I always love the cognitive dissonance people have seeing others hope that a man directly responsible for a metric ton of civilian deaths, succumbing to a painful death, is not ethically correct.
I mean people seem to have zero issue with United Healthcare. Exorbitant Healthcare costs is the equivalent of death, but literally bombing hospitals and refugee camps isn’t?
Not to mention that he’ll be receiving the latest and greatest in medical aid anyway, so there’s a fair chance he’ll survive. A lot of geriatric asshat world leaders contracted covid and still lived.
I can’t even tell if this is DNC shilling because several people have implied they would treat Trump the same. Wth kind of moral compass are yall following lol?
The difference between Biden and UH’s CEO is that Biden is retired, so him dying does not help stop the war in Gaza. Are you familiar with the concept of moral desert?
I don’t think like this person, because I simply hate Hitler too much, but I hope some day I can be as sensible as her:
But some effective altruist once wrote that, if she had the option to give Hitler a nice dream — immediately before he died of suicide so it couldn’t strengthen him to commit more atrocities, and secretly so no one would be incentivized to commit the Holocaust — she would. Because she thinks it is good, all things equal, for Hitler to be happy.
Remind me again — Was Biden Israel’s Prime Minister?
It may help to inform your confusion if you start looking at things with a bit more nuance than these stark black-and-white takes. If you want, I can try to walk you down this road.
Biden directly sent the bombs he knew were going to be used to bomb those hospitals to Israel and then lied that those bombs were not being used to bomb hospitals.
So just to be clear: You believe that Biden indeed was fully aware and wanted Bibi to continue bombing Palestinians indiscriminately?
Or is it perhaps more nuanced in that there was a clear erosion of partnership was the months ticked on; that Bibi was clearly trying to get Trump elected because he was starting to get the cold-shoulder form the Biden/Harris administration; that Biden had started to condition aid on the basis of providing access of humanitarian aid into Gaza?
I don’t think Harris or Biden wanted to be associated, nor condoned genocide. But the position Democrats were placed in was bad spot, considering :
a) If they stopped all aid, then Bibi just ignored intelligence or invoked a false flag attack, Democrats would be blamed as leaving Israel defenseless and then news would run with their being antisemitic.
b) We can’t forget that the Jewish American electorate in key battleground states were a larger voting bloc, and distancing too much from Israel would not only risk losing this group (who Musk was already dumping $70 million in attack ads to both Jewish and Muslim communities in Pennsylvania alone with opposite messages) — but also inviting the wrath of AIPAC.
Naturally, the strategic move was to espouse palestinian self-determination and a 2-state solution, say Oct 7th was wrong, to push for more humanitarian aid into Gaza, and to call for increased discretion in targeting inside Gaza — which is exactly what Harris did.
Now, congratulations to couch-sitters and uncommitted movement for not only exacerbating conditions in Gaza, but also being “indirectly” responsible for Russia’s genocide in Ukraine, as well as the erosion of human rights in America for trans and women’s bodily autonomy — as well as addressing the impending crisis of climate change, which need I remind you, will kill far more people in the long-run.
“You can’t be carpet-bombing these communities,” Biden told Netanyahu during a conversation shortly after the Gaza war started in October 2023, according to the outgoing president.
In an interview with MSNBC late Thursday, Biden said that Netanyahu countered that during World War II, the US carpet-bombed Berlin and dropped a nuclear weapon.
Big shoutout to the uncommitted movement and couch sitters for not rewarding genocide. You could learn a thing or two from them if you do not want Trump again
I’m sure the Gazan residents are oh so grateful for this Pyrrhic grandstanding as the blueprints of turning the strip into a Riviera are being written up.
Meanwhile such couch-sitters certainly enabled the genocide of many by ignoring Trump’s association with another war criminal, Putin and his undermining of Ukrainian aid. And again, can’t forget the blood on their hands for being culpable in choosing the one blocking climate change action, right? I guess you’re also not for women’s rights on abortion or LGBTQ+ rights?
(also LOL for using a Turkish state-run media far-right media outlet. Slow clap.)
No no, you see, Biden personally wrote the order to bomb civilians. And Trump, obviously, stopped all the bombing. That’s why these people didn’t vote for Harris. Totally morally justified to cheer on a painful death-by-cancer.
The comparison of Biden to the UHC CEO is disingenuous, because their motivations were completely different. The CEO did it to maximize profit while Biden did it because he thought it was the right thing to do.
I still completely disagree with Biden’s assessment, but it’s very clear he wasn’t doing it for personal gain.
Biden did it because he thought it was the right thing to do.
Biden did it because it was the best option available to him at that time.
He either played ball with AIPAC or got shut down by them. He didn’t have the points to oppose them. It didn’t make it right, there is blood on his hands. In hindsight, he never had a chance and could have at least made a showing to stop it.
If he hadn’t done it, he would have assuredly lost to Trump, who would do it anyway (as we’ve seen). He needed to get in to hit the brakes or it would have been for naught anyway. Harris had the same problem, barely enough points to show, AIPAC would have smothered her as well.
I’d like to say that they would definitely have stopped it if AIPAC wasn’t standing at their neck with a knife, but I don’t know that for sure.
I’d also like to say that if they would have stopped it, we’d all have joined to them and voted our asses off in swing states and made the decision work. But honestly, I have less faith in the US people than I have in the Democrats, and that’s saying something.
I always love the cognitive dissonance people have seeing others hope that a man directly responsible for a metric ton of civilian deaths, succumbing to a painful death, is not ethically correct.
