The 18-year-old high school student said she unzipped her hoodie to show she had breasts after a Buffalo Wild Wings server didn't believe she is a woman.
Telling someone to leave someplace isn’t assault. The person was clearly an asshole/bigot, but she didn’t ask the lady to show her boobs to prove she was a woman, she told her she had to leave because she can’t be in there.
“Mudra said she felt she had to prove to the server that she is a woman, so she unzipped her hoodie to show she has breasts.”
No one said “show them or leave”.
When she went to the restroom, a server followed her inside and banged on the stall door while saying: “This is a women’s restroom. The man needs to get out of here,”
Right after your quote:
The server didn’t say anything in response but left the restroom
Yes, I’m completely sure she wasn’t forced to prove her gender. To accuse others of not reading the article, while actively not reading the article is certainly a move.
Not OP but I am, dammit. “Leave” is not the same as “piss yourself” or anything like - there is no consequence of any kind tied to it, so what is exactly being forceful here? Shit, the girl could just verbally assault the idiot and then leave. No forcing here, stop it, situation is already awful, no reason to add fantasy to it.
Being forced to leave the premises is not being forced to flash breasts. And as I said, situation is terrible, no need to add sexual predation fantasy to it
She wasn’t forced to flash her breasts. (I mean wrong choice of words as flash implies nudity, which isn’t what happened). she was forced to have someone berate her because they thought she was a man. What right did that server have to follow someone into a bathroom and declare they are a man and need to leave? What proof did the server have?
The bottom line is you are the one sexualising this. She didnt flash, she unzipped her hoodie to show that there were breasts under her shirt. The issue is she shouldnt have to have done that to get that server to leave her alone. What alternative did she have? And dont say she could leave because thats bullshit. She doesn’t have to leave. The server needed to leave.
“Mudra said she felt she had to prove to the server that she is a woman, so she unzipped her hoodie to show she has breasts.”
No one said “show them or leave”.
I do, I think this is more bigotry that has become commonplace because of Republican rhetoric against trans people. The law is dumb and the server trying to enforce it is probably a bigot and a terrible person.
That being said, people are reacting to the headline. The person I was responding to was correctly pointing out that the headline is misleading. It’s easy to point out how bigoted these laws are without completely fabricating information (like the headline is doing).
Pointing out misinformation does not automatically mean the person is defending the actions. Pointing out misinformation is how we keep from becoming like Republican voters, living in a world build out of lies and spin. Downvoting people who are pointing out that you’re being lied to is ignorant and actively makes the misinformation problem worse because it deranks the comments that would help people be better informed.
If you want to litigate the headline, here’s the snippets from the article.
From the article:
When she went to the restroom, a server followed her inside and banged on the stall door while saying: “This is a women’s restroom. The man needs to get out of here,” […]
when she came out of the stall at Buffalo Wild Wings and told the server, “I am a lady,” she said, the server responded, “You have to get out now,”[…]
Mudra said she felt she had to prove to the server that she is a woman, so she unzipped her hoodie to show she has breasts. The server didn’t say anything in response but left the restroom
The server didn’t ‘force her to prove her gender’, the server banged on the door and said that men couldn’t be in the restroom (which, again, is bigoted and enraging). The woman came out of the stall and unzipped her hoodie to show her breasts to the server who left without saying anything.
The headline is clearly incorrect and written to amplify outrage (in order to drive traffic for ad revenue)
So an adult confronted a child in the restroom, banging on the door and demanding she prove her sex. The implied threat was that if she didn’t, she would be thrown from the restroom or the restaurant entirely.
You are using a deliberately thick-headed definition of “force.” The word “force” does not literally mean physical force. It means coercion, manipulation, requiring someone to do something against their will for fear of consequences.
I’m taught courses before. I don’t "force " my students to take exams. I’m not going to go to their home and frog march them at gunpoint into my classroom to take my exam. But anyone in my class is forced to take any exam I give, if they wish to pass the class. It’s optional in a philosophical sense, but not in the practical sense.
You’re splitting hairs because this is a trans-related topic, nothing more.
We don’t know the age of the server and 18 is an adult in the US.
banging on the door and demanding she prove her sex.
These are the only recorded statements of the server based on the victim’s testimony.
“This is a women’s restroom. The man needs to get out of here,” […] “You have to get out now,”
Which of these sentences is 'demanding she prove her sex?
The implied threat was that if she didn’t, she would be thrown from the restroom or the restaurant entirely.
There was no ‘if’ (see the two sentences above), she was told to get out of the restroom.
I’m taught courses before. I don’t "force " my students to take exams. I’m not going to go to their home and frog march them at gunpoint into my classroom to take my exam. But anyone in my class is forced to take any exam I give, if they wish to pass the class. It’s optional in a philosophical sense, but not in the practical sense.
They are required to take the test, you do not “force” them. If someone said ‘Teacher forces children to take test’, the implication is that they didn’t have a choice because you are forcing them.
Here too, the woman was not “forced” she chose to show her breasts. Forcing implies the inability to do otherwise. The people in the comment section are reacting to the headline as if the woman had no choice but to show her breasts to the server. This is not true.
You’re splitting hairs because this is a trans-related topic, nothing more.
🙄 In the courses you taught, did you force your students to learn the term ad homenim?
Isn’t that just called assault?
Yes.
no its called “Making America Great Again™”
In general, it is then appropriate to respond with a pepper (spray)
Someone pulls that shit on one of my kids and theyre getting sprayed alright. .45 acp is close enough to capsaicin right?
