Quitting meat will lead to a little less suffering, destruction and exploitation. It costs you just some self-reflection and a change of habit. But Uriel238, obviously a fellow leftist, refuses this. He wants others to change first. But they, as you said, also will not. Prisoners dilemma, crab mentality.
Meat is a luxury for the rich worldwide. In China, more and more people are living the standard of living that we have been exemplifying for decades. Here in Germany, meat consumption is falling sharply and that is important and good. I can’t force the world to do anything, I can only take responsibility for my own actions and ask others to do the same. Because it’s the right thing to do, and I’m sure you feel that too.
But where did I lie?
Muscle tissue needs to be cut from a dead animal. If you eat it, you pay for their exploitation and suffering with your money. You pay for destruction (deforestation, lakes of shit, you name it) as well. If you don’t, it doesn’t happen, so it’s your choice.
If you don’t, it doesn’t happen, so it’s your choice.
I don’t pay for any of this, but even if what you are saying is true (it’s not), it’s pretty clear that you don’t eat meat, but those things happen anyway.
Yes, of course, the revolution hinges entirely on my behavior and no one else’s.
Your unquantified adjectives are doing a fuckton of heavy lifting. Tread lightly, qualified-friend, you are one step away from a block. Think of me whatever you will, but your manipulative bullshit will not be tolerated beyond this warning.
Hey, I don’t want to insult or manipulate you. I don’t want to get blocked as well. I’m just arguing for responsibleness and compassion, which i think is really important right know.
What you feel might be Cognitive Dissonance, the BBC wrote a great article about it. I felt it as well, I wasn’t born a vegan. Thanks for the debate.
Quitting meat will lead to a little less suffering, destruction and exploitation. It costs you just some self-reflection and a change of habit. But Uriel238, obviously a fellow leftist, refuses this. He wants others to change first. But they, as you said, also will not. Prisoners dilemma, crab mentality.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/meat-production-tonnes?tab=chart&country=~OWID_WRL
that doesn’t work
Meat is a luxury for the rich worldwide. In China, more and more people are living the standard of living that we have been exemplifying for decades. Here in Germany, meat consumption is falling sharply and that is important and good. I can’t force the world to do anything, I can only take responsibility for my own actions and ask others to do the same. Because it’s the right thing to do, and I’m sure you feel that too.
since you clearly understand that you were lying, you should just apologize for the lie instead of trying to explain it away.
your second link relies heavily on poore nemecek 2018, a study I don’t trust to tell me the co2e of co2.
I do take responsibility for my actions. I’m not responsible for what others do.
I honestly don’t understand. Where did I lie?
But where did I lie?
Muscle tissue needs to be cut from a dead animal. If you eat it, you pay for their exploitation and suffering with your money. You pay for destruction (deforestation, lakes of shit, you name it) as well. If you don’t, it doesn’t happen, so it’s your choice.
I don’t pay for any of this, but even if what you are saying is true (it’s not), it’s pretty clear that you don’t eat meat, but those things happen anyway.
They happen because everyone else still does. It won’t stop until you stop. I’m too old for this, bye.
no I don’t.
nobody’s paying for suffering. if the animal did suffer, the person involved is paid long before I decide what I’m eating.
not necessarily. You’re making a leap of logic.
Yes, of course, the revolution hinges entirely on my behavior and no one else’s.
Your unquantified adjectives are doing a fuckton of heavy lifting. Tread lightly, qualified-friend, you are one step away from a block. Think of me whatever you will, but your manipulative bullshit will not be tolerated beyond this warning.
Hey, I don’t want to insult or manipulate you. I don’t want to get blocked as well. I’m just arguing for responsibleness and compassion, which i think is really important right know.
What you feel might be Cognitive Dissonance, the BBC wrote a great article about it. I felt it as well, I wasn’t born a vegan. Thanks for the debate.