Wow, so brave.
Courage.
Everything is shitty! 🎶
“What the fuck you gonna do? Use Android?!??! Fuck you and and be happy about it” - Tim Apple, probably
Sundar Pichai: “Huh, well I guess we’ll just follow Tim Apple’s lead and start injecting ads in google maps and anyone who uses google maps API too.”
Doesn’t Google Maps have ads?
Depends on the ads though.
OpenStreetMap for the win, my peoples.
Specifically OSMAnd.
Works perfectly as long as you already know where you’re going!
Google maps only ever knew where you were going because Ingress players and Google “local guides” filled in all the data for them.
Update the out of date data. Its not hard and the more people use it the more accurate the places data will be.
You can complain about why google works better if you want to, but it still does.
Your response also ignores the fundamental problem: even when the data is in open street maps, the search still sucks. No, I didn’t mean any of 20 things in Italy, I meant the Italian restaurant a mile away.
I use OSMAnd and the search is a lot better, not sure what client you are using.
Oh I’m running osmand~ and comaps and magic earth.
And by running I mean I occasionally confirm its still not good enough yet
StreetComplete to help fill in the gaps. GeoShare to translate google/apple maps locations to geocoordinates for OSM, and then adding the place in OSMAnd if you login with the OpenStreetMaps editor plugin. This is how those of us who adopted Google Maps early added so much of their data…
It is a trade off though.
I may not be able to see the “nearest restaurants with reviews of 4 stars that are open now with no wait times” BUT I have been so many places where google or apple had not updated the map yet and only OSM got me where I was going.
So maybe it is fine to open a commercial map or local review site, or blog, or web page, that is not tracking you for store discovery, then put the address in OSM to actually get there.
And take the time to use street complete when you can, it is really easy and fills in things like hours open, accessibility, etc.
And the local community keeps locations up to date
Seen big cities that are great in mapping every flower pot, but have restaurants and shops that don’t exist for over half a decade
The only difference between these maps and their data is the effort by the community to update it. Google doesn’t pay people to update places, they entice them with points and advertising. Google and Apple maps would be no different from OSM if no one updated them
sure. doesn’t change the problem, though
(if more people used Street Complete, it would make the problem a lot better)
Even when they are up to date the search blows.
I tried to find something the other day and just because it’s funny here are the results. The business is called X’s Y but in osm it’s stored as Xs, no apostrophe.
- osmand: no results
- magic earth: finds Xs, fails X’s-- obviously humans recognize this as identical so the current search algo will never reliably find this store regardless of data entry
- comaps: no results, when I added the full real name (X’s Y, it showed me Ya terrace, Y with one letter swapped avenue, etc)
So you tell me, if it can’t find a restaurant for which it has existing data, why is it the users’ fault for not collecting more data?
Whotf even used Apple Maps lol
Honestly, I use it all the time now since I plug in my phone to my car and it’s right there.
It’s fine. Sometimes I use Google Maps. It’s also fine.
I actually like Apple’s approach to describing when to turn. It’ll say stuff like “go past this light and turn at the next” instead of vague shit like “in 1000 feet turn right.” Bitch, I don’t have a tape measure.
I think people who grip about Apple Maps as it is today probably just haven’t used it and want to gripe for griping sake.
LosersPeople deep in the apple ecosystem. There’s a surprising number these days.Apparently the Google maps app on ios is very terrible
Friend of mine showed it to me on a quite recent phone and it’s super stuttery and laggy when scrolling around
This isn’t my experience, and I had a iPhone 12 Pro up until a couple of weeks ago. Google Maps generally ran alright that I can remember.
On the newest phones it’s really smooth, but those phones also have enough horsepower to make pretty much any app run smoothly.
That’s kinda funny considering what garbage applemaps was when it launched. Google just had to not screw up and I guess they did.
Honestly I wouldn’t care about the stuttering and sluggishness.