Telling someone to leave someplace isn’t assault. The person was clearly an asshole/bigot, but she didn’t ask the lady to show her boobs to prove she was a woman, she told her she had to leave because she can’t be in there.
That’s the words in the title but not what the article actually says what happened.
Says that she had to show her breasts or leave. Are you really going to argue the difference in this and “forced”?
Slaves weren’t forced to work! They clearly had a choice to not work and be harmed or killed, as well!
“Mudra said she felt she had to prove to the server that she is a woman, so she unzipped her hoodie to show she has breasts.” No one said “show them or leave”.
Right after your quote:
Yes, I’m completely sure she wasn’t forced to prove her gender. To accuse others of not reading the article, while actively not reading the article is certainly a move.
Nope. They just said “leave” this woman felt that the only way to be able to stay and have a piss was to show her chest.
And we’re defending this why?
I have no clue why they’re defending it, or you for that matter.
Not OP but I am, dammit. “Leave” is not the same as “piss yourself” or anything like - there is no consequence of any kind tied to it, so what is exactly being forceful here? Shit, the girl could just verbally assault the idiot and then leave. No forcing here, stop it, situation is already awful, no reason to add fantasy to it.
Not being able to use the bathroom is being forced to leave the premises.
This is no different than having whites only restaraunt.
Being forced to leave the premises is not being forced to flash breasts. And as I said, situation is terrible, no need to add sexual predation fantasy to it
Yeah, and ICE doesn’t arrest people, they detain them.
Same energy.
You really don’t get it?
She wasn’t forced to flash her breasts. (I mean wrong choice of words as flash implies nudity, which isn’t what happened). she was forced to have someone berate her because they thought she was a man. What right did that server have to follow someone into a bathroom and declare they are a man and need to leave? What proof did the server have?
The bottom line is you are the one sexualising this. She didnt flash, she unzipped her hoodie to show that there were breasts under her shirt. The issue is she shouldnt have to have done that to get that server to leave her alone. What alternative did she have? And dont say she could leave because thats bullshit. She doesn’t have to leave. The server needed to leave.
You failed history class didn’t you?
you’re either being a thick troll or are a fucking idiot.
“Mudra said she felt she had to prove to the server that she is a woman, so she unzipped her hoodie to show she has breasts.” No one said “show them or leave”.
“felt she had to prove” / the young woman was accosted in a private place and after TELLING THE PREDATOR TO LEAVE, the predator REPEATED the demands.
you’re a fucking monster if you can’t see through this. go fuck yourself.
What would you have done to make the server leave you alone? Short of proving your gender
Fling poop over the door. Handful of dookie solves a lot of problems.
It will also put you in trouble with law enforcement.
They can have fistfulls of dookie too.
Username checks out.
STOP ASKING PERFECTLY REASONABLE QUESTIONS!
START ANSWERING MY ABSURD ONES BUT ONLY WITH THE ANSWERS I WANT!
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They don’t want to know what happened, they want to be angry.
If the headline is more enraging than the article, they’ll believe that instead.
You don’t find the article enraging?
I do, I think this is more bigotry that has become commonplace because of Republican rhetoric against trans people. The law is dumb and the server trying to enforce it is probably a bigot and a terrible person.
That being said, people are reacting to the headline. The person I was responding to was correctly pointing out that the headline is misleading. It’s easy to point out how bigoted these laws are without completely fabricating information (like the headline is doing).
Pointing out misinformation does not automatically mean the person is defending the actions. Pointing out misinformation is how we keep from becoming like Republican voters, living in a world build out of lies and spin. Downvoting people who are pointing out that you’re being lied to is ignorant and actively makes the misinformation problem worse because it deranks the comments that would help people be better informed.
If you want to litigate the headline, here’s the snippets from the article.
From the article:
The server didn’t ‘force her to prove her gender’, the server banged on the door and said that men couldn’t be in the restroom (which, again, is bigoted and enraging). The woman came out of the stall and unzipped her hoodie to show her breasts to the server who left without saying anything.
The headline is clearly incorrect and written to amplify outrage (in order to drive traffic for ad revenue)
Would she have been left alone if she hadn’t proven her gender?
So an adult confronted a child in the restroom, banging on the door and demanding she prove her sex. The implied threat was that if she didn’t, she would be thrown from the restroom or the restaurant entirely.
You are using a deliberately thick-headed definition of “force.” The word “force” does not literally mean physical force. It means coercion, manipulation, requiring someone to do something against their will for fear of consequences.
I’m taught courses before. I don’t "force " my students to take exams. I’m not going to go to their home and frog march them at gunpoint into my classroom to take my exam. But anyone in my class is forced to take any exam I give, if they wish to pass the class. It’s optional in a philosophical sense, but not in the practical sense.
You’re splitting hairs because this is a trans-related topic, nothing more.
We don’t know the age of the server and 18 is an adult in the US.
These are the only recorded statements of the server based on the victim’s testimony.
Which of these sentences is 'demanding she prove her sex?
There was no ‘if’ (see the two sentences above), she was told to get out of the restroom.
They are required to take the test, you do not “force” them. If someone said ‘Teacher forces children to take test’, the implication is that they didn’t have a choice because you are forcing them.
Here too, the woman was not “forced” she chose to show her breasts. Forcing implies the inability to do otherwise. The people in the comment section are reacting to the headline as if the woman had no choice but to show her breasts to the server. This is not true.
🙄 In the courses you taught, did you force your students to learn the term ad homenim?