You can refute it with some facts. No one is stopping you.
I’m no history scholar, but here’s a quick run down:
Declare independence.
Kill most of the natives and relocate the rest off of their land to reserves.
Civil war (which, I think, was mainly about allowing the owning of slaves).
A brief time when things were ok?
The world wars happened. Which, in the second at least, the us initially wasn’t interested about being involved with until Japan said “lol, no”.
Another brief period of not bad?
Reagan. Haha, this was the bit in recent history where things get well iffy.
The Bushes and Clinton. Things continue to get fucked.
Obama. Which was 50/50 depending on which country you lived in.
Then it was the Orange Shitgibbon. Where the rest of the world though it couldn’t get any worse.
Biden. Who refused to do fuck all tRUMP and his crimes or treachery. Plus all the genocide stuff.
To now, Orange Shitgibbon 2: Dictator Boogaloo.
Who is fucking things up in ways that if I time travelled to 15 years ago and tried to tell everyone I would be locked up. They’d probably believe I could travel in time, but not that a fucking failed reality TV star could do so much damage.
Again I’m no history buff, so you can explain the eras where the us want fucking things for everyone else if you so choose.
The 50s and 60s were the peak of Robert Moses and similar figures in American urban planning. Explicitly racist, destroying the liveability of cities in ways that are still ongoing to this day, with only some of the very most progressive cities even starting to try to turn things around.
It was also the peak of the red scare, during which the “freedom of speech” Americans are so proud of took a back seat to witch hunts over political ideology. Along with that you get the height of US intervention in foreign governments, with the US involvements in Pinochet’s regime in Chile probably being the most striking example, but far, far from the only.
So nah, it might have been a period of time when the US was perhaps less bad than today, but it’s still not great.
Had nothing to do with any of that.
The comment is because the laziest, most generic thing you could have said was exactly what you said now. However you weren’t an asshole to me, so I’ll respond.
So my comment wasn’t that America hadn’t committed atrocities, we have. It’s heartbreaking, and I have heritage heavily affected by those atrocities
You’ll note I Mentioned hype. See that’s really what it’s all been. In fact. Every country has its share of atrocities( and every one should be stamped out and the perpetrators held accountable), but not all countries atrocities have been committed by the supposed " police" of the free world.
That impression of the United states is what I was referring to.
America was never greater than any other country. It was just billed so, and you know what? Many other countries bought into that, relying on us to a point they would sometimes cripple themselves military, but also causing the United states to feel fat, bloated complacent,and outsource many vital industries to other nations.
Much like “Animal Farm”, the noble goals of our past have been sacrificed for the opulence and vices of the elite and rich who keep us down. The leaders of every country playing shell games with us
You want great again? America never was GREAT. We WERE doing well, moving forward, like many other countries with rich and varied histories. But Insidious men and women over the generations wormed their way into positions of leadership, as money tends to buy power , in all countries. And now every government is rife with them
It’s isn’t America that needs to be great again.
It’s people that need to be. And until this orange lunatic is gone, the United States we have lost any claim to great.
So your take was bad. To me. We were never that great. But like all things,age steps in and we see that the old man may have looked good when we were young, but now that we’ve gone through things and now what to look for, we can tell that like all of us, he was just limping through life.
Now we have an interconnected world with separated people. .
So yes. IMHO ad take. But probably not for the reasons you thought
I initially said I wouldn’t respond because I figured I’d get the replies I did, because people online don’t pause and think, just insult.
You didn’t though. Thank you for that. It’s a sign that we can still talk through things.
Thank you for your reply. Honestly I feel that if you had have replied initially with something the same as this comment then you’d have a lot more people agreeing, and even rooting for and with you. I know I would have, mainly because everything you’ve said is spot on. Unarguably so.
Good luck for your future. I am rooting for you and people like you.
You can refute it with some facts. No one is stopping you.
I’m no history scholar, but here’s a quick run down:
Declare independence.