As much as I hate Google, I will have to admit that Google Maps is one of the best pieces of software ever to exist. I try to use Organic Maps and OSMand but Google Maps is just much upto date, has reviews, has real time traffic updates along with road closures. OSM based maps and Apple Maps is way way way way way behind — atleast in my country.
I actually do when I am using my car that doesn’t have a smart system/android auto/carplay. The reason is that it will ping/vibrate my watch when I am getting close to a turn or action. That way I know something is coming up. Thats about the only time I use it.
I thought people liked using Apple products because of the premium experience that ecosystem provides.
They did. Someone at the top has been ruining that experience lately.
I switched from Google to Apple back in 2018 and the royal fucking up lately is making me start looking at how to go back.
I’m really disappointed with the direction and lack of quality from Apple these last few years.
Same, I had been on android since the OG Droid and switched around the same time for similar reasons.
If Apple is going to charge premium prices just to splash ads on their products I’m moving on again.
The ads don’t bother me as much as the low QA lately. I upgraded to iOS26 and it’s the buggiest product ever. I have the newest iPhone pro/max and it should be able to handle it fine. Siri never works, apps crash, freeze, the interface is extremely ugly to look at (the liquid crap). Just overall it feels half assed.
well bad news, Google is going to be going walled garden soon as well, so the only options for apps will be google-approved ones. you can bet those options are going to quickly enshitify once you don’t have a choice in using them.
I’m getting a Linux phone soon so I can get out of this duopoly entirely.
I’m this close to getting a fucking TomTom. I need something that can do turn by turn navigation in a car, ideally through Android Auto, but nothing good goes on Android Auto anymore.
How long until we crack this protocol anyway so we can use Linux phones with Android Auto?
2026 is the year of the Linux phone
More like 2026 + 10, Linux phones are severely lagging behind, enough so that they are at least 10 years away from having enough adoption for banks and the like to recognize their existence, the annoying truth is that it cannot be mainstream until it is able to use these critical apps with no workarounds as “it works but isn’t allowed” will be the death knell of any amount of mainstream appeal.
I’m so tired of hearing people cry about banking apps. If you’ve got a working web browser you’ll survive.
or do the smart thing and don’t do banking or other incredibly important stuff on a device that is easily stolen
first of all, you can bank in a browser on a mobile phone just fine. second of all, don’t do your banking on your phone. that is a horrible idea and is one of the reasons mobile phone theft is so lucrative, because people are so obliging to keep their entire financial information downloaded to a single device.
one of the reasons mobile phone theft is so lucrative, because people are so obliging to keep their entire financial information downloaded to a single device
[Citation needed]
The most common reason for mobile phone theft is to wipe it and sell it, or just dismantle it for parts.
No common thief is going to be trying to break into an iPhone’s security system to get to someone’s banking data.
It’s amazing how Americans love poking their nose into everyone else’s affairs yet can be so oblivious. For some people a phone is literally the only device they have, they can’t do anything else.
I switched in 2021. I havent noticed any fuckupery. Whats been happening ?
You can name names, it’s Tim Cook, Craig Federighi, Phil Schiller, and Greg Joswiak.
I think it’s more likely just Tim Cook. The buck stops with him. Someone needs to say no to some of this stuff (liquid glass, yearly release schedules, etc.) and that someone should have been him.
I was so hopeful they might just skip one yearly release and focus on bug fixes and technical debt. But then they go and change the name of the version to match the calendar year, and now I’m convinced we’re never going to get a stable iOS again.
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If you’re not paying for it, you are the product; except for with 🍏 and then it’s both.
they did pay 1000$+ phones just to have ads on it.
Just like every Android phone that comes pre-loaded with trash apps you have to delete.
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They didn’t say literally anything about Android or Google…
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Idk what you’re talking about, I program my own OSs in assembly language and solder my own hardware from e-waste. Get gud normie.
Fair enough.
