there was another article a while back, where a teacher took away a 15yo phone, and beat her with an inch of her life. he was a huge dude and had mental issues, in other schools.
Was it a 15 year old phone? Did the teacher do the beating or was the teacher the big dude with mental issues? What happened in other schools?
The way I interpreted it was a large 15 year old male with mental issues, who was a problem in other schools, became violent when the teacher confiscated their phone.
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A lot of comments in here assuming there wasn’t good reason to restrain the kid. Or that this school exists only to contain kids of parents who can’t be bothered to be there for their kids. That might be true, but it’s just as much of an assumption as the opposite.
My daughter is 10, adopted at 5 from a traumatic past. Last weekend I asked her to do a chore and because she didn’t want to, escalated to assaulting me. Eventually she needed to be restrained because she refused to take simple steps at my suggestion to get herself calmed down and instead attempted to hit, kick, bite, and headbutt me. Maybe you assume this is simply me being a bad parent, but the fact is that I remained calm and only asked her to take the time to calm down with the skills she’s been working on for this kind of thing. The trauma she was exposed to before I adopted her was not my fault, but I have to deal with how that impacts her choices every day. And sometimes that means restraining her, calling the police, or admitting her to residential treatment. None of those are ideal outcomes, but I have to make choices that will keep me, my wife, our son (her biological brother we also adopted), and HER safe. If you had seen the kind of damage she can do, you would also not make the dumbass suggestion to just leave her be; I can assure you, there was not a better option last weekend.
So idk, you could be right: this place could be fucked up and they could’ve had no good reason to restrain this kid. But I don’t think it’s fair to assume that this person deserved to die because they had a teen drop kick them in a school for troubled kids. They were likely doing their best to help this kid and instead got assaulted to death on the job.
You’re doing a great job. Thank you for loving them.
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When I was a kid, I knew a kid who was (presumed) special needs but also EXTREMELY VIOLENT. I remember being in the 3rd grade and seeing him literally being carried away into a side room at school (probably to get him away from someone). And I mean like some teachers had his arms, and others had his legs, literally suspending him in the air because he wasn’t going willingly to any degree.
He was known for biting and clawing. One time, he flat-out just choked me. He was a known entity in the school.
I have no idea where he ended up. I think his mom ended up putting him in a group home or something because she basically couldn’t overpower him anymore, and he made it known he was pissed at her.
we knew a SPED in school, who dint seemed violent at first, but strange occurences only happened after we all graduated from HS. we had no real formal relationship with the guy, but he started showing up at our house and frequently after that. after we had turn away because nobody in the house had any friendships in him, he started geting angry and violent. so we had to call the parent multiple times, last i heard they moved away and he had to put in some healthcare situation. like stuffing our door keyhole with toothpicks(classic stalking killer vibe), and threw a random computer monitor onto the car window and game cartridge went missing. this was like 15+years ago.
Yeah dude. It’s sad, but sometimes a kid is just dangerous to other people. There’s no amount of reason or gentleness that can help. It fucking sucks. I hope he’s doing okay now, and I hope his mom has peace with whatever has happened. It’s so hard to be comfortable with your child being completely unhinged, and the choices you have to make to keep others safe around them.
Yeah dude. It’s sad, but sometimes a kid is just dangerous to other people. There’s no amount of reason or gentleness that can help.
My son is special needs, has/had violent episodes. While this statement might be true, I just can’t agree. I may have given up my career to sit in therapist offices, but I believe every troubled kid deserves a shot. With enough love (and meds and coping skills) one can overcome the sheer angst that lives inside them.
I have absolutely had to ‘hold’ my own child at the school in years past. Shits not for the weak, but I’ve watched him overcome this, and is becoming more successful each year. With enough support, these kids can be successful. The truth is, the parents also need support, and they often don’t have it themselves, so it compounds into deeming the child a lost cause.
I hate when what should happen, doesn’t become what is. But no child is irredeemable. That’s how I feel.
I 100% agree. My “sometimes” meant in-the-moment. Long term gentleness and reasoning is obviously the way to go. But when my daughter is popping off and in full on assault mode, she can’t be “oh I know, doing a thing you don’t like is so tough isnt it?” Out of kicking a fuckin hole in the wall or bruising every one of my limbs.
