Can’t imagine why people thought you’re fake
Phew! I am extremely relieved to find out those videos are fake.
It’s pretty fucked up of TikTok to have tricked us like that, but I’m sure under Larry Ellison’s new leadership they’ll sort things out.
Now that we know the genocide isn’t actually real, we can all pokemon-go to the nearest AIPAC funded democrat candidate and make sure the oldest, richest, set-in establishment dems remain in power through the midterms! yaaay!
61 million tons of rubble was just made up. It’s all styrofoam brought there by Iran.
I know the topic at hand is not funny but the image of huge, bouncy, floaty syrofoam buildings being dropped rom the air onto Gaza is very funny to me.
Hillary Clinton: People are learning about what happened on October 7th from social media. Some of it is totally made up, some of it not at all representing what they claim to be showing. It’s a serious problem for democracy. Headline: Hillary Clinton Says Young Americans Are Pro-Palestine Because They Watch ‘Totally Made Up’ Videos of Gaza Horrors. Lemmy: Fuck Hillary Clinton. Also, MAGA are fueled by fake stuff they see on social media. Also, we can’t trust mainstream media.
It’s not a matter of being pro-Palestinian, or even who’s right. It’s a matter of being able to have a conversation with enough common ground.
That is where they were learning about what happened on October 7th, what happened in the days, weeks, and months to follow.
You missed the part being referenced in the headline. She isnt just talking about Oct 7 but everything that took place following it. Her complaint wouldnt make sense in any other context, and it’s the same complaint Netanyahu and Blinken have made, too.
Yeah. The media manipulation is real and a society needs to live in the same reality in order to function. Hillary Clinton brought up a totally fair point.
If somebody was denying the holocaust and making this point in the context of that denial, would you respond the same way and say it’s a totally fair point?
Not at all. Thing is, where did she deny anything? Did you read the article?
I’m not American and I’m fully supportive of Palestine and Palestinians, in favour of sanctions on Israel and of the recognition of the Palestinian state. But media manipulation is probably the biggest danger our societies are facing and it’s a problem even on this matter.
It’s pretty clear that this is a denial, I suggest you listen to her speak.
From the article:
“It’s not just the usual suspects. It’s a lot of young Jewish Americans who don’t know the history and don’t understand,” she claimed, adding, “A lot of the challenge is with younger people. More than 50% of young people in America get their news from social media.”
Clinton complained that when she tried to talk to young people “to engage in some kind of reasonable discussion, it was very difficult because they did not know history, they had very little context, and what they were being told on social media was not just one-sided, it was pure propaganda.”
The former first lady concluded, “So just pause on that for a second. They are seeing short-form videos, some of them totally made up, some of them not at all representing what they claim to be showing, and that’s where they get their information.”
If that’s not a denial, what is? Even if there is some amount of propaganda, it’s undeniable the horrors that have occurred. It’s not pure propaganda and she failed to speak to what actually has occurred.
This is literally the same thing as holocaust denial. She’s claiming to be an authority of the history of the region, when in reality the history doesn’t invalidate or excuse what has occurred for over two years against an occupied people.
If that’s not a denial, what is?
Here’s a hypothetical example of what a denial might look like:
“Israel is not committing war crimes in Palestine; everything is by the book and the Palestinians are thankful for having many of their old schools and hospitals demolished to make way for renovations.”
The main difference between the two is that the former statements (attributed to Clinton) are fairly accurate and ostensibly made in good faith, whereas the latter statements (the hypothetical example) are not accurate and have the appearance of intentionally creating a false narrative.
To be clear, I think Hillary is a dogshit human being and I think Israel is committing war crimes every day as they continue to murder civilians with the aid of American military tech and funding. But Hillary isn’t saying anything that crazy here, or at least not in the actual quotes written in the article.
Respectfully, saying, “what they were being told on social media was not just one-sided, it was pure propaganda.” is what makes this denial. It’s fine if you disagree.
Hillary is free to acknowledge what’s happened from a neutral perspective and prove me wrong. But thus far, has she?
That is where they were learning about what happened on October 7th, what happened in the days, weeks, and months to follow.
She includes the actual day of October 7th, and the only possible social media disinformation that day would have been anti-Palestinian, there was like no videos of Israel doing anything vaguely questionable on that day.
She avoids claiming it’s only one side or the other. Zionists could accuse her of October 7th denial just as easily.
I suggest you re-read the article/listen to her speak because she is clearly taking a side. What she’s speaking to is not limited to that day, to the best of my knowledge. If you disagree with the coverage or find it inaccurate, feel free to point out the inconsistencies or distortions.
I didn’t listen, but I read and reread and the thread started with a quote showing the inconsistency and I repeated it highlighting specifically where it could cut the other way.
