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Well, someone had to say it, so here I go:
inhales
If piracy isnt owning, then buying isn’t stealing?
wait i messed it up
A+ for effort lol
Courts will say “no, that’s not what we meant by that” and will slap you silly.
AI companies aren’t on the side of copyright reform or abolition, they just want an exception for themselves so they can keep doing whatever they’re doing now. (And they also want more IP laws to cover the current grey areas, so they can stop pretending to give a damn about open models)
The post isn’t a sound legal argument, but it is an ethical one.
Yeah, well, Law and Ethics are two separate things which - very rarely these days - seem to cross each other. This is known.
Hmm…
If I illegally download college course text books I could also technically pirate a whole ass education. Just won’t have a degree.
Unless… Can I pirate that, too? 🤔
Educating computers 😇
Educating people 😡
If you train a local LLM and let that LLM write your thesis for you, it’s fine.
Having the material doesn’t mean you know it unfortunately. You could probably give yourself a PhD level of education yourself with resources publicly available, but you would need to be able to learn on your own, and putting together the curriculum would be a problem since you are starting as a novice at whatever subject it is.
however, the curriculum is also often publicly available
Totally, when I want to learn a new subject in my field I will go find a uni course with a public curriculum and use that to help my studies. It also lets you find books that have ostensibly accurate information
All you need to do is print it, forge the signatures and input it in the national registry. Should be doable.
True but it is only legal if you are a multi billion dollar company that could have paid for it, but didn’t choose so.
If you can’t afford it you should rot in Guantanamo for ever!
It’s also ok if you are using it in an effort to make workers obsolete and upend the entire economy.
Yeah. Thats good. All law violations excused to do that. Also you get all the water if you’re trying.
Oh, so I should get a positronic brain?
My dyslexia turned that into post ironic brain and that works too
I like post-ironic. That’s when satire doesn’t work any more because real life is worse.
Step 1: positronic brain
Step 2: make a fuck-ton of clocks
Step 3: profit
education is a fair use exception, too
I don’t know if it’s different in the US, but here the downloading isn’t punished, it’s the sharing that gets you in trouble.
Our government allows ludicrous control to rights holders. I don’t own any copies of movies, for example, even discs. Disney owns the physical discs. I just have them in my home. I own the right to play the discs in certain ways. I’ll bet policies will be updated to clarify that Disney doesn’t approve of, “training AI”.
But it’s the same here. If you aren’t actively doing anything that upsets rights holders, they’ll leave you alone.
What country?
US. Apologies, edited before posting and removed that key piece of information.
I don’t think you’re correct about them owning the disk, unless you mean in the sense there are things you believe you should be able to do that you aren’t. You can own a book, but it doesn’t mean you hold the copyright.
When laws do not work for most of the people is it worth following in the first place?
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They spent a lot of money and political capital to train their AI just for it to get leaked back to the masses.
If only every AI company scraping the internet would have their model be given back to the people. It’s the minimum they could do.
So I can cover a song and distribute it, right? Right??
No, but you can learn it
So then I guess I can learn the song, write down the notes from memory, and play that cover. It’s all gone through a neural network and so it’s all fine, right?
I’m not an AI fanboy, but this is kinda a lame take. If the AI produced the same song it heard it would be a cover, sure, and subject to copyright, yes. But most of the time the AIs produce something that is similar to but different from its input.
So yeah, if you listened to a bunch of AC/DC and then wrote a song that sounded like it could be an AC/DC song but isn’t an AC/DC song, that wouldn’t be copyright infringement.
Can I bring to mind Vanilla Ice vs Queen?
7 notes (2 different ones) were enough for copyright infringement.
The bar for copyright infringement my humans is incredibly low. All you need to infringe on copyright is that your work is “derived” from a copyrighted source work. If you take an original song and change it so that in the end every single note is different, it’s technically still a derived work and still copyright infringement (though it becomes hard to prove that at that point).
If you use the same rule for AI, everything an AI ever outputs is derived works. If you removed all original works from the AI training sets, the AI would do nothing at all.
But for some reason even if the AI outputs whole chapters of books word for word (which most good LLMs can), it’s for some reason not a copyright infringement.
The only reason that’s the case is that the involved judges have no technical understanding and let themselves be bamboozled by fancy new tech. Or because of money exchanged between AI corporations and judges.
Okay hang on. Yes, Ice Ice Baby and Under Pressure don’t have a lot of notes in common, in terms of absolute note count, but when the songs come on, the layperson doesn’t know which is which. Any normal person would listen to 10 seconds of Ice Ice Baby and go “oh yeah, that’s Under Pressure by Queen”.
So yeah, if there’s a prompt that people can use to trick an AI into spitting out a chapter verbatim that’s interesting, but I would say minor infringment. No one is going to read a Ton Clancy novel by systematically tricking the AI to spit out each entire chapter one after the other, and it’s presented to essentially an audience of one, the promoter.
But if I was to take that chapter, the one it spit out verbatim, and put it as a chapter of my book that I published, then yeah, definitely I could be sued for copyright, even if I didn’t do it willingly. Because people would read it and go “oh totally, that’s Pelican Brief”
You are arguing that people not being able to differentiate two songs by a 10 second snippet is bad enough for copyright infringement, but spitting out full chapters is ok because nobody is going to read a full book that way?
Nobody’s going to listen to a Queen song in 10 second snippets either. The intro is similar, but after the intro the song is entirely different. Nobody would mistake e.g. the verse or the refrain of Ice Ice Baby with Under Pressure. It’s two entirely separate genres.
So if the intro sounding kinda similar is in issue, then outputting the intro of a book should be just as bad.
But if I was to take that chapter, the one it spit out verbatim, and put it as a chapter of my book that I published, then yeah, definitely I could be sued for copyright, even if I didn’t do it willingly. Because people would read it and go “oh totally, that’s Pelican Brief”
That’s what I don’t get. If I download a book illegally off piratedbooks.to (made up URL), then not only I but also piratedbooks.to will be liable for the copyright infringement, and generally piratedbooks.to will be much more liable because they are commercially distributing pirated goods.
Now if I ask ChatGPT to output copyrighted content (an action that isn’t much different than “asking” a piracy platform’s website for the content by clicking the “download” button), then OpenAI is for some reason not liable at all for that because it was all me doing this. Even though their platform provided the pirated content.
So, I memorized all the binary digits in the waveform of a Metallica song and wrote it down from memory.
Unfortunately I’ve got a bad memory so I had to do them one digit at a time, but technically I didn’t copy anything, I only wrote down my own memories, right? Also, my handwriting is worse than my doctor’s so I chose to write it on a computer.
The funniest thing happened when I accidentally opened this text file in Winamp. It almost sounded like music, except that the drums were played like shit.
So, don’t release albums, release tutorials?
