Google: “Based on this feedback and our ongoing conversations with the community, we are building a new advanced flow that allows experienced users to accept the risks of installing software that isn’t verified. We are designing this flow specifically to resist coercion, ensuring that users aren’t tricked into bypassing these safety checks while under pressure from a scammer. It will also include clear warnings to ensure users fully understand the risks involved, but ultimately, it puts the choice in their hands.”
Thank god. I would’ve ditched Android for good if this went through, and while it sounds like it would be annoying for casual users to enable unverified apps, at least we can still install them.
We are designing this flow specifically to resist coercion, ensuring that users aren’t tricked into bypassing these safety checks while under pressure from a scammer. It will also include clear warnings to ensure users fully understand the risks involved, but ultimately, it puts the choice in their hands.
The current system requires user to enable developer options, which is already hidden behind a dark pattern (tapping the Build number multiple times) then enabling the installation of apps of unknown sources for specific apps, which also comes with a warning.
It’s basically what we have already, so cut the bullshit and leave it be.
… continues to make Play Integrity an integral part of Android and making all the stupid banking and govt apps requiring having it on your phone thus making it harder to de-google.
still no… fuck you.
I’m glad banks around these parts don’t require an app to function.
Degoogle now before they install their malware on your device(s).
Users only need to eat half of a shit sandwich!
This is less terrible news, not good news.
This new ‘flow’ will require drinking a verification can (of piss) every time you want to use a sideloaded app
They’ve already lost my trust. GrapheneOS or LineageOS are the only safe bets now.
I have been looking at getting a flip phone and ditching this “Smart phone” bullshit altogether, I still might. I’m sick of this rug pull bullshit and no one can convince me they aren’t just going to try again.
My daughter switched to a Nokia flip phone and has been enjoying it. So even some gen z are over the bullshit.
What one did she get? I still haven’t settled on one yet and could use some recommendations.
I bought her a Nokia 2780 Flip.
90 bucks! I almost fainted seeing a phone at a reasonable price. Thanks for the rec I think I’m gunna grab one on payday.
I’ve been hoping for a low power 8" linux compat tablet. I’d just carry around a wireless access point.
Literally idk why people are saying “If this happens I’ll switch to an iPhone”
Like bruh Apple is even a more closed off walled garden? What sort of sense does that make to switch to something twice as expensive and gives you absolutely no control?
Even if Google decided to implement this in the future, I will never switch to an iPhone and neither should you
Trust me iBro, apple’s great, just ask their shareholders.
For the last two years, I’ve been running my own mail server, ready to cut over the moment google wants to fuck around again. I’m happy NOT depending on my own mail server as long as possible, but it’s clear the free lunch is going to end one day. I’ve started backing my way out of Android and I’m surely not going to be buying another iOS or Android phone.
I’m still slowly moving towards a Linux phone. That I can install whatever on, of course.
Maybe even eInk screen. Just that currently there’s nothing with eSIM as well.
Easing up? Don’t fucking touch it. Google is already annoying me with their play protect warnings.
For now
Yea no, just don’t change things. Things are good as they are without them trying to encroach further on our ownership of our devices.
Uh-huh, sure, just about protecting the users. Nevermind that actual malware is regularly found on play store, and exactly 0 times – on f-droid they’re “protecting” the users from.
It’s always the same, big shocking announcement, public outcry, pushing forward with a less shocking version, public acceptance, and then rolling out the rest of the initial plan. Why do we keep falling for it?
Its like getting robbed at gunpoint. Not much you can do about it.
Give a fascist an inch…
They are going to make this into a “1 step back 2 steps forward” type of situation. This is that 1 step back and in a few months there will be 2 steps forward where they will completely ban all non play store apps.
Good, but I still don’t trust Google and I really want Linux (you know what I mean) on my next phone.
Yes, Open Google free Android or a Linux without Google.
That’d be nice, but Linux on phones is still a pipe dream.
I mean, you can run a Linux phone now, but you aren’t going to have a large software library optimized for touchscreen/phone use, and the hardware options are pretty disappointing compared to Android.
I still haven’t been pushed over the edge, but I’m definitely keeping my eye on it. I’m just not willing to develop software for Android. I know that GNU/Linux phones will stay open. I am not at all sure that Android won’t wind up locked down by Google at some point, and over the years, it’s definitely shifted in that direction.
My current approach is to carry around a Linux laptop and try to shift my usage more towards using the Android phone as a tethering device for the laptop, to get Internet access everywhere. That’s not always reasonable — you need to sit down to use the laptop — but the only thing that the phone really has to be used for is dealing with text messages and calls. If you really wanted to do so, you could run SIP service from the laptop over the phone’s data service, not even rely on the phone’s calling functionality, but the laptop isn’t really set up to be able to idle at very low power the way a phone is, be able to wake up when a call comes in.
If I need to access something one-handed, I can use the phone.
