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The official support for Windows 10 ends on Oct 14, 2025. Give new life to your old computer. Save money and install Linux: https://endof10.org/
Have they tried not being spyware?
Imo, even taking away the spying thing, windows design is just awful and they somehow manage to pile up fuckups and poor choices as they release new OSs.
Stop forcing shit no one wants on your users then!
Every fucking update… Hey let’s backup your stuff. Hey wanna backup your stuff? Let’s backup your stuff! We totally won’t hold it hostage if you stop paying us lol!
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I successfully upgraded from Windows 10 to Linux Mint.
The risk for both general and corporate business users far outweighs any minor inconveniences of moving to a new OS version.
Minor inconveniences like HAVING TO BUY A WHOLE NEW FUCKING COMPUTER.
These people live in a fantasy world.
Other minor inconveniences may include:
- AI spyware on systems (a very real issue with corporate and government machines)
- Legacy software not working in the new OS
- A drastic decrease in OS productivity
- Damage to hardware (potential as reported)
Left out being nagged to death about other products and services microsoft thinks you should buy.
Oh but that is a feature!
What? Don’t you guys have money?
Replace that with “will never”…except at work because most* CEOs are stupid.
Microsoft was successful in convincing me to upgrade to Mint however.
I’m glad I’ve done away with Windows and Word/ office products for a very long time. Good riddance
I upgraded from Windows 11 to EndeavourOS. No regrets, it’s a huge improvement.
I mean… they force to upgrade people to OS with critical SSD issues.
Had to use Rufus to even install it on a ThinkPad which works perfectly. Drivers and all.
Maybe they should stop trying to be like Apple. You can’t limit upgrades then complain about no one upgrading.
They’re not limiting it because they’re worried about performance or drivers.
They’re limiting it because they want to force people into SecureBoot, TPM, and CPUs with several remote control management firmware, because this way they’re one stop closer to a fully closed down chain from boot to OS which allows for aggressive DRM and no escape from their ecosystem. Just like at how iOS works and the path Android has been going for the last five years.
The fact the PC ecosystem is open is a left over from the origins in the era before capitalism realized that trapping people into their digital landscapes was profitable, and they have been trying everything to make this go away. Microsoft’s wet dream is your PC becoming the same as your smart TV: a data harvesting, ad filled generic piece of hardware that can only display what they want you to see.
Hear hear. I know people are propagandized against jumping to a Linux distro, but honestly its been the best jump of my life. So many like Ubuntu, Mint, and Fedora are really just plug-and-play.
It’s not even about profits, they have all the money and leverage in the world, that’s the point of a fiat state mandated and backed currency. It’s about control and censorship and brainwashing. They want to make sure you only have a few corporate controlled choices. They want to make sure your children are being brainwashed by their algorithms and the influencers they support with their ad revenue.
I’m upgrading to Debian 13 instead, since 13 is bigger number than 11 so obviously it’s better
My first pc had windows 95 and it was indeed vastly better then todays corporate shite
Remember how much people HATED Win95? They still moved to it to escape DOS, but still. Loads of hate.
I do, but that’s because windows 95 was a lot less stable than 3.1(1). It deserved the hate it got and wasn’t really ready until Windows 98 came out.
A good chunk of people went from 3.1(1) to 98.
Not really, the prospect of getting my own computer at all brought immense excitement and i didn’t know what words like “operating system” and “software” even meant.
I can imagine it though since i got comfortable with using the terminal, a gui feels more and more like bloat.
Way ahead of you on Mint 22 or something like that
Fedora 41 is like being decades in the future.
Arch’s version number is so large, it cannot be shown.
This is why I upgraded my Windows 10 laptop to a Fedora 42 one. 42 is obviously the biggest. And thusly better than Debian.
Just wait until you learn about Windows 2000
You’ll likely need to purge your Nvidia drivers after upgrading to 13, I had two machines fail to start NvidiaPersistence.d.service (or something like that) which caused the machines to fail on boot-up.
Reinstalled the drivers with
sudo apt install nvidia-driver nvidia-cuda-dev nvidia-cuda-toolkitif you’re looking for raytracing don’t forget to installlibnvoptix1.
The virtual machine I installed windows on to play games with kernel-level anticheat and other such spyware apparently isn’t compatible with windows 11. That’s a positive for 2 reasons, which are:
- It can’t run Windows 11, so no risk of a forced upgrade
- Windows won’t constantly harass me to upgrade.
10/10 experience, would not give give Windows access to bare metal again.
Can you do this with a single GPU?
I sidestepped to Mint. Sorry, Microsoft, your shit’s untenable and disappointing.
