“DA says…” This is not the author making that assessment, it’s the DA. Naturally the DA is going to say he killed the guy, same as I do, or anyone making Luigi memes does.
There’s no obligation for a reporter to insert “allegedly” where it was not stated.
Nope, I’m saying it’s been prevalent on Lemmy and that everyone who created, shared or upvoted that content has absolutely no basis for going “Presumed innocent!”
If you think Luigi’s a hero, you have no basis for saying he didn’t shoot and kill thr guy.
Mangione has not admitted to the act nor has he been convicted. He has a right to the presumption of innocence. The state must prove his guilt. Trial by public opinion in the media is not a replacement for a jury of his peers. That is an elementary democratic principle, not a conspiracy theory.
Of course he’s not going to admit anything, he’s not a dummy. But it should be obvious to anyone with 1/2 a brain he’s the shooter, the only question is “was it justified?”
In that regard, he seems to be winning the battle for public opinion and has been even before he was ID’d.
You cant say for sure it’s him in the video, and while cops say he had a bunch of evidence on him, they also say they didn’t find that evidence till after the chain of custody was violated. Nothing in his backpack is admissible.
Like, this is America bro, corrupt cops isn’t anything new. They lie all the time, you can’t fault the majority of Americans for not caring what they say as a result.
It’s not up to you or me to say what’s admissable or not. The gun in the video is the gun in the backpack. If you want to argue the cops planted it, then you have to explain how they got it.
“Marked shell casings from the assassination scene match the gun found on the suspect. His fingerprints match some key items investigators found nearby. And he was arrested this week – after going silent from his mom and friends for months – with a fake ID and a handwritten “claim of responsibility” referencing the crime site.”
Lemmy isn’t a court of law, neither is the Internet. It’s pretty much universally accepted he killed the guy, if it wasn’t, we wouldn’t have the hero worship.
What the court is going to decide is if he’s justified or not.
Any conspiracy theory is going to do some heavy lifting explaining how the highly custom pistol in the video is not the same highly custom pistol found on Luigi.
Exactly. Looks a lot like they found the gun near the scene of the crime, and then planted it in his backpack. That makes a lot more sense than him hauling it and an incriminating manifesto with him for several days. If he wanted to do the manifesto thing he’d have left it at the scene of the crime. None of that evidence makes sense.
There is nothing here stating Mangione has been convicted of anything.
“after Luigi Mangione killed CEO Brian Thompson” is the problem - he allegedly killed that guy
“DA says…” This is not the author making that assessment, it’s the DA. Naturally the DA is going to say he killed the guy, same as I do, or anyone making Luigi memes does.
There’s no obligation for a reporter to insert “allegedly” where it was not stated.
It’s apparently too hard to have proper journalism I guess.
“DA alleges…”. There fixed it
And the DA is wrong for saying that, alongside the reporter for not correcting them.
You sound like the type of person Brandolini’s Law is based on.
If you ever created, shared, or upvoted a Luigi meme, then you agree with the sentiment.
Do you have some evidence to suggest that they’ve created shared or upvoted such a meme?
Nope, I’m saying it’s been prevalent on Lemmy and that everyone who created, shared or upvoted that content has absolutely no basis for going “Presumed innocent!”
If you think Luigi’s a hero, you have no basis for saying he didn’t shoot and kill thr guy.
You’re making speculations about random commenters to justify speculations about Luigi
I’m addressing the hive mind who simultaneously believes Luigi is a hero but also somehow did not kill a guy.
Both of those statements cannot be true at the same time.
Lemmy loves Luigi and cannot stand the idea that he’s anything but an avenging angel sent from heaven.
If you believe that, you can’t also believe he didn’t kill anyone.
This is different from the common phrase “he didn’t do anything WRONG.” Which recognizes that, yeah, he killed the guy, but it was justified.
It’s saying he murdered the CEO, when he has not been proven/convicted of doing so. How are you a moderator making decisions like that?
If nobody believes he killed the CEO then everyone needs to immediately retract all the Luigi memes.
It’s clear he shot the guy, the only question is how justified it is.
It’s clear he shot the guy because people make memes??
No, people make memes because it’s clear he shot the guy.
I agree that “DA says…” is equal to “alleged,” but you lost the thread with “it’s clear he shot the guy.”
There are two groups of people:
People who think Luigi’s a criminal who needs to be imprisoned or executed.
