Because we don’t have regular mass shootings in schools because we don’t give every single person the money for a ticket to a gun show a gun and where we do, we legislate that they keep their gun in a gun safe. You know, like the rest of the world…or the USA in 1792.
It’s not JUST the guns tbh. Everyone in Switzerland has a gun and they don’t shoot eachother up. American society is fucked up on multiple different levels and the guns are just adding extra fuel and oxygen to a forest fire.
Everyone in Switzerland has a gun and they don’t shoot eachother up. American society is fucked up on multiple different levels
Whenever i mention the Swiss having as many guns as the US, if not more, and yet the former has practically zero mass shooting incidents, and pointed out the problem of America is cultural, Americans tend to turn a blind eye to it.
We “tend to turn a blind eye to it” because “cultural problem” is primarily used as a racist dog whistle.
If your intention was to point at the underlying cause, you need to be talking about systematic impoverization, lack of generational wealth, devaluation of labor, etc.
That makes sense from an outside perspective, sure. But your criticism was about Americans turning a blind eye to the “cultural” problem.
Within the US, blaming gun violence on “culture” means pointing out that 13-17% of the population commits (and are the victims of) 55-65% of the murders. Blaming “culture” means pointing out that mass shooters are predominantly white, they also account for less than 1% of all murders.
The Americans broadly adopting your “cultural problem” argument are MAGAts. Normal Americans are turning a blind eye to that viewpoint, rather than being lumped in with those racist pricks.
Yup. I sometimes travel (or travelled for that matter… I’m not going back to that shit hole) to the US and basically everyone there is living an act. It’s so weird and artificial and it all boils down to an “I’m the best and deserve everything, all the others can go fuck themselves” attitude. This is highly toxic and can easily lead to violence. Pair that with how they breathe the most toxic form of capitalism and you have a recipe for the shit show that is the USA. I’m really sorry for all the cool guys over there. There certainly are some fine people, but the majority is completely lost.
Ah but is that not something they opt to do because they feel safe? In comparison, American gun nuts would never do that, they don’t feel safe without their guns.
So that’s part of the same point. They COULD have access to guns and could shoot each other, but nobody wants to. Thus guns are only a problem when there’s other underlying issues.
Because suicides will always be an issue. Guns just make it easier. How many mass shootings have the swiss had though? Switzerland has a “List of mass shootings” article on Wikipedia. The US has a “ListS of mass shootings” category. The US list for 2018 alone is significantly longer than Switzerland’s list starting with 1905. I realize that Switzerland has a smaller population, but the per capita rates have a large discrepancy too. Something like a 9x difference.
It’s not a dumb comparison because it shows that in a healthy society, people don’t try to murder each other even given the chance. The fact that Americans buy guns for “freedom” is a symptom, not the root cause of all issues.
That’s why I never tell anyone outside of my immediate family that I own a firearm. Because some weird fucking people in America exist. And they are gun nuts.
No bro, I don’t want to talk about your 300 blackout how you wish someone would bust into your house so you can shoot them.
I keep my shit in my safe, that’s it. It’s not a personality.
Same. Very few people know I own one and have a concealed license. Made sure the gf knew how to shoot and that she wouldn’t hesitate to use it if necessary. But that’s it. Been locked away at least since Valentine’s last year when we went to shoot.
honest question: then why do you own one?
I get self defense, of course, but doesn’t the fact of owning a firearm make you part of gun culture?
or am I missing something?
No, you’ll know gun culture when you see it. The people that put the stupid stickers all over the car, the firearm brands, the calibers, stuff like that, becomes a major part of their personality.
Like the other commenter said, you would never know that I even own a gun unless we were pretty damn close.
I don’t really have a solid answer for you. I think it started growing up where my dad had guns, rifles, in the army but he was super protective of them, he wouldn’t show them to us, he wouldn’t let us see them at all, he wouldn’t teach us about them so I was just genuinely curious. So when I moved out that was the first thing I bought.
And I hated the gun laws here, you can buy and sell guns just like you’re selling a car, just do a bill of sale. There’s no background check for secondhand guns. i bought my first one at a metro stop in DC area, rode the train out, guy pulled up to the metro parking lot and we traded. i mean we took pictures of each other’s IDs and did a bill of sale, but beyond that, nothing.
Mine doesn’t really ever come out of lockup unless we’re camping or going on a long road trip. I haven’t carried it in years and I think my license might even be expired at this point. I’m not scared, maybe wildlife, I’m near the Appalachian Mountains. I don’t carry it around to intimidate anybody, or try to use it for coercion. But I guess the fascination has just always been there since it was withheld growing up.
Too late now unfortunately. The people who’d need to give up their guns, will never do so voluntarily. The actually responsible gun owners might give theirs away though.
It’s media, education and the political system that need to change. It won’t.
Because we don’t have regular mass shootings in schools because we don’t give every single person the money for a ticket to a gun show a gun and where we do, we legislate that they keep their gun in a gun safe. You know, like the rest of the world…or the USA in 1792.
It’s not JUST the guns tbh. Everyone in Switzerland has a gun and they don’t shoot eachother up. American society is fucked up on multiple different levels and the guns are just adding extra fuel and oxygen to a forest fire.
Whenever i mention the Swiss having as many guns as the US, if not more, and yet the former has practically zero mass shooting incidents, and pointed out the problem of America is cultural, Americans tend to turn a blind eye to it.
We “tend to turn a blind eye to it” because “cultural problem” is primarily used as a racist dog whistle.
If your intention was to point at the underlying cause, you need to be talking about systematic impoverization, lack of generational wealth, devaluation of labor, etc.
