Kamala Harris’s running mate urges popular vote system but campaign says issue is not part of Democrats’ agenda

Tim Walz, the Democratic vice-presidential nominee, has called for the electoral college system of electing US presidents to be abolished and replaced with a popular vote principle, as operates in most democracies.

His comments – to an audience of party fundraisers – chime with the sentiments of a majority of American voters but risk destabilising the campaign of Kamala Harris, the Democratic presidential candidate, who has not adopted a position on the matter, despite having previously voiced similar views.

“I think all of us know, the electoral college needs to go,” Walz told donors at a gathering at the home of the California governor, Gavin Newsom. “We need a national popular vote. We need to be able to go into York, Pennsylvania, and win. We need to be in western Wisconsin and win. We need to be in Reno, Nevada, and win.”


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    It is the single most logical and devastating blow that the democratic party could work on to stop fascism.

    Disallow corporate entities from owning residential property.

    Increase minimum wage.

    Break up monopolies and oligopolies to reintroduce competition. Get off this “stop price gouging greedflation” horse shit. Break up monopolies and oligopolies, lower the bar to competition.

    End forced arbitration outright.

    Set a maximum document length limit to stop frivolous lawsuits, “drowning in paperwork”.

    Set term limits for all govt positions, especially SCOTUS.

    Harsher punishments to corporations. No more of these fines that are simply the cost of doing business. C suite execs should do time on behalf of law breaking ‘corpirate citizens.’

    Tax the fuck of our anything making over $100M in profit. I mean, the fuck out of it.

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      Disallow corporate entities from owning residential property.

      And tax the shit out of second (and third and beyond) home owners. If you don’t reside there it is absolutely a luxury. Nobody on the face of this Earth needs more than one dwelling.

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        There are reasons for owning one or two more houses. Maybe you just moved and need to sell the second house, or maybe you got a house for a friend or relative. Still think the tax is good, but should be applied to the fourth house and up unless you are renting to someone.

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      And none of this happens until we ditch the two party system. Because the Dems will just continue to do the bare minimum to win elections while still serving the billionaire class.

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      I’d be okay with execs and board members doing community service for first offense, if it means picking up trash on roadways, working in nursing facilities, harvesting crops, and other things Joe and Jane Average would be doing for community service.

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      I agree with all of this and I think many people on Lemmy do as well. My concern is: Will the population that is excited to vote for candidates that are willing to push these changes through have the staying power?

      These are huge changes to a system that has been manipulated to benefit a small group of well connected, very powerful, very wealthy people. It’s not something that can change in one or even two presidential terms. These are changes that will take many election cycles to complete. These, and other big changes, need sustained focus.

      Not saying it can’t be done - it can. The republican party has proven that. Over the course of 40+ years they have reshaped America to fit their ideals. But it took 40 years. One part of how they did it was/is by keeping the pressure on their voting base even during non-election years through FOX news, rush limbaugh, alex jones, and other pieces of shit. So when it was time to vote their base was already “educated” on why they had to vote for the republican candidate. It made/makes it easy for the republican candidate to step in and just say the right words and phrases to the voting population and they were guaranteed a certain % of the vote.

      So if the left wants to re-shape how America looks and how it treats it’s population then they have to be willing to play the long game.

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        The candidates have to work hard to get and keep voters excited, no backpedaling on platforms.

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        I agree with everything here except the concept that there’s such a thing as a non-election year, which is a big part of the reason the engagement discrepancy you’re talking about exists in the first place.

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      Agreed with everything except getting rid of ec, increasing the minimum wage, and taxing the fuck out of corps for an arbitrary profit margin.

      But damn. Solid otherwise.

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        What possible reason do you have for wanting to keep such an incredibly shit voting system? Please elaborate.

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          Because it’s not ‘incredibly shit’ it’s just not what you want it to be. It was designed to not allow mob rule. And it’s done a pretty good job at it.

          Just because something doesn’t do what you want it to do doesn’t mean it’s bad.

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            So why don’t you want one wage earned to be able to support their entire family or corporations to pay their fair share so we all call have quality health and education? The EC is rubbish, btw.

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              It’s pretty simple really. Raising the minimum wage will cause inflation to everything else to balance out and we will be right back where we started. People can’t afford anything. But now with even higher and overly inflated prices.

              That’s just how economics works. None of that trickle down bs or any other partisan view.

              Simple cause and effect, and scarcity.

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            “Mob rule” in this case being…the will of the majority of voters? Some sort of national popular vote, perhaps?

            This is an insane take man, but I guess some puppets don’t want their strings cut.

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              “Insane take” Literally the founding of our country was built off that take.

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                Yeah, you’re right, better to stay stagnant and not bother improving the system so that America stays true to its heritage. Everything was better back then, workers rights, women’s rights, slavery…gods the founding fathers really knew their shit. Why try to improve on perfection?

                (MASSIVE /s so I don’t get downvoted to oblivion)

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                  If any idiot here can’t tell your being sarcastic, that’s their issue.

                  But yes actually. Some things shouldn’t change. From what I’ve studied/learned we really were the first of our style of government. It’s been successful thus far, when plenty of other systems have come and gone.

                  Also just because the core of our system shouldn’t be changed doesn’t mean other things should/couldnt/havent changed. Soooo don’t put words in my mouth 👍

                  You said it best, why try to improve on perfection?

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            https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Madison/01-10-02-0065

            There was one difficulty however of a serious nature attending an immediate choice by the people. The right of suffrage was much more diffusive in the Northern than the Southern States; and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of the Negroes. The substitution of electors obviated this difficulty and seemed on the whole to be liable to fewest objections.

            It was designed solely to allow southern states to launder the votes of their slaves, as explicitly said by James madison, the person who put it in place.

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            If you exclude 2004 with Bush Jr (wartime president which all but guarantees reelection) the Republicans haven’t won a popular vote since 1988.

            Seems more like the EC ensures minority rule.

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            It was designed to not allow mob rule.

            And it flat our fails at that. Under the EC, we have a ‘mob rule’ by the swing states. And candidates basically only ever visit the cities of swing states, and solidly red/blue areas for fundraising on occasion.

            One person, one vote. We are all born equal, so to should our votes be equal. Anything less is a failure of a system.

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              No, I get it. You don’t know how to have a discussion in which you disagree with the person and default to dismissing them completely instead.

              That’s fine, just own it.

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                No you’re coming across as white privilege who wants to keep that. It’s not nice, cool or * admirable in any way, form or shape.

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                  Damn now talking like normal people is privilege. No wonder everyone else is fucking crazy.

                  And also thanks for commenting on all my comments. Love you

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          Easier to think I’m a troll than to believe someone could say those words and be serious?

          Well I’m not. So strengthen up buddy boy.

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            Yes, I would rather think you’re a troll than beleive someone is actually seriously that cruel and dumb. It’s better for my mental health.