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Damn, crazy to think a kick the chest by a 14 year old girl could result in death. Fighting is fucking dangerous.
Fighting definitely proves the almost paradoxical notion that humans are both exceptionally resilient and pathetically fragile at the exact same time.
I practice martial arts. I don’t wanna fight anybody ever. Too many variables could spell disaster.
Yup, the first thing you learn in martial arts is that you should never fight.
“Battles are dangerous affairs”.
Yeah, there are very good reasons to assume that anyone who is trying to fight you is also threatening to kill you.
“Therapeutic residential school” is a term that reminds me of elan.school. I don’t know if it’s anything like that, but I know the Elan school wasn’t unique.
Edit: Found this about it on Reddit:
Meadowbridge Academy, Swansea, MA, is run by Justice Resource Institute–an organization that has gotten into trouble for running abusive programs. In 2017-2018, the Disability Law Center (Massachusetts Protection and Advocacy Agency–every state has one) investigated Meadowbridge Academy due to complaints regarding sexual abuse of students and neglect. The DLC report reports that Meadowbridge Academy terminated those involved and has made significant changes in response to this incident. JRI is a member of NATSAP, the trade organization representing the Troubled Teen Industry–an organization no legitimate non-profit would want to be associated with.
Sounds just like tons of other evil “schools” I’ve read about. Lady shouldn’t have died obviously but I’m not gonna fault that kid for fighting back in a place like that. Horrible.
They had my son in a similar program, outplacement, not residential however. It was called High Roads. They have had multiple cases opened against them, and I refuse to let them ever place him there again. The school they had him in was a converted office space in an industrial park. It didn’t even have a gym. They are also for profit, and treat the staff like garbage.
I asked in an interview, how do you help a child who is in crisis, and they showed me their concrete cell. That’s the plan. Just detain the child in basically solitary confinement. My son self harms in this kind of thing, while it will keep other students and staff safe (highly important) it does nothing to help the child’s actual issues.
They tried to place him there again last year, I’ve loved all my son’s teachers, but last year’s teacher was, not great. So when he had trouble, they wanted to put him there again. I said no, and faught them on it with our states advocate program. High Roads the cheapest out placement for the school. When I brought to them other, more expensive, better outplacement options, they fucking folded when I said our compromise could be to keep him in his current in district program. His teacher this year is fantastic, and is so far doing well. Advocate for you kids man. And fuck High Roads and these for profit child prisions.
It’s like locking a misbehaving dog in a cage, and then they wonder why they bite. Its foolishness.
I’m deeply saddened that this event with the teacher losing her life. This is the worst I’ve ever heard. That’s absolutely should not have happened. Many of these schools are not meant to actually help children. They sacrifice the wellbeing of staff and the kids for profit. The system is fucked. And I guarantee you, this tragedy won’t be enough to change anything meaningful.
Damn, this is sad all around.
Except for then part where the person who works at an abusive school for troubled teens died trying to restrain a kid. That part is actually the universe healing itself a little bit.
Baseless assertions, cool, that helps.
Is it an abusive school? I don’t know anything about it.
There is good info posted in this thread, so if you don’t know anything about what you’re commenting on, that’s by choice.
Ok buddy. I made the first comment in this thread and then replied to you… let’s quit with the garbage responses on a web forum meant for sharing information.
I did, however, check those comments after replying to your comment anyway…
There is no info about this school posted in this thread. There are multiple comments about a school people have assumed is similar. But hey, if you don’t know anything about what you’re commenting on, that’s by choice.Edit: No, I was wrong. There was one comment about Meadowbridge, but the comment was also talking about another school, and I misunderstood. My apologies.
How hard were they trying to restrain someone just for leaving a building? I can see extreme measures for someone armed making threats or actively harming themselves, but if they want to leave the building surely there were better options.
That was my first thought too. Physically restraining a person, especially a minor, and even more especially a minor with trauma, is a very serious thing. It was strange to me the article had nothing about why the girl needed to be physically restrained.
But I’m also more suspicious about it because it’s American, I’ve seen (in the news) so many examples of insane authoritarianism in American institutions, where even doing your hair in a non traditional white manner is considered grounds to be expelled.