Being American is not exclusive to black people and thus American culture has a country-wide problem in relation to guns.
That makes sense from an outside perspective, sure. But your criticism was about Americans turning a blind eye to the “cultural” problem.
Within the US, blaming gun violence on “culture” means pointing out that 13-17% of the population commits (and are the victims of) 55-65% of the murders. Blaming “culture” means pointing out that mass shooters are predominantly white, they also account for less than 1% of all murders.
The Americans broadly adopting your “cultural problem” argument are MAGAts. Normal Americans are turning a blind eye to that viewpoint, rather than being lumped in with those racist pricks.
Oops, replied to the wrong comment, lol.
Because a gun is cheaper than mental healthcare.
It’s more than just mental healthcare. American society is just broken in so many ways.
Yup. I sometimes travel (or travelled for that matter… I’m not going back to that shit hole) to the US and basically everyone there is living an act. It’s so weird and artificial and it all boils down to an “I’m the best and deserve everything, all the others can go fuck themselves” attitude. This is highly toxic and can easily lead to violence. Pair that with how they breathe the most toxic form of capitalism and you have a recipe for the shit show that is the USA. I’m really sorry for all the cool guys over there. There certainly are some fine people, but the majority is completely lost.
In Switzerland most people give their state issued gun away when they are not serving. So almost nobody has a gun at home.
and when they had guns, they were highly trained. They didn’t carry them loaded in their purses so their toddlers could play with them.
Ah but is that not something they opt to do because they feel safe? In comparison, American gun nuts would never do that, they don’t feel safe without their guns.
all 37 of them
Yeah it is their choice.
So that’s part of the same point. They COULD have access to guns and could shoot each other, but nobody wants to. Thus guns are only a problem when there’s other underlying issues.
But since US has the issues, you should lock guns away.
Aye, but when all the lunatics already have guns and you remove the guns from the responsible citizens, is that putting people in more or less danger?
I think it’s too late at this point to solve this one via gun control.
Nope, Switzerland had one of the highest rates of gun suicides before measures were taken.
Gun suicides or suicides in general?
Because suicides will always be an issue. Guns just make it easier. How many mass shootings have the swiss had though? Switzerland has a “List of mass shootings” article on Wikipedia. The US has a “ListS of mass shootings” category. The US list for 2018 alone is significantly longer than Switzerland’s list starting with 1905. I realize that Switzerland has a smaller population, but the per capita rates have a large discrepancy too. Something like a 9x difference.
As I said gun suicides.
And guns are a big part of the problem. Science has proven that over and over.
Yes America has other problems. For example not accepting that it is not in a healthy enough mental state to own guns.
It’s a dumb comparison, as their reason for owning guns is entirely different and tied to national defense, not self-defense and “freedom”
It’s not a dumb comparison because it shows that in a healthy society, people don’t try to murder each other even given the chance. The fact that Americans buy guns for “freedom” is a symptom, not the root cause of all issues.
Also crazy as they don’t really have that much freedom. They’re slaves to capitalism.
Still shows the problem is the Americans rather than the guns
As a gun owner in USA, I fucking hate gun culture.
That’s why I never tell anyone outside of my immediate family that I own a firearm. Because some weird fucking people in America exist. And they are gun nuts.
No bro, I don’t want to talk about your 300 blackout how you wish someone would bust into your house so you can shoot them.
I keep my shit in my safe, that’s it. It’s not a personality.
Same. Very few people know I own one and have a concealed license. Made sure the gf knew how to shoot and that she wouldn’t hesitate to use it if necessary. But that’s it. Been locked away at least since Valentine’s last year when we went to shoot.
how do you use it in a home invasion in the middle of the night if it’s locked up and unloaded?
honest question: then why do you own one?
I get self defense, of course, but doesn’t the fact of owning a firearm make you part of gun culture? or am I missing something?
No, you’ll know gun culture when you see it. The people that put the stupid stickers all over the car, the firearm brands, the calibers, stuff like that, becomes a major part of their personality.
Like the other commenter said, you would never know that I even own a gun unless we were pretty damn close.
I don’t really have a solid answer for you. I think it started growing up where my dad had guns, rifles, in the army but he was super protective of them, he wouldn’t show them to us, he wouldn’t let us see them at all, he wouldn’t teach us about them so I was just genuinely curious. So when I moved out that was the first thing I bought.
And I hated the gun laws here, you can buy and sell guns just like you’re selling a car, just do a bill of sale. There’s no background check for secondhand guns. i bought my first one at a metro stop in DC area, rode the train out, guy pulled up to the metro parking lot and we traded. i mean we took pictures of each other’s IDs and did a bill of sale, but beyond that, nothing.
Mine doesn’t really ever come out of lockup unless we’re camping or going on a long road trip. I haven’t carried it in years and I think my license might even be expired at this point. I’m not scared, maybe wildlife, I’m near the Appalachian Mountains. I don’t carry it around to intimidate anybody, or try to use it for coercion. But I guess the fascination has just always been there since it was withheld growing up.
And until our societal issues are solved, the guns need to go back into Pandora’s box.
Too late now unfortunately. The people who’d need to give up their guns, will never do so voluntarily. The actually responsible gun owners might give theirs away though.
It’s media, education and the political system that need to change. It won’t.
back to 1776
Erm, wut?
In America you can bypass gun checks in most checks if you buy your gun from a Gun show.
Yes… but what does that have to do with the country allegedly giving every single person the money for a ticket?
I forgot a word: We don’t give everyone with the money for a ticket to a gun show…
Ah, that makes more sense.