I mean people seem to have zero issue with United Healthcare. Exorbitant Healthcare costs is the equivalent of death, but literally bombing hospitals and refugee camps isn’t?
Not to mention that he’ll be receiving the latest and greatest in medical aid anyway, so there’s a fair chance he’ll survive. A lot of geriatric asshat world leaders contracted covid and still lived.
I can’t even tell if this is DNC shilling because several people have implied they would treat Trump the same. Wth kind of moral compass are yall following lol?
The difference between Biden and UH’s CEO is that Biden is retired, so him dying does not help stop the war in Gaza. Are you familiar with the concept of moral desert?
I don’t think like this person, because I simply hate Hitler too much, but I hope some day I can be as sensible as her:
Sorry, what?
Remind me again — Was Biden Israel’s Prime Minister?
It may help to inform your confusion if you start looking at things with a bit more nuance than these stark black-and-white takes. If you want, I can try to walk you down this road.
Biden directly sent the bombs he knew were going to be used to bomb those hospitals to Israel and then lied that those bombs were not being used to bomb hospitals.
I’d like a source on that, please!
So just to be clear: You believe that Biden indeed was fully aware and wanted Bibi to continue bombing Palestinians indiscriminately?
Or is it perhaps more nuanced in that there was a clear erosion of partnership was the months ticked on; that Bibi was clearly trying to get Trump elected because he was starting to get the cold-shoulder form the Biden/Harris administration; that Biden had started to condition aid on the basis of providing access of humanitarian aid into Gaza?
I don’t think Harris or Biden wanted to be associated, nor condoned genocide. But the position Democrats were placed in was bad spot, considering :
a) If they stopped all aid, then Bibi just ignored intelligence or invoked a false flag attack, Democrats would be blamed as leaving Israel defenseless and then news would run with their being antisemitic.
b) We can’t forget that the Jewish American electorate in key battleground states were a larger voting bloc, and distancing too much from Israel would not only risk losing this group (who Musk was already dumping $70 million in attack ads to both Jewish and Muslim communities in Pennsylvania alone with opposite messages) — but also inviting the wrath of AIPAC.
Naturally, the strategic move was to espouse palestinian self-determination and a 2-state solution, say Oct 7th was wrong, to push for more humanitarian aid into Gaza, and to call for increased discretion in targeting inside Gaza — which is exactly what Harris did.
Now, congratulations to couch-sitters and uncommitted movement for not only exacerbating conditions in Gaza, but also being “indirectly” responsible for Russia’s genocide in Ukraine, as well as the erosion of human rights in America for trans and women’s bodily autonomy — as well as addressing the impending crisis of climate change, which need I remind you, will kill far more people in the long-run.
US President Biden says he urged Israeli Premier Netanyahu to avoid carpet-bombing Gaza
Big shoutout to the uncommitted movement and couch sitters for not rewarding genocide. You could learn a thing or two from them if you do not want Trump again
That is not evidence of your original claim.
Nor is it a refutation to my counter-points.
I’m sure the Gazan residents are oh so grateful for this Pyrrhic grandstanding as the blueprints of turning the strip into a Riviera are being written up.
Meanwhile such couch-sitters certainly enabled the genocide of many by ignoring Trump’s association with another war criminal, Putin and his undermining of Ukrainian aid. And again, can’t forget the blood on their hands for being culpable in choosing the one blocking climate change action, right? I guess you’re also not for women’s rights on abortion or LGBTQ+ rights?
(also LOL for using a Turkish state-run media far-right media outlet. Slow clap.)
You can see the video in the article with the words slow clapper.
No no, you see, Biden personally wrote the order to bomb civilians. And Trump, obviously, stopped all the bombing. That’s why these people didn’t vote for Harris. Totally morally justified to cheer on a painful death-by-cancer.
The comparison of Biden to the UHC CEO is disingenuous, because their motivations were completely different. The CEO did it to maximize profit while Biden did it because he thought it was the right thing to do.
I still completely disagree with Biden’s assessment, but it’s very clear he wasn’t doing it for personal gain.
Biden literally said that he knew that Netanyahu who was using his bombs to “carpet bomb civilians.”
Biden did it because it was the best option available to him at that time.
He either played ball with AIPAC or got shut down by them. He didn’t have the points to oppose them. It didn’t make it right, there is blood on his hands. In hindsight, he never had a chance and could have at least made a showing to stop it.
If he hadn’t done it, he would have assuredly lost to Trump, who would do it anyway (as we’ve seen). He needed to get in to hit the brakes or it would have been for naught anyway. Harris had the same problem, barely enough points to show, AIPAC would have smothered her as well.
I’d like to say that they would definitely have stopped it if AIPAC wasn’t standing at their neck with a knife, but I don’t know that for sure.
I’d also like to say that if they would have stopped it, we’d all have joined to them and voted our asses off in swing states and made the decision work. But honestly, I have less faith in the US people than I have in the Democrats, and that’s saying something.
We’re the good guys. It’s OK when we do it.
No no you see his bombs that killed people and ignoring of COVID was good so being happy is bad.
And Trump’s bombs that killed people and ignoring of COVID was bad, so being happy is good.
Why yes I am morally consistent and not at all blinded by my love of politicians who don’t know I exist or care for me. I’m a good American!!
Don’t say stuff like that
He’s not directly responsible though. Indirectly, sure, but words have meaning.
How’s sending weapons to Israel, when they are incontrovertibly killing civilians, not being directly responsible?