My initial reaction is that it perpetuates the perception that women are inferior. As in, if I were in a professional environment competing for promotion with men, I sure as shit would be doing my absolute best to avoid having to take any menstruation leave.
Very on brand for modern conservative south-east asian country. You can appear to be accommodating to women while actually building barriers.
I don’t know Thailand’s rules, but for many women, menstruation is a big deal. For many it’s a minor onvonvenience, for others is painful and debilitating, especially with things like endometriosis. Having specific leave would be beneficial for many. I’m sure it is at risk of being abused, but more likely, some women never use otz some use it occasionally and some more frequently. I’m sure sick leave could be used elsewhere, but then they would run out for other illnesses.
Perhaps we should consider additional sick leave for all people with a chronic condition, rather than a blanket one for women related to one aspect of their health.
I get what I consider moderate periods, based on unscientific comparisons with friends. I had to go to the hospital once, and last year it put me on the ground, with shallow breathing, sweating, nausea for the better part of an hour.
The important thing is that mine only seems to be awful if I’m not doing anything. I know it’s not like this for everyone, but I’ve never been stricken down by cramps while in a rush at work or while physically exerting myself (I suspect cramps are correlated with flow speed and physical exertion or stress cause them to drop off at those times, but that’s entirely based on my own experience). It can be debilitating, but likely wouldn’t preclude me from being just as theoretically able to help in any given situation as a man.
I sure would benefit from not having to use sick time to cover for the very rare occasions that I get bad cramps before I go to work though.
Maybe a dumb question, but if those are the risks you face, why not just take the pill every day? As in, skip the placebos.
My first wife had crippling menstrual cramps, toughest woman I’ve even known couldn’t get out of bed. Her doc put her on extra birth control, done, never had a period again.
Fuck the pill, lol. My sex drive completely drops off a cliff, I gain a bunch of weight, and I’m tired all the time. Plus, the period I get after I stop is the really painful one.
As the other commenter said, it does increase your risk of some cancers, but it also reduces your risk of other cancers, so I don’t know enough to choose which ones.
Well crap. I’d heard something about that, but it’s been nearly 20 years, thought it was an old-wive’s tale. Ex’s doctor told her there was zero risk, but again, that was 20 years back.
Sure, but I’m sure you can imagine what would happen if your managers are almost exclusively male, looking for ways to exclude women from the boys club, and you take menstrual leave a few times a year.
I suspect it would still be better than if I disappeared into the bathroom on a quiet workday and came out a couple hours later, sweaty and having obviously cried.
I do take sick leave in general less often than male coworkers and partners have, so I’d probably just highlight that in my year end meeting.
It’s essentially medical leave because of women’s biology. I can’t imagine the mental hoops you jumped through to conclude that this is only appearing to accommodate women but actually it’s building barriers.
I’m not sure how much time you’ve spent in South East Asia, and Thailand specifically, but professional roles are heavily male dominated, old boys clubs, pay gaps, et cetera.
If an employee takes “menstrual leave”, that’s an easy way for male dominated management to suggest that women aren’t suitable for higher level roles because they are unpredictable and less physically capable.
It’s pretty easy to imagine these mental hoops honestly.
But women are already suffering from menstruation pain and taking time off, this would just allow them to be paid. Companies that are already male dominated are obviously already discriminating and don’t need any tools to do so…
Male dominated management can already suggest that women aren’t suitable for higher level roles because they are unpredictable (that’s not true), and they can already claim they are physically less capable so I’m not sure what your point is. I haven’t worked in Thailand because I’ve never had a visa that allowed working. Not sure what your experience is. Maybe look at Johnny Cash’s links that show that Thailand is top 3 in the world for women in executive rolls.
Your statement “Very on brand for modern conservative south-east asian country. You can appear to be accommodating to women while actually building barriers.” implies that the purpose of this change is actually to build barriers for women, which isn’t true. It’s obvious that the purpose is to help women- do you have any proof of your claim?
You’re really focused on corporate executive roles but you know most women don’t have jobs like that.
I would like to see initiatives like these in more countries. I think it sets a good example and it shows they are doing many things right.
I’ve never heard of it before.
As a guy, I need to hear a woman’s opinion, but …
My initial reaction is that it perpetuates the perception that women are inferior. As in, if I were in a professional environment competing for promotion with men, I sure as shit would be doing my absolute best to avoid having to take any menstruation leave.
Very on brand for modern conservative south-east asian country. You can appear to be accommodating to women while actually building barriers.