And it does have some nice benefits, like having a real keyboard, a considerably more-powerful system, a much larger library of software, a better screen and speakers, a 3.5mm headphones jack (all those phone space constraints go away on a laptop!) and so forth. You can move the phone to somewhere where its radio has good reception and just have it relay to the laptop, which isn’t an option if you’re using the phone itself as the computing device.
I don’t presently use it in this role, but there’s a software package, KDE Connect, that lets one interface a phone and a Linux desktop (well, laptop in this case), and do things like happily type away on the laptop, if one has it up and running.
I’m thinking that that approach also makes it easier to shift my use to a GNU/Linux phone down the line, since mostly, all I need from it is to act as a tethering device, handle phone calls and texts. It’s sorta the baby-steps way to move off Android.
AFAIK Faiphone 4/5 and OnePlus 6 are in a very good state on PostmarketOS and continually improving. I don’t think it’s unrealistic to say we’ll have fully working devices in half a year - year with the amount of progress that’s happened since the PinePhone and was boosted again by the original Google announcement.
Fairphones are probably not daily-able for now, sadly. E.g. on FP4 GPS doesn’t work at all and there are issues with charging/battery reporting AFAIR. OnePlus 6 is definitely more promising ATM, but there are camera issues and you need to do a weird reflashing dance to get GPS to work. Otherwise it’s… passable as a daily phone.
Battery fuel guage is almost ready for FP4 at least:
https://fosstodon.org/@z3ntu/115435804332775702
And there has been recent successes by the same guy (employed at Fairphone) on getting cameras working (main post of the thread linked above).
These are recent improvements, and I really hope they can solve the audio stability and GPS stuff so I can move. Thinking of trying out Ubuntu Touch before a mainline distro is ready.
Ooh, cool! Might be my new phone when the current one cacks or Android becomes completely unusable.
Isn’t oneplus 6 a phone from
2018???
it is, but SD845 is still pretty fast
Nothing wrong with it, if you just use it for music listening/youtube/light browsing/satnav/messaging, snapdragon845 is more than enough. Consumables like batteries and back glass can be bought new from AliExpress for like $10. The screen is OLED and so prone to burn-in, but will probably last at least a few more years before cacking it completely.
Probably not too good for modern gaming and stuff, but probably passable for most tasks.
Look at furios’s phones. They seem yo work.
Linux on phones or desktops suffer from one major problem as I see it, too much choice.
You make a Windows app it has to work with the latest couple versions, same with Mac.
Make one for Linux and you have to test it against dozens of popular distros, package it in multiple ways, and hope the dependencies are gonna match.
It’s an awesome system for IT people and server admins, but for the end user, ehhh… That seems to be the problem things like snap and flat packs are aimed at fixing, which could transition to phones but first you gotta herd the cats into an agreed state.
Why would multiple distros be a factor? A Linux phone would be its own unique distro.
The issue is device firmware. The OS has to fit the phone, not vice versa.
In itself true, but if you have several competing distros then you run into the problem of attracting developers to the platform if none have a solid market share. It’s a bit of a chicken and egg thing, if a platform doesn’t have a sizable user base it’s hard to attract developers and it’s hard to get a user base without readily available apps.
You don’t have that many competing distros in mobile linux.
I saw there is pine phone that is supposed to have Linux or it doesn’t? Didn’t look much into it but was thinking about trying it out.
I have a pine phone - they’re super neat because linux on a phone! but… not really usable yet. Not getting texts, random bugs (they fixed the one where you could only receive calls, not make them, but that took a year or more), incredibly laggy UI even just trying to navigate,the battery life is abysmal, the battery management hardware is lacking and the software is even worse, the UIs that exist are poorly supported, basic apps are decently represented but anything not built for mobile is going to be godawful to get working (esp. through something like waydroid), the UI stabbed my puppy, the devices are so underpowered you’re gonna be unable to do things like have two apps open at once or have a video playing in one tab while trying to navigate in another…
The pro phone has supposedly improved the hardware issues, but it’s new and niche enough that I haven’t seen much of a consens emerge (or hardly any in depth testing at all, really). Fairphone is much more usuable, still not without it’s glitches but much better than the pinephones.
It’s great that smart people are working on this, but I don’t think we can expect hobbyists to make a useful OSS implementation of smartphones. Especially since there is so much dependence on the hardware. We either need a company that can throw some weight behind it, or just straight up governments that value it (e.g. from a sovereignty point of view).
The Linux phones that exist today (including Pine Phone) are more like early dev kits. They have really weak specs, are incredibly buggy, lack all sorts of features you’d expect, and I’m not totally sure if you can even make calls through them because phone carriers require a verified device and proprietary tech to work.
There are efforts to get things in order but these will take maybe 10 years at this rate.
I can absolutely make phone calls with both my One Plus 6T and my PinePhone.
It’s not that straightforward - pinephones have varying results depening on carriers, Verizon is notorious for blacklisting them while most of the other major carriers are hit or miss on if you’ll get penalized.
