Now I understand why at each windows 11 update, they introduce more bugs than ever
It shows
Stole it as if I wrote it
“30% of my pants is pooped”
Yeah, I can tell every time I have to use that dinosaur of an OS.
Satya Nadella has given an evasive answer there and both Zuckerberg and the journalists have been taken in.
It is common in programming languages that have a lot of boilerplate to use code generation, where you take some information about data and generate code automatically, like code that translates data between formats (for example reading and writing xml for saving to disk or json to send over the network). Being very routine to write and easy to deduce logically from other information, this process has been automated for years and years, long before AI existed.
Microsoft’s flagship software such as operating systems, office software, is unbelievably vast and complex, far beyond the complexity of most business software, and has been developed over decades. They absolutely have not replaced 30% of their code since the very recent advent of useful AI. I can believe that 30% of it is automatically generated, but not by AI.
Windows is 95 percent pure bloat now imo, an os just needs to handle my hardware and launch my programs anything else is just eating my resources.
I don’t need any assistance from anything while my phasers and quantums aren’t doing anything. I don’t need AI doing anything when I finally get the proper setup for crashing a Tomcat into a big old mountain that only a fool would miss. I don’t need any bloat while I’m ripping off an old cartoon character for a D&D campaign.
Wonder how much of Windows 10 was written by Stack Exchange?
How much of Linux is?
If you count all of my contributions, 0%.
None of my contributions have been included. I am a terrible programmer.
And its all Teams.
Are they including stuff written by intellisence and boiler plate for legacy code?
Does that mean that Microsoft shares are gonna crash?
Horseshit.
The current state of code generated by AI is sketchy at best. I often get plain wrong answers because the model tries to derive. It comes up with calls to functions and properties that just do not exist.
“You are right, I made a mistake. Here is a better answer.” Continues to give wrong answers.
Apart from that, apps that are glued together from AI generated code are not maintainable at all. What if there is a bug somewhere and you so not comprehend what is actually happening? Ask AI to fix it? Yeah good luck with that.
I do use AI for simple questions, and it works fairly well for that, but this claim by MS is just marketing bullshit.
I do use AI for simple questions, and it works fairly well for that, but this claim by MS is just marketing bullshit.
This is my experience. It can be useful for simple things that used to be found with a web search before AI slop broke things. For example, I was having trouble getting a simple CGO program for a POC to communicate with the main Go process. This should have been solvable easily with documentation but the CGO docs are pretty bad and sample code was near impossible to find due to AI slop in the search results. GPT was able to provide the needed sample code to unblock me.
This ^
“20%-30% of code inside the company’s repositories”
Now, if they had said “20%-30% of code written in the past 6 months…” I might buy that.
The repositories are going to have all the current codebase, likely going back years now. AI generated code is barely viable at this point and really only pretty recently.
No way 1/3rd of all current codebase is AI.
Even 20% of new code would be a stretch unless they count every first iteration of code written by AI that needs to be replaced by a human later because it was plain wrong.
Maybe they’re counting the six iterations of code it gives me as I tell it what’s wrong with each one.
20% of code = 20 lines of production code.
They mean new code, as per the article. And they mean code gen and IntelliSence
“Please move all comments from in-line to the line above, and add a separator line”
They say that because they are selling it.
And yeah, my experience is the same. The most frustrating is when writing in a typed python, and it gives answers that are clearly incorrect, making up attributes that don’t even exist etc.
My brother said his superior asked him to use more AI auto complete so that they can brag to investors that X percent of the company’s code is written by AI. This told me everything about the current state of this bullshit.
I didn’t RTA, but if they mean ALL code at MS, that just can’t be true. They have legacy stuff going back decades, beyond just their windows platform. There’s no way 30% of all their code is replaced or newly created by AI.