And numerous cases of calling the police on children “to teach them a lesson”!!!American conditions in institutions are insane just like they are in the rest of American society. because USA as a nation has gone more and more sociopathic and authoritarian over the past 40 years. Might makes right is just one issue, and I suspect the one that could have been at play here? It is quite telling IMO that the colleague doesn’t blame the girl.
It is also weird that she is just described as “a staff member” indicating she has no special training with these sorts of children!
She may have done her best according to her abilities, but this reeks of an institutional failure.Absolutely.
I’ve dealt with some of these schools. You have untrained staff literally yelling, “Do your work now!” To a room full of kids with ODD and others. Then sit back and wonder why it’s not working. Their solution when they become dysregulated is to lock them in solitary confinement until they, calm down.
It’s garbage. It doesn’t work. It is institutional failure, because, well, profits over everything in the United States.
Most likely what the minor did to need to be physically restrained is covered by privacy laws.
What the minor did is covered by privacy, but not that she kicked a person so she died?
Veeery convenient.
This place seems to be a troubled teen “School” probably pulling from fucking Elan. TLDR historically troubled kids were chucked at military school or farming/ranching schools which were closer to residential technical schools than anything else, then came the boom of psychology and a bunch of fuckwads opened up troubled teen schools which can vary from kinda okay nature retreat facilities to batshit insane religious schools which mentally break kids. These places are closer to native American/Aboriginal residential “schools” than anything else and I’m not convinced aren’t somehow directly related.
It’s absolutely insane, here a “pædagog” education is required, and English doesn’t even have a word for that! But suggests kindergarten teacher.
https://www.ug.dk/videregaaende-uddannelser/professionsbacheloruddannelser/paedagog
I used a translator for the first paragraph:
About the training
The training gives you the tools to support people’s development. You learn to work with well-being and give other people good opportunities to participate in the community.A pædagog is trained to work with both children and grown ups.
WTF America? how can you not have a term and an education for that?
We actually do have the same word with a different meaning behind it. I’m just gonna link the Webster site for this one. Since it has little to do with the greater point I shall make.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pedagog
Regardless we do have a term for these usually it’ll be something along the lines of “education councilor” or something vaguely similar depending on what they actually specialize in. We do have folks educated in such contexts be it social workers, guidance councilor, or some other such naming, they just aren’t focused on culturally.
Also don’t assume that just cause English and especially American English dialects doesn’t have dedicated words for a concept doesn’t mean we don’t have the concept. English is at times worse than the other Germanic tongues when it comes to compound wording to the point that some of our words have outright been lost because the compound was more useful.
Edit: Just to add to my point, a lot of these “schools” circumnavigate legal requirements. That’s not even accounting for corruption or political alignment creating cut outs for these facilities. Fun fact unless something has changed Utah has the highest number of these shit holes, because there’s nothing more morally corrosive and abusive than Mormons with money.
This isn’t a normal American school, it’s an place where shitty parents send their unruly kids to be abused.
Which requires specially trained personnel here. But apparently an education that doesn’t even exist in USA?
https://www.ug.dk/videregaaende-uddannelser/professionsbacheloruddannelser/paedagog
I used a translator for the first paragraph:
About the training
The training gives you the tools to support people’s development. You learn to work with well-being and give other people good opportunities to participate in the community.
It was strange to me the article had nothing about why the girl needed to be physically restrained.
It clearly says why, whether or not you agree it was necessary.
Stating she wasn’t allowed to leave is not a reason, why she wasn’t allowed to leave would be the reason.
But trying to leave a house is not basis at all for restraining a person, even if you are told not to.
Sounds like a power-trip to me.If it’s a school for troubled kids, it could very well be to protect the student during the hours they’re supposed to be there, and to protect people outside from them. Letting a raging and troubled person out into the world does not seem healthy or safe. Seems logical to me. They were doing their jobs: protecting the students and other people from the students.
My guess is the grounds around a “residential therapeutic school” are owned by the school.
That would generally be pretty standard for that kind of place.
I could see the kid running a self defense case. Particularly if all they were trying to do was leave and somebody forcibly restrained them.
Hopefully they have camera footage showing this.
I’d say not being allowed to leave a building, and the restraining attempt are indicators of abuse. So yes absolutely self defense.
The victim was 53 years old and it does not take much to break a rib and have the bone stab through a lung or your heart, which can very quickly kill you.
