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    23 hours ago

    Innocent until some guy on Lemmy says otherwise?

    Oh wait, no, it still has to be proven.

    Unless you were present at the time, you’ve seen some videos. Perhaps it’s not likely, but videos can be faked, more easily now than ever before.

    Proof first.

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      Lemmy isn’t a court of law, neither is the Internet. It’s pretty much universally accepted he killed the guy, if it wasn’t, we wouldn’t have the hero worship.

      What the court is going to decide is if he’s justified or not.

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        Lemmy isn’t a court of law, neither is the Internet.

        Proceeds to cite general Internet opinion as proof of guilt.

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          Again, this isn’t about “guilt”. Guilt implies some level of wrongdoing, and the court is still out on that.

          The question they will determine is “was he justified”, not “did he do it.”

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        The court is also going to need to decide if the cops planted the evidence he conveniently carried with him several days later.

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          Any conspiracy theory is going to do some heavy lifting explaining how the highly custom pistol in the video is not the same highly custom pistol found on Luigi.

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            the highly custom pistol

            What?

            Wasn’t it all 3d printed?

            I never heard the brand but I’d bet it was an 80% like the vast majority are. There are millions of those guns.

            found on Luigi.

            No, nothing was found on Luigi.

            He had a backpack and hours after his arrest it was searched after chain of custody was violated, nothing in there is admissable evidence.

            https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/28/us/luigi-mangione-evidence-illegal-search

            Even if it was a rare gun, it can’t legally be linked to Luigi, that’s just how our legal system works.

            Bonus:

            Love is not admissable evideeeeeeeeece

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXsG6BO292w

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              Exactly. Looks a lot like they found the gun near the scene of the crime, and then planted it in his backpack. That makes a lot more sense than him hauling it and an incriminating manifesto with him for several days. If he wanted to do the manifesto thing he’d have left it at the scene of the crime. None of that evidence makes sense.

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                I mean, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is…

                It’s very hard to believe this guy just had all the evidence a prosecutor could want, literally in a nice little bag and he was just fucking taking it a long on a bus journey.

                It might have happened, but cops fucking lie.

                If cops didn’t plant evidence, we wouldn’t have to have laws about chain of custody. Rich people get off on tiny loopholes all the time, this is a foundational principle of our legal system.

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                The handgun police say Luigi Mangione used to fatally shoot UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson is nearly as recognizable as the now-famous alleged shooter himself—and shows just how common and lethal these weapons have become.

                So…

                A common 3d printed gun…

                And you sure as shit can’t ID it in the video, that’s just the ones the cops say was in a backpack that they say Luigi had…

                And like I’ve said before, the backpack isn’t admissible evidence.

                Like. You’re operating under the assumption that whatever the police do is ok, and I struggle to understand how an American can have that much faith in the American criminal justice system.

                People get off on way less all the time man, he’s got money and it doesn’t take much to beat reasonable doubt. Especially when the cops fuck up this bad.

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                  Again, admissable doesn’t enter into it. That’s something for the court to determine.

                  It’s plain everyone believes Luigi killed the guy.

                  This is Luigi:

                  There is no question he killed the guy, the only question is justification.

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                    Do you understand that the picture with the hood up is from earlier at a hostel?

                    Your little collage is cropped, but isn’t Luigi wearing a completely different backpack in the one on the right than the shooter is in the middle.

                    You can’t just throw a picture of the shooter in between two pics of Luigi and claim that proves something.

                    Do you have any idea how many people have greenish coats in NYC any given morning?