“You are right, I made a mistake. Here is a better answer.” Continues to give wrong answers
The exact same wrong answer. Co-Pilot is especially bad for that. I’m practically giving up using it outside of vs code because the actual copilot AI is dog shit stupid m
It would explain the constant barrage of system breaking bugs and RCE vulns
Turns out they have been using AI for decades.
“Auto complete generated 30% of characters”
Fixed it.
“You are right, I made a mistake. Here is a better answer.” Continues to give wrong answers.
To be fair, the AI’s not wrong. It’s probably better, but just a teeny tiny bit so.
Honestly, AI is like a genie - whatever you come up with he’ll just butcher and misinterpret so you start questioning both your own sanity and the semantics of language. Good thing these genies have no wish limit, but bad thing that they murder rainforests while generating their non-sequitur replies.
Ah but it was nice for a minute imagining microsoft vibe coding windows…
He used the words “written by software”. This is ambiguous and doesn’t mean AI, for example, using annotations for variables and generating the getters and setters would count. Right click and create function body for interface function definitions also.
They’re exaggerating to pretend their AI is more useful than it is.
Intellisense in visual studio has also been really good for over a decade. Which is technically also written by software and not me.
I mean, really good intellisense is a great improvement, but it’s not replacing devs any time soon.
People have been using annotations to generate code since I rode my dinosaur to work.
Don’t forget code generation for stuff like bindings or database schemes
So the CEO is trying to tell investors that they are saving money by not paying employees. But to me it sounds more like: we are letting our sub-par products continue to enshitify, and any other company using AI to program will be equal competition.
I think he’s trying to say that their AI writes code good enough for Microsoft. Which is a message to other business leaders that your company too can benefit from copilot, just hand over your credit card!
Microsoft has absolutely gotten worse in the consumer space, but that isn’t really their business these days.
They are even worse in the business space for sure.
They’re worse in the business space too. Teams is crashing on me daily.
Teams crashed on me today too! It’s great because it was a meeting with external people, so I had to sit in the waiting room in shame until one of them let me back in.
Good point
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Here’s the list of what they are enshittifying: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_software
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It’s seems more that you don’t really know the definition.
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Imagine simping for a trillion dollar company. Lol
Hmm seems like he do
You look like a very fun person to spend time with (/s)
Windows 11 was much much shittier, idk about the rest of their products, I haven’t used them.
And I switched over to steamOS, so I won’t be using any of their products again.
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Enshittification, also known as crapification and platform decay, is a pattern in which online products and services decline in quality over time. Initially, vendors create high-quality offerings to attract users, then they degrade those offerings to better serve business customers, and finally degrade their services to users and business customers to maximize profits for shareholders.
Yes, we are in the third phase: service to user is free diving in order to increase money to M$ shareholders?
Man, chill. Break the word down.
En - Into / Become Shit - Da poo poo Fication - The process of becoming
Have you not noticed that the Windows search has become a meme for being really useful in windows seven and useless in newer versions because it started
- Searching the web and asking an ai for answers without you wanting that
- In consequence syphoning out each and every search promt
- Displaying fucking ads in the fucking search results
And that’s just one example that’s obvious enough to become a meme
BTW: any form of making a Microsoft product worse for profit of Microsoft is enshittification since they have both endusers and sellers of products that only work on windows/in the Microsoft ecosystem locked in with significant costs tied to leaving.
What products do they have that aren’t?
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You said this a lot, but you seem more like you took offence than like you’re moving on.
It comes across as you dismissing people’s points because they didn’t debate by the rules you invented for them to speak.
It’s not a computer science word, it’s an IT word, and I’m afraid you’re going to have to live with people being a bit imprecise with it.
Why not link to the article coining the term? It’s well written and explains well.
I’ve read the article. Search, Notepad, Teams, Excel.
Outlook is stable
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Excel
They started preloading it on windows start due to bloatware and corporate management bullcrap. There was an article about on lemmy a few days ago.
That’s… not something to be proud of.
Power move by the zucc by first asking how much genai is used at Microsoft then refusing to answer his own question at Facebook 😂