She carefully avoided taking a side other than social media is full of disinformation. Going for an agonizingly centrist position that fails to condemn either side as bad.
to engage in some kind of reasonable discussion, it was very difficult because they did not know history, they had very little context
I don’t need context to know that it’s wrong to rape an autistic prisoner to death. I don’t need context to know that it’s wrong to bomb cattle and fields in order to starve a population. And why should I listen to Hillary fucking Clinton, the single cause for why open-air slave markets could open in Libya. Fuck her and fuck Bubba too.
Genocide denial in the face of obvious genocide is genocide support.
Clinton remains the de facto head of the centrist wing of the party, and she’s telling everyone the only thing they’ve ever been about.
“Smart, well-educated, young people from our own country, from around the world, where were they getting their information?” asked Clinton during a New York conference hosted by the Israeli newspaper Israel Hayom. “They were getting their information from social media, particularly TikTok.”
She continued, “That is where they were learning about what happened on October 7th, what happened in the days, weeks, and months to follow. That’s a serious problem. It’s a serious problem for democracy, whether it’s Israel or the United States, and it’s a serious problem for our young people.”
This is the quote from Clinton. She’s bringing up the dangers of media manipulation, and this article’s headline kinda proves her point.
All I see is the Queen of the Centrists assuming anyone who disagrees with her must be stupid or gullible instead of absolutely right.
So basically a centrist acting like every other centrist I’ve ever encountered. Dead wrong and arrogant about it.
She doesn’t say anything close to that actually, try to read the article again in a more matter-of-factly way. Your completely legitimate political opinions -I don’t particularly like Hillary Clinton myself- shouldn’t prevent you from judging what she says fairly.
No it doesn’t. She’s blaming social media for actually getting the truth out there. She’s been at the center of US politics for decades, in the White House for a lot of the time. She’s just panicking because the narrative that she’s been part of pushing is crashing down.
Misinformation is a problem, yes. And traditional media also reports misinformation. Here is how responsible actors react to misinformation.
Tiktok is probably a more unbiased source compared to western media.
If that actually is your opinion, then you’re the living proof that Clinton is right. Social media is completely full of disinformation, misinformation and hybrid threats from Russia, China and many more.
Look at the 2024 Romanian presidential election.
Previously, I’d be agitateted that Hilary was expected to meet a higher standard than Trump. She has dissolved her standards to compete. She needs to be excluded from any rational conversation in the same way we would with Trump. Treat them both the same.
Clinton is an identity politics right wing ghoul. Barely better than Trump, but still better along nearly every dimension.
She knew Epstein was raping kids and didn’t tell us.
We nominated her over Bernie Sanders.
The DNC nominated her, not the people. In the 2016 primaries they messed with voting registration so that a few demographics more likely to vote Bernie were suddenly on the independent register. A demographic of Bernie bros that were disenfranchised voted R in the presidential. Biden won in '20 because RNC scaled their efforts based on '16 numbers where DNC stubbed their own toes.
The system is working as intended.
We definitely didn’t nominate her. The DNC secret voters did.
the AIPAC did, plus a little side dish of russia.
This is the political equivalent of saying Jewish space lasers cause hurricanes.
Did any of the young americans watch the death of osama bin laden video? No? It doesn’t exist? Not even a made up one? So, american politics holds on to the truth and all the young americans watch made up crap? Is that it?
Bin Laden had a snuff film? I remember Saddam’s, but not Bin Laden’s.
So who should we be trusting? Billionaire-owned mainstream media? AIPAC-funded politicians? Because surely they wouldn’t be unbiased and would never try to push an agenda. Lol GTFO!
They’re just butthurt that their shitty attempts at cramming their agenda down everyone’s throats is finally starting to show cracks because they can’t hide the truth anymore. The more they double down on their bullshit, the more ridiculous they look.
This bitch and her husband need to disappear off the face of the Earth already.
So few people manage to be hated by everyone in every political camp in America, yet she and Bill mastered it.
I guess the UN was watching the same made up stuff.
She’s in the same camp as Giuliani: A shitty person, who would have had a much better reputation had they just shut the fuck up.
She was always an awful candidate, and the DNC made a HUGE fucking mistake supporting her. But, after Trump, libs would probably joke about her the way they joke about Al Gore. “If only they had won, we would all be at brunch!”
Instead, she pops up every year or two to punch left, remind everyone she sucks, and then does fuck all for anyone until next time.
"You dumb touchy feely kids gotta learn genocide is cool as shit! " -Hilary Clinton
Fuck you Hillary and your pedophile cheating husband. Her ego and arrogance thrusted Trump upon the world.
“It’s not just the usual suspects. It’s a lot of young Jewish Americans who don’t know the history and don’t understand,” she claimed, adding, “A lot of the challenge is with younger people. More than 50% of young people in America get their news from social media.”
Who exactly are the usual suspects Clinton is referring to?
