…An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind…
Or, the one-eyed becme the object lessons in what not do so as to get that eye popped out in the first place.
Examples should be made of those who’d eat themselves into near immobile obesity while their mentally handicapped child is starved to death.
There is no touchy-feelying this one into anything remotely civilized. Which is honestly beside the point…
Regardless of whatever internet arguments we may have out here, once the general population in whatever jail they land in learns what they did, a lost eye may be the least of it.
People that abuse children - don’t have a good time in jail.
How many decades does this restitution take to actually make criminally vile behavior stop? I’m no spring chicken and I’ve been waiting for a long time for a train, it seems, that is just not coming.
Fundamentally the issue is that those wretched parents did not care for the child because the girl was handicapped. That’s the kind of spiritual malaise that isn’t going to be easily or ethically changed. It’s hard-wired animal behavior.
The jungle is still where H. Sapeins lives, for all of the lofty proclamations otherwise. Digital watches, indoor plumbing and microwave ovens are only proof of knowledge, not wisdom.
Not saying don’t try… It’s a noble as a grape to do so, but let’s not pretend that we are more than we are at this point in our moral development.
How many decades does this restitution take to actually make criminally vile behavior stop? I’m no spring chicken and I’ve been waiting for a long time for a train, it seems, that is just not coming.
You are at the wrong station.
Please folks, don’t confuse justice with policing, or crime prevention.
Restitution, and in general a ‘fixing the wrongs’ approach to justice, is not about prevention, it is about clean up and repairs. How that is done is a whole discussion about details, but we are discussing principles at the moment.
Prevention: a healthy neighbourhood with embedded nurses, social workers, and active mental health services could have caught this kind of shit. Functional education system would have caught it. Also: see economics for causes, aka material conditions.
Punishment: well cruelty is the point, isn’t it? And you get to participate without guilt.
I don’t believe them getting shanked will deter or prevent other child abusers in any way. Different issue.
…a healthy neighbourhood with embedded nurses, social workers, and active mental health services could have caught this kind of shit…
Oh, absolutely, it could have. Here’s the rub… If the child was so bad as to be almost non-verbal, the parents could have accessed support. From someone that’s got handicaped family getting support (and it’s shit, TBH, but it’s there), the reality is there ARE systems in place to help - regardless of how mediocre they are - they can help. OR they could have put the child into foster care or just left the kid at a hospital.
This was criminal negligence and raging indifference to the suffering of a child.
I’d love for a social support structure to be fully funded and everyone is vested in making it work, alas the drive to create such a thing is one that the USA has been pushing aside for decades in pursuit of the next quarterly report on earnings.
The economics of America has to change first. That we are at the end stage of capitalism where it is starting to eat itself, may be the leverage point on which change is built, but I do not know. I think it’s going to take a few more decades as those sitting atop the corporate capitalist machine won’t go down without a fight.
Or, the one-eyed becme the object lessons in what not do so as to get that eye popped out in the first place.
Examples should be made of those who’d eat themselves into near immobile obesity while their mentally handicapped child is starved to death.
There is no touchy-feelying this one into anything remotely civilized. Which is honestly beside the point…
Regardless of whatever internet arguments we may have out here, once the general population in whatever jail they land in learns what they did, a lost eye may be the least of it.
People that abuse children - don’t have a good time in jail.
If deterrence worked the US wouldn’t have such a high murder rate and drug prohibition in general would actually work.
Whelp, if deterrence worked the prisons wouldn’t be overflowing. Most murderous bastards are not rational about it.
Ah there it is, the rule of law is subject to the Law of the Jungle ethos.
‘They weren’t civilized, why should I be?’ I have explained this issue to toddlers through teens. That is not how it works.
Restitution vs retribution is not touchy-feely FFS. It’s basic ethics. We need more of that in grade school curriculum, along with history.
How many decades does this restitution take to actually make criminally vile behavior stop? I’m no spring chicken and I’ve been waiting for a long time for a train, it seems, that is just not coming.
Fundamentally the issue is that those wretched parents did not care for the child because the girl was handicapped. That’s the kind of spiritual malaise that isn’t going to be easily or ethically changed. It’s hard-wired animal behavior.
The jungle is still where H. Sapeins lives, for all of the lofty proclamations otherwise. Digital watches, indoor plumbing and microwave ovens are only proof of knowledge, not wisdom.
Not saying don’t try… It’s a noble as a grape to do so, but let’s not pretend that we are more than we are at this point in our moral development.
So yeah, throw the goddamned book at them.
You are at the wrong station.
Please folks, don’t confuse justice with policing, or crime prevention.
Restitution, and in general a ‘fixing the wrongs’ approach to justice, is not about prevention, it is about clean up and repairs. How that is done is a whole discussion about details, but we are discussing principles at the moment.
Prevention: a healthy neighbourhood with embedded nurses, social workers, and active mental health services could have caught this kind of shit. Functional education system would have caught it. Also: see economics for causes, aka material conditions.
Punishment: well cruelty is the point, isn’t it? And you get to participate without guilt.
I don’t believe them getting shanked will deter or prevent other child abusers in any way. Different issue.
Oh, absolutely, it could have. Here’s the rub… If the child was so bad as to be almost non-verbal, the parents could have accessed support. From someone that’s got handicaped family getting support (and it’s shit, TBH, but it’s there), the reality is there ARE systems in place to help - regardless of how mediocre they are - they can help. OR they could have put the child into foster care or just left the kid at a hospital.
This was criminal negligence and raging indifference to the suffering of a child.
I’d love for a social support structure to be fully funded and everyone is vested in making it work, alas the drive to create such a thing is one that the USA has been pushing aside for decades in pursuit of the next quarterly report on earnings.
The economics of America has to change first. That we are at the end stage of capitalism where it is starting to eat itself, may be the leverage point on which change is built, but I do not know. I think it’s going to take a few more decades as those sitting atop the corporate capitalist machine won’t go down without a fight.