From the article: Melissa Goodman and Lefever “were extremely obese to the point of being nearly bed-bound, and rarely left the residence.” While the 14 year old nearly starved.
If I was a judge, I’d make sure in jail, they’d all get a similar diet as the one they gave that child.
They’re going to have a bad time in jail. Everyone gets the same portion size which to them will be like being starved because it looks like they used to about 17 meals a day. Plus snacks
They’ll be wondering what happened to second breakfast.
…An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind…
Or, the one-eyed becme the object lessons in what not do so as to get that eye popped out in the first place.
Examples should be made of those who’d eat themselves into near immobile obesity while their mentally handicapped child is starved to death.
There is no touchy-feelying this one into anything remotely civilized. Which is honestly beside the point…
Regardless of whatever internet arguments we may have out here, once the general population in whatever jail they land in learns what they did, a lost eye may be the least of it.
People that abuse children - don’t have a good time in jail.
How many decades does this restitution take to actually make criminally vile behavior stop? I’m no spring chicken and I’ve been waiting for a long time for a train, it seems, that is just not coming.
Fundamentally the issue is that those wretched parents did not care for the child because the girl was handicapped. That’s the kind of spiritual malaise that isn’t going to be easily or ethically changed. It’s hard-wired animal behavior.
The jungle is still where H. Sapeins lives, for all of the lofty proclamations otherwise. Digital watches, indoor plumbing and microwave ovens are only proof of knowledge, not wisdom.
Not saying don’t try… It’s a noble as a grape to do so, but let’s not pretend that we are more than we are at this point in our moral development.
How many decades does this restitution take to actually make criminally vile behavior stop? I’m no spring chicken and I’ve been waiting for a long time for a train, it seems, that is just not coming.
You are at the wrong station.
Please folks, don’t confuse justice with policing, or crime prevention.
Restitution, and in general a ‘fixing the wrongs’ approach to justice, is not about prevention, it is about clean up and repairs. How that is done is a whole discussion about details, but we are discussing principles at the moment.
Prevention: a healthy neighbourhood with embedded nurses, social workers, and active mental health services could have caught this kind of shit. Functional education system would have caught it. Also: see economics for causes, aka material conditions.
Punishment: well cruelty is the point, isn’t it? And you get to participate without guilt.
I don’t believe them getting shanked will deter or prevent other child abusers in any way. Different issue.
Sometimes like with this instance the only thing that can be done is to ensure they do not have the fundamental capacity to inflict such suffering. Take their skulls and let the ravens feast on their corpses, then ensure the victim heals as much as possible.
From the article: Melissa Goodman and Lefever “were extremely obese to the point of being nearly bed-bound, and rarely left the residence.” While the 14 year old nearly starved.
If I was a judge, I’d make sure in jail, they’d all get a similar diet as the one they gave that child.
Until they were almost as small.
They’re going to have a bad time in jail. Everyone gets the same portion size which to them will be like being starved because it looks like they used to about 17 meals a day. Plus snacks
They’ll be wondering what happened to second breakfast.
Cruelty does not demonstrate righteousness.
Retribution may be born of righteousness but the point is to inflict the same suffering. It may not be righteous but it is just.
“Just”
An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.
Restitution works towards material conditions being corrected. Justice requires making things right --conditions, capacities, results.
But revenge is just childish emotional indulgence. Prison is revenge, at its core. I’d like to see victims set right as the main result of sentencing.
Or, the one-eyed becme the object lessons in what not do so as to get that eye popped out in the first place.
Examples should be made of those who’d eat themselves into near immobile obesity while their mentally handicapped child is starved to death.
There is no touchy-feelying this one into anything remotely civilized. Which is honestly beside the point…
Regardless of whatever internet arguments we may have out here, once the general population in whatever jail they land in learns what they did, a lost eye may be the least of it.
People that abuse children - don’t have a good time in jail.
If deterrence worked the US wouldn’t have such a high murder rate and drug prohibition in general would actually work.
Whelp, if deterrence worked the prisons wouldn’t be overflowing. Most murderous bastards are not rational about it.
Ah there it is, the rule of law is subject to the Law of the Jungle ethos.
‘They weren’t civilized, why should I be?’ I have explained this issue to toddlers through teens. That is not how it works.
Restitution vs retribution is not touchy-feely FFS. It’s basic ethics. We need more of that in grade school curriculum, along with history.
How many decades does this restitution take to actually make criminally vile behavior stop? I’m no spring chicken and I’ve been waiting for a long time for a train, it seems, that is just not coming.
Fundamentally the issue is that those wretched parents did not care for the child because the girl was handicapped. That’s the kind of spiritual malaise that isn’t going to be easily or ethically changed. It’s hard-wired animal behavior.
The jungle is still where H. Sapeins lives, for all of the lofty proclamations otherwise. Digital watches, indoor plumbing and microwave ovens are only proof of knowledge, not wisdom.
Not saying don’t try… It’s a noble as a grape to do so, but let’s not pretend that we are more than we are at this point in our moral development.
So yeah, throw the goddamned book at them.
You are at the wrong station.
Please folks, don’t confuse justice with policing, or crime prevention.
Restitution, and in general a ‘fixing the wrongs’ approach to justice, is not about prevention, it is about clean up and repairs. How that is done is a whole discussion about details, but we are discussing principles at the moment.
Prevention: a healthy neighbourhood with embedded nurses, social workers, and active mental health services could have caught this kind of shit. Functional education system would have caught it. Also: see economics for causes, aka material conditions.
Punishment: well cruelty is the point, isn’t it? And you get to participate without guilt.
I don’t believe them getting shanked will deter or prevent other child abusers in any way. Different issue.
Sometimes like with this instance the only thing that can be done is to ensure they do not have the fundamental capacity to inflict such suffering. Take their skulls and let the ravens feast on their corpses, then ensure the victim heals as much as possible.
In cases of extreme child abuse it does.
And this is why you’d never be a judge. You described a punishment that is inherently unconstitutional.
I get it we want to make monsters like this suffer, but that’s not basis for a legal system
Pretty sure that would be considered a cruel punishment
Such a waste of good whale oil. Melt em down to help fund her treatments.
Make sure they are sitting on death row when they do. Fucking monsters.