Kill most of the natives and relocate the rest off of their land to reserves.
Civil war (which, I think, was mainly about allowing the owning of slaves).
A brief time when things were ok?
The world wars happened. Which, in the second at least, the us initially wasn’t interested about being involved with until Japan said “lol, no”.
Another brief period of not bad?
Reagan. Haha, this was the bit in recent history where things get well iffy.
The Bushes and Clinton. Things continue to get fucked.
Obama. Which was 50/50 depending on which country you lived in.
Then it was the Orange Shitgibbon. Where the rest of the world though it couldn’t get any worse.
Biden. Who refused to do fuck all tRUMP and his crimes or treachery. Plus all the genocide stuff.
To now, Orange Shitgibbon 2: Dictator Boogaloo.
Who is fucking things up in ways that if I time travelled to 15 years ago and tried to tell everyone I would be locked up. They’d probably believe I could travel in time, but not that a fucking failed reality TV star could do so much damage.
Again I’m no history buff, so you can explain the eras where the us want fucking things for everyone else if you so choose.
The 50s and 60s were the peak of Robert Moses and similar figures in American urban planning. Explicitly racist, destroying the liveability of cities in ways that are still ongoing to this day, with only some of the very most progressive cities even starting to try to turn things around.
It was also the peak of the red scare, during which the “freedom of speech” Americans are so proud of took a back seat to witch hunts over political ideology. Along with that you get the height of US intervention in foreign governments, with the US involvements in Pinochet’s regime in Chile probably being the most striking example, but far, far from the only.
So nah, it might have been a period of time when the US was perhaps less bad than today, but it’s still not great.
Had nothing to do with any of that. The comment is because the laziest, most generic thing you could have said was exactly what you said now. However you weren’t an asshole to me, so I’ll respond.
So my comment wasn’t that America hadn’t committed atrocities, we have. It’s heartbreaking, and I have heritage heavily affected by those atrocities
You’ll note I Mentioned hype. See that’s really what it’s all been. In fact. Every country has its share of atrocities( and every one should be stamped out and the perpetrators held accountable), but not all countries atrocities have been committed by the supposed " police" of the free world.
That impression of the United states is what I was referring to.
America was never greater than any other country. It was just billed so, and you know what? Many other countries bought into that, relying on us to a point they would sometimes cripple themselves military, but also causing the United states to feel fat, bloated complacent,and outsource many vital industries to other nations.
Much like “Animal Farm”, the noble goals of our past have been sacrificed for the opulence and vices of the elite and rich who keep us down. The leaders of every country playing shell games with us
You want great again? America never was GREAT. We WERE doing well, moving forward, like many other countries with rich and varied histories. But Insidious men and women over the generations wormed their way into positions of leadership, as money tends to buy power , in all countries. And now every government is rife with them
It’s isn’t America that needs to be great again. It’s people that need to be. And until this orange lunatic is gone, the United States we have lost any claim to great.
So your take was bad. To me. We were never that great. But like all things,age steps in and we see that the old man may have looked good when we were young, but now that we’ve gone through things and now what to look for, we can tell that like all of us, he was just limping through life.
Now we have an interconnected world with separated people. .
So yes. IMHO ad take. But probably not for the reasons you thought
I initially said I wouldn’t respond because I figured I’d get the replies I did, because people online don’t pause and think, just insult.
You didn’t though. Thank you for that. It’s a sign that we can still talk through things.
Thank you for your reply. Honestly I feel that if you had have replied initially with something the same as this comment then you’d have a lot more people agreeing, and even rooting for and with you. I know I would have, mainly because everything you’ve said is spot on. Unarguably so.
Good luck for your future. I am rooting for you and people like you.
Your right of course. I’m tired is all. I am Old, cranky, angry and enraged at the injustice we see.
Makes me have a short temper, and with so many ass hats around, Im in strike first mode .
You didn’t deserve that. My apologies to you.