I don’t know Thailand’s rules, but for many women, menstruation is a big deal. For many it’s a minor onvonvenience, for others is painful and debilitating, especially with things like endometriosis. Having specific leave would be beneficial for many. I’m sure it is at risk of being abused, but more likely, some women never use otz some use it occasionally and some more frequently. I’m sure sick leave could be used elsewhere, but then they would run out for other illnesses.
Perhaps we should consider additional sick leave for all people with a chronic condition, rather than a blanket one for women related to one aspect of their health.
I have a trans friend (mtf) who has definitely abused these before
I’ve also called in sick when not actually sick. Wow, there’s two of us. Maybe you should pass my details to your friend so we can compare notes.
Is this the first time you’re learning about menstruation?
Have you ever even serpent, apple, and Eve?
Why do you have to be such an ass about it?
Gender bias is a real thing.
Duder, you opened your mouth and shit fell out. Next time think before you speak shit or don’t get mad when people call your shit-speak what it is.
I get what I consider moderate periods, based on unscientific comparisons with friends. I had to go to the hospital once, and last year it put me on the ground, with shallow breathing, sweating, nausea for the better part of an hour.
The important thing is that mine only seems to be awful if I’m not doing anything. I know it’s not like this for everyone, but I’ve never been stricken down by cramps while in a rush at work or while physically exerting myself (I suspect cramps are correlated with flow speed and physical exertion or stress cause them to drop off at those times, but that’s entirely based on my own experience). It can be debilitating, but likely wouldn’t preclude me from being just as theoretically able to help in any given situation as a man.
I sure would benefit from not having to use sick time to cover for the very rare occasions that I get bad cramps before I go to work though.
Maybe a dumb question, but if those are the risks you face, why not just take the pill every day? As in, skip the placebos.
My first wife had crippling menstrual cramps, toughest woman I’ve even known couldn’t get out of bed. Her doc put her on extra birth control, done, never had a period again.
Fuck the pill, lol. My sex drive completely drops off a cliff, I gain a bunch of weight, and I’m tired all the time. Plus, the period I get after I stop is the really painful one.
As the other commenter said, it does increase your risk of some cancers, but it also reduces your risk of other cancers, so I don’t know enough to choose which ones.
Well, in my case it’s because those pills exacerbate the chances of getting cancers my family is prone to…
Well crap. I’d heard something about that, but it’s been nearly 20 years, thought it was an old-wive’s tale. Ex’s doctor told her there was zero risk, but again, that was 20 years back.
Sure, but I’m sure you can imagine what would happen if your managers are almost exclusively male, looking for ways to exclude women from the boys club, and you take menstrual leave a few times a year.
I suspect it would still be better than if I disappeared into the bathroom on a quiet workday and came out a couple hours later, sweaty and having obviously cried.
I do take sick leave in general less often than male coworkers and partners have, so I’d probably just highlight that in my year end meeting.
It’s essentially medical leave because of women’s biology. I can’t imagine the mental hoops you jumped through to conclude that this is only appearing to accommodate women but actually it’s building barriers.
I’m not sure how much time you’ve spent in South East Asia, and Thailand specifically, but professional roles are heavily male dominated, old boys clubs, pay gaps, et cetera.
If an employee takes “menstrual leave”, that’s an easy way for male dominated management to suggest that women aren’t suitable for higher level roles because they are unpredictable and less physically capable.
It’s pretty easy to imagine these mental hoops honestly.
But women are already suffering from menstruation pain and taking time off, this would just allow them to be paid. Companies that are already male dominated are obviously already discriminating and don’t need any tools to do so… Male dominated management can already suggest that women aren’t suitable for higher level roles because they are unpredictable (that’s not true), and they can already claim they are physically less capable so I’m not sure what your point is. I haven’t worked in Thailand because I’ve never had a visa that allowed working. Not sure what your experience is. Maybe look at Johnny Cash’s links that show that Thailand is top 3 in the world for women in executive rolls.
Your statement “Very on brand for modern conservative south-east asian country. You can appear to be accommodating to women while actually building barriers.” implies that the purpose of this change is actually to build barriers for women, which isn’t true. It’s obvious that the purpose is to help women- do you have any proof of your claim?
You’re really focused on corporate executive roles but you know most women don’t have jobs like that.
I would like to see initiatives like these in more countries. I think it sets a good example and it shows they are doing many things right.
What are you talking about?
https://wikigender.oecdcode.org/index.html%3Fp=1746.html
https://www.grantthornton.co.th/press-releases/press-release-2020/women-in-business-2020-report2/
https://www.nationthailand.com/blogs/thailand/general/40036456
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-25/women-gain-ground-in-thai-c-suites-not-so-much-in-government
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