoid it entirely.
How would you propose I prove to you at a reasonable certainty that I am an adult, without showing you my ID, or showing it to someone else you trust to tell the truth?
And also somehow prove that the ID I gave was not fake without the government that issued it telling you that it’s genuine?Well, I actually could do it because I’m old enough that most of my accounts are already over 18 years old, but I don’t think requiring every new Pornhub user to wait 18 years is a reasonable solution.
Maybe just practise basic parenting?
Everyone develops at different rates. The arbitrary line of 18yo is already problematic. After 18, suddenly everyone is ‘thrown to the wolves’ regardless of if they’re ready.
People used to mature much faster - raising families, fighting wars before they’ve turned 20, and by 40, practically geriatric.
Is everyone ‘ready’ for porn at 18? Who decides? Just a line? Then with whom does the responsibility lie if someone that’s not ready, but still does acces porn at 18 and experiences any number of negative effects that proponents of this measure claim?
It’s a control measure looking for an excuse.
What’s the number on VPN purchases? 😅
Anecdotally, ProtonVPN’s servers have had a jump in usage percentage since this shit started, particularly in the Netherlands.
I do want to see if there was 77% increase next country over
I’m sure UK citizens can find porn without having to necessarily resort to VPNs, they just left Pornhub because they’re applying the laws
I can’t imagine the alternative be less stretchy compared to Pornhub, not that Pornhub isn’t a sketchy site in the first place
What I picture:
*Mullvad employee opens the company mailbox, and envelopes full of cash come pouring out.*
The figure I remember was like +1600% but now I can’t remember if I’m making that up
It’s almost like people are going on smaller sites that arnt covered by the online safety act and are alot more unregulated and sketchy and extreme
as someone who used to work in the adult entertainment industry years and years ago Manwin/Pornhub was always known as the “McDonalds of Porn”. You go there because you don’t know any better and just want a quick session.
If you want niche stuff, truly amateur stuff, you’ll go else where. So you’re not wrong, there are a lot more places that simply ignore these rules. For the vast majority as long as they’re following 2257 rules they couldn’t give a rats ass about any other countries rules. Why? because most of the big payment processors i.e. places like CCBill, are in the US so it’s more important to play by the US’ rules than anywhere else so Affiliates and what have you can continue to be paid.
i’ll have to find it, but there’s a fascinating journalistic podcast about how pornhub’s position as the tech giant of the porn industry happened effectively the same as every tech giant: not as a labor of love to advance something, but as a cold blooded disruption of a market to establish a new oligarchic overlord of a market sector. pornhub’s position as an invasive species in the sex work ecosystem has made sex work far less humane than it was before. moreover, sex workers, given their complete lack of societal protection given our legal criminalization of their profession, are more vulnerable to the whims of a modern robber baron
As someone who witnessed them eating up ALL their competition first hand, you’re right. They bought EVERYONE out. in my time in the adult industry I worked for 3 separate companies and Manwin bought them all. TWICE I was offered a job by them and to move to Montreal after being laid off from two companies that they bought and both times I turned them down simply because of their reputation within the industry.
One company I worked for was named Twistys/Pink Visual based in Toronto and they were bought by Manwin. A few people I know decided to move to Montreal to work at pornhub since they worked on Gaytube, SexTube, TrannyTube, etc and would be in charge of those sites at pornhub. They all moved back to Toronto within the spawn of a few months because it was a horrible place to work. Pornhub has always presented itself online as cool and hip to modern trends but behind the scenes it’s anything but. I mean all the cool statistics and stuff they constantly present was built on the back of a guy from Tucson Arizona that worked for another porn company there that they bought. They promptly fired him after he essentially taught them his tools. Dude moved to Montreal from Arizona and everything. uprooted his family to move to Canada. He lasted maybe a year.
There was also a point where the adult actors were looking to unionize. It was largely spear headed by Sasha Grey. Manwin/Pornhub in part was very quick to squash that.
Super interesting. If you can find that episode, I’d love to give it a listen.
it’s a multipart series. i was able to find the title but not a feed or a link. it’s titled The Butterfly Effect
Based on 404media’s coverage of Girls Do Porn, I feel like PornHub can hardly be described as not being “unregulated and sketchy and extreme”.
Long story short, PornHub knowingly cooperating with a porn producer operating on the basis of institutionalized rape for years. Lots of women have committed suicide in the wake. The ringleader of the network PornHub cooperated with was recently sentenced to 27 years in prison. I’m of the personal belief that PornHub executives should have been brought in to keep him company—they are as guilty as anyone in this. I really doubt that Girls Do Porn is a unique story in anything else than the fact that it ended up before the courts.
That or using a VPN
Traffic, however, stayed the same.
I would think that the percentage of people who do not watch porn, but have access to it, is a very small number. This is about moral shame and control. Don’t buy into it…there is nothing morally wrong with masturbation. The sexual drive in an animal is natural. Let your freak flag fly.
Who’d have guessed that teens alone were keeping the porn industry alive?
/s right? Because it’s obvious people wont age verify for porn, when there’s a thousands alternatives.
@sabreW4K3 this might sound like self interest, but wouldn’t there be more frustrated guys walking about now?