That is what I am planning on doing as well. I am not going to install their ad-, bloat- and surveillance-ware.
Me too? I just switched a few days ago and I’m shocked how easy things have been.
Aside from some generic brand hardware I’ve got, most stuff just works. Main issue is not being able to use my Xbox controller wirelessly at the moment.
Bluetooth connect it then steam will automatically use steam input I believe.
Yeah my Bluetooth chipset isn’t supported by the drivers. It connects but isn’t detected properly. I’ll grab a dongle in future
Get a 8bitdo wireless adapter, it’s better then native Windows support as well.
I did the same and using Windows at work is slowly becoming unbearable.
Same! Even converted a couple of Surface tablets over as well. Id like to try Pop Linux on one of them just to see, but can’t get em to boot from USB.
I did too on my laptop but on pc I’ll probably just stick with windows 10, I’d rather deal with security vulnerabilities then ai in my OS
Proton’s good, by the way. If gaming is holding you back, at least.
I tried but I should probably figure out how proton works and try that
Proton is integrated with the Steam app in Linux, so usually you just install the game and then run it from Steam and it just works in Linux even though it’s a Windows game, without you having to know anything about Proton.
Similarly you can use something like Lutris or Heroic which does the same for Wine and game stores like GOG (it’s even integrated with the store and downloads the game for you, same as the Steam app does for the Steam store).
For some games you might have to learn enough to tweak settings, though for Steam and Proton that’s often just changing the Proton version you’re using for a game in its game launch settings in Steam, which is hardly complicated.
The need to really understand what’s under the hood is generally only when leaving these standard paths: for example if you’re trying to run a pirated version of a game (which might even be for perfectly legit reasons: for example one of my Steam games won’t run in Linux no matter what I do, but the pirated version works fine, probably because of the DRM in the official version) or some old obscure game CD you have around, as the scripts in Steam, Lutris or Heroic that silently configure Proton/Wine correctly for a game might not at all exist for those unofficial or older installers.
Yeah that last paragraph really hit the nail as to why I struggle with Linux gaming, especially playing games I downloaded off itchio too
Thanks for your advice though it is appreciated
If you’re willing to learn to use an atomic distro (meaning you can’t install stuff the normal way and the OS filesystem is read only), Bazzite is fantastic, has steam and proton pre installed and has been working amazing for me for a few months so far.
Yeah the thing is alot of the games I want to play arnt on steam so sadly that wouldn’t work out well for me, thanks for the suggestion though
You can normally add it to steam to see if proton will work, or if not, you could use heroic, lutris, or bottles, although normally if it doesnt work under proton and there isn’t a premade wine prefix in lutris or heroic, it will take some tinkering.
Which games are you worried about?
Pirated games or games downloaded off itchio mostly
so good that i actually get more fps than i did so on windows
Look into https://0patch.com/
Keeps you secure without having to pay Microsoft another red cent
Thank you for this
If you must use windows, and might want to upgrade to 11, lets say, for certain games, this project Flyoobe will help create a windows 11 install without all that bloat and ai
I would recommend for people not to install W11 just for a tiny handful of games. Most work on Linux. If they want to specifically add things to make it only work on Windows you shouldn’t reward them by following along. Find better games to play.
The longer people play along with their game the longer they try to force people onto Windows. Until they are forced to support Linux you shouldn’t support them.
Yeah, well… When the kids want to play Valorant with their friends, it is hard to tell them that thats too bad, because they dont support Linux.
Thats a noble principle but it doesn’t really work when the game is an older or somewhat obscure one without much developer support left. Especially online games that have some fuckery preventing them from running via proton/wine.
I know it’s more of an edge case, but theres dozens of us holding onto some shitty 20-year old MMOs
Most older games work fine. It’s usually the newer ones that are the issue, with kernel level AC. For games to not work requires an active choice most of the time now. Of course, there are some exceptions.
Thank you the link is much appreciated :D
But admit one of my major grips with windows 11 is it’s extremely ugly looking, and I don’t really think there is any way to remedy that
You can replace the default windows UI with an alternative shell like Open Shell (here’s a list). Not sure how reliable this works.
Mhmhmmmh I might try this thank you :}
Take their ESU extension to get one last year of W10 update. At least it gets you time to see if you can migrate on linux maybe.
I’m planning on moving to the IoT edition of windows 10 when support ends. It’s supported till 2032. Hopefully by then the professional apps I need will be sorted out on Linux.
Hmhm for sure
They’re not trying to get me to upgrade my OS, they’re trying to get me to buy a whole new fucking system for no good reason. Every last one of them can die in a fire.
And that’s before we consider that Windows 11 is actually a downgrade.