Open Street Maps doesn’t do any of this bullshit.
Oh, well, if Google does it then it must be okay.
Fuck I just started using it because of how horribly shit google maps has become
If you don’t need traffic data, CoMaps (uses OpenStreet Map data).
If you do need traffic data (understandable) Magic Earth is what I use. It’s unfortunately not fully open source, only the map data is from OSM, but I find the navigation good 95% of the time, sometimes you have to make your own judgement for if a route might have bad traffic. At least it’s not Google or Apple, and no ads.
I don’t do car play, so I have no idea about how that works.
I wish we had better alternatives
or that cars all exploded and we went to public transport and walkable citiesSupposedly comaps has carplay support as of like 2 months ago, according to a page on their website
Damn I need to try this
Thanks for the suggestions! I’ll look into it
I don’t use maps often but what’s been going wrong in Google maps? I know whatever Uber/Lyft was using was having a hard time keeping up with local changes (bridges being shut down for months would stay on every driver’s directions), they’d switch to Google to get an accurate map
I uninstalled it when it told me to turn left at the Wendy’s™ instead of a fucking street name. After I missed my turn and got to my destination late, I looked it up and the place it was talking about was visually obscured by another building so I couldn’t have possibly known where to turn. Fuck that noise.
It’s still accurate for directions, but search results and map viewing have gone to shit because of google accepting money to highlight certain businesses - taking up huge chunks of the map with their square icons
I know this is my own personal experience, but diehard Apple fans in my circle have started to say, “Fuck Apple.” I think they’re PR and goodwill is finally running out.
The thing is, Apple getting worse is coinciding with everything else getting worse, too.
for real, fucking everything sucks now.
Steve Jobs, for all his other problems, knew how to run a company and held to the idea that they needed to make good products. He kept the prices fairly low for what they were, and they even decreased over time for many of their products. He wouldn’t allow unfinished products to be released which is a big reason why I always laughed at Android people who claimed “first” with their buggy, shitty versions of the reliable thing Apple made a couple years later.
But then for some reason he let Tim Cook, who had been an idiot at Apple for a long time and Job’s knew it, take over. Since then prices have sky-rocketed and the company has started releasing stuff that just isn’t up to the standards they held in the past. He even took power away from the guy who had come up with Apple’s iconic aesthetic.
Whether or not people want to admit, Apple made excellent products and the customers aren’t nearly as stupid as people want to believe. So when shit like this happens we understandably get pissed because, surprise, many of us actually have been paying attention.
I have a lot of shot to say about Steve Jobs, but he knew what asthetics he wanted. He would loathe the current trend with phones having a camera bulge. Look at all the iPhones released under him, look at the back of them. If they had a camera it was flush with the back of the phone.
sure, but do you think Jobs be okay with a severely underpowered camera or super thick phone compared to the competition? Neither of those things happened under him either.
It’s not that simple to blame Cook for everything that’s different about iphones now. It was a lot easier to stick to rigid principles in the early days when the market was wide open and the tech rapidly maturing every year. They were making money hand over fist just picking off the low hanging fruit of smartphone evolution. They ran out of obvious upgrades pretty much when Cook took over and have shareholders to answer to. Hence more expensive phones, subscription services, and ads.
severely underpowered camera
Bruh, the first iPhone didn’t have a camera
I don’t know if it’s my phone or wifi, when home, but Apple Maps will often be incredibly slow, or just refuse to display tiles when I zoom in or out. Particularly if I change the zoom by quite a bit in one action. It’s very frustrating.
OK, so if I’m on Apple hardware, for now, what’s the best alternative to “Apple Maps”?
OsmAnd Maps, Organic Maps, and Co Maps are all worth looking at.
I’m reportedly getting ready to move to CoMaps.
what do people think of Organic Maps?
It’s pretty good I just wish it had more ads
Awesome! Also Magic Earth. And CalTopo, too!