People who think Lugi’s a hero who was fully justified in his actions.
Both groups agree he killed the guy. There is no argument outside tin-foil-hattery that he didn’t.
The only question remaining is if it’s justified or not.
Mangione has not admitted to the act nor has he been convicted. He has a right to the presumption of innocence. The state must prove his guilt. Trial by public opinion in the media is not a replacement for a jury of his peers. That is an elementary democratic principle, not a conspiracy theory.
Of course he’s not going to admit anything, he’s not a dummy. But it should be obvious to anyone with 1/2 a brain he’s the shooter, the only question is “was it justified?”
In that regard, he seems to be winning the battle for public opinion and has been even before he was ID’d.
I keep half expecting this moment at trial:
https://youtu.be/mCjBspxuUmU
It’s really not…
You cant say for sure it’s him in the video, and while cops say he had a bunch of evidence on him, they also say they didn’t find that evidence till after the chain of custody was violated. Nothing in his backpack is admissible.
Like, this is America bro, corrupt cops isn’t anything new. They lie all the time, you can’t fault the majority of Americans for not caring what they say as a result.
It’s not up to you or me to say what’s admissable or not. The gun in the video is the gun in the backpack. If you want to argue the cops planted it, then you have to explain how they got it.
Occams Razor - Luigi failed to ditch the gun.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/12/us/unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooting-suspect-thursday-hnk
“Marked shell casings from the assassination scene match the gun found on the suspect. His fingerprints match some key items investigators found nearby. And he was arrested this week – after going silent from his mom and friends for months – with a fake ID and a handwritten “claim of responsibility” referencing the crime site.”
https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/28/us/luigi-mangione-evidence-illegal-search
It might be the gun.
It might even have been in the backpack and Luigi just had it on him.
But it doesn’t matter, the cops pulled a Mark Furhman. They’re not used to having to follow the law, so they fuck up high profile shit.
Nothing in the backpack will be admissable. And all the evidence was from the backpack.
Ideally. Fruit of the poison tree and all that.
You don’t have a clue if they’re the same gun, shut the fuck up clown
Shell casings from the crime scene match the gun found in the backpack. It’s the same gun. See the cited article above.
If they planted the gun, shell casings wouldn’t be too hard to plant either.
Innocent until some guy on Lemmy says otherwise?
Oh wait, no, it still has to be proven.
Unless you were present at the time, you’ve seen some videos. Perhaps it’s not likely, but videos can be faked, more easily now than ever before.
Proof first.
Lemmy isn’t a court of law, neither is the Internet. It’s pretty much universally accepted he killed the guy, if it wasn’t, we wouldn’t have the hero worship.
What the court is going to decide is if he’s justified or not.
Proceeds to cite general Internet opinion as proof of guilt.
Again, this isn’t about “guilt”. Guilt implies some level of wrongdoing, and the court is still out on that.
The question they will determine is “was he justified”, not “did he do it.”
The court is also going to need to decide if the cops planted the evidence he conveniently carried with him several days later.
Any conspiracy theory is going to do some heavy lifting explaining how the highly custom pistol in the video is not the same highly custom pistol found on Luigi.
What?
Wasn’t it all 3d printed?
I never heard the brand but I’d bet it was an 80% like the vast majority are. There are millions of those guns.
No, nothing was found on Luigi.
He had a backpack and hours after his arrest it was searched after chain of custody was violated, nothing in there is admissable evidence.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/28/us/luigi-mangione-evidence-illegal-search
Even if it was a rare gun, it can’t legally be linked to Luigi, that’s just how our legal system works.
Bonus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXsG6BO292w
Exactly. Looks a lot like they found the gun near the scene of the crime, and then planted it in his backpack. That makes a lot more sense than him hauling it and an incriminating manifesto with him for several days. If he wanted to do the manifesto thing he’d have left it at the scene of the crime. None of that evidence makes sense.
3D printed lower and silencer:
https://coloradoceasefire.org/2025/01/14/luigi-mangiones-ghost-gun-was-only-partially-3d-printed-experts-say/
I should add too… nothing in the headline is saying Luigi “murdered” anyone. The word is “killed” and that’s not the crime.
The act of homicide on it’s own isn’t a crime. The circumstances will determine if it’s murder, manslaughter, etc. etc.
You don’t need a conviction to say someone killed someone else, that part is self evident.
Was it justified? Was it murder? That’s what the courts will determine.