Do any of them know what the word “liberal” actually means?

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    6 months ago

    It means you support capitalism, hence why “liberalization of the economy” means selling off public utilities, land, housing, and resources.

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      6 months ago

      That’s not true.

      Here a chicken definitely came before an egg. Read up on laissez-faire. There are also entire groups of anti-capitalist liberals and liberal ideologies as moat agree that capitalism breaks the fundamental rule of encroaching on people’s freedoms, which is obviously the main point.

      Adam Smith was famously big on this, but also Henry George, the father of Georgism which is a famous liberal economic ideology that is staunchly opposed to capitalism for its many dangers to liberalism. It’s even from the US.

      You can’t just take what you learned from the US media and US social media and force that onto everyone else. You’re spreading misinformation about ideologies in the hopes people won’t notice.

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        My parents used to called corned beef stew “Pig soup” so my brother and i would eat it. That doesn’t mean it was pork in there.

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          300 million Americans call corned beef “pig stew” and it’s in the dictionary. Welcome to living languages. Corned beef is now pig stew.

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      You cannot be open minded, tolerant and support human rights and freedoms while opposing capitalism. If you oppose capitalism - you’re pretty much an authoritarian shill.

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        6 months ago

        Care to elaborate? Why is wanting to democratize production more authoritarian than wanting many competing dictators?

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            Definitionally, it cannot. Capitalism is individual ownership, Socialism is collective ownership. By definition, workers in Capitalism have no real say.

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              Capitalism is individual ownership, That’s the key! It gives you all the rights and freedoms to create your own business and lead it the way YOU see fit. By definition, Capitalism doesn’t have workers or other classes, everyone is equal. Socialism is an authoritarian ideology, which puts the needs of a social construct (a virtual entity, if you prefer) over the needs, rights and freedoms of an individual. One must be very delusional to support authoritarian socialist ideas in any way, shape or form.

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                Individual rights to become a Capital Owner and exploit the majority of society is by definition class society. In Socialism, there are no classes, because ownership is shared. There are no Capitalists exploiting workers.

                You don’t know enough about Socialism or Capitalism to discuss either.

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                  No, you don’t know enough if you think that equal freedoms and rights lead to “exploitation” and “classes” while inherently authoritarian ideology means there are no classes. Like, lol, what kind of lunacy is that?

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                    Workers do not have equal rights with Owners.

                    How is democratic ownership of Capital “inherently authoritarian?”