• gmtom@lemmy.world
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    13 hours ago

    God you’re so fucking stupid.

    The point is industrialisation is what lifts people out of poverty. You pointing out imperialism is bad doesn’t change that, does it?

    Also are you going talk about Soviet invasion and genocide in eastern Europe or Chinese manufactured famines and child labour?

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      9 hours ago

      Ends the justify means thinking. “why improve the process or experience, when my way already works far better than simply stomping on them to get them to open up?”

      “because the taste of shoe doesn’t pair well with many flavors”

      “My way has 85% less shoe licking”

      “Ok, I can think of at least 3 ways you could remove the shoe entirely and it would almost certainly still work (unless of course people intentionally misuse the tools required for the solution)”

      “You just want to go back to stomping on them, don’t you!”

      If you lack scientific understanding of the material world, or you are wanting to use cynicism and disregard as proof, just say so.

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        60 minutes ago

        I genuinely can’t tell if you’re agreeing with me or not, because this seems like a good argument against tankies to me.

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      11 hours ago

      Yes, industrialisation is what lifts people from poverty, that’s exactly why the West has prevented the almost entirety of Africa, South America and Southeast Asia from industrializing, and the greatest industrial developments in the previous century (other than US-sponsored military bases like South Korea or Japan) have happened in, you guessed it, communist countries, whether we refer to the heavy industrialisation of USSR under state-planned economy or the industrialisation of China through Dengism and the attraction of international capital investment. Why didn’t Peru industrialise too? Why didn’t Philippines? Why didn’t Zambia? You’re talking of industrialisation of the West and imperialism as two isolated phenomena, when they’re very much not.

      Also are you going talk about Soviet invasion and genocide in eastern Europe

      You mean when the Soviets lost 27 million people in order to save Europe from Nazism? We can talk about that, yes

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        1 hour ago

        I mean yeah capitalism and imperialism go hand in hand.

        But you’re willfully ignoring when “communist” countries do the same. Do you think the soviet oppression of eastern Europe is fundamentally different than the European oppression of Africa

        And no, I’m talking about ww2, I’m talk about Holodomor and the Great Chinese Famine. I’m sure you’ll try and find excuses for them like a capitalist would for the bengal or Irish famines.