Sure, let’s blame the voters for the absolute shitshow of the Democrats accidentally putting up yet another candidate with little appeal to voters.
I voted against Trump all three times voting for candidates I didn’t think deserved to be the nominee, let alone president. I’m sick to my fucking stomach of being force fed awful corporate Democrats and given zero choice to vote my actual conscience. So with all due respect - which is none - this sentiment can go fuck itself. I did my part, now you fucking do yours and stop blaming others for the failures of your group.
The Dems.coukd have run a literal fucking corpse and should have won against the actual fucking Nazis. But the people of the US have shown theybare too fucking stupid to know that literally would have been better than this shitshow. Again, after seeing it on parade for 4 years before.
No they COULDN’T HAVE because they DID run a shit candidate and they DID lose. At some point you have to realize the reality of the situation we are in. Half the population is dumber than rocks and the other half is not much better and it’s no one’s fault but the dumber than rocks. But keep blaming people who are on your own side I’m SURE that will work out GREAT for you in the long run.
The voters are absolutely to blame! They voted against their most basic interested and voted for the guy that satisfied their immediate made up anger. Why vote for trump if you barely survine on food stamps but hate the gays? Because somehow hating the gays was more important. Why vite for trump if you are part of a minority group and aren’t quite well documented to live in us? Because you drank the flavour water that it will be trump who will make your life even more amazing. Not the fact that living and working there is what made your life better.
Voters are absolutely to blame! Stuck to your phones in this algorithmic shitstorm you got fed the story that you being poor is not because of people like trump but because your gay black Latino neighbor somehow seems to have a less shitier life than you. Because you, the American voter, must wake up! You live in a shit system (your country is amazing and I wish I will be able to visit it again some day) that doesn’t exist anywhere else around the world. Your so called freedom to not care about most common sense rules of a modern society are not worth the struggle you live every day in the best of times. You need free healthcare, you need safe and free education for your children, you need protection against harmful working condition and much much more.
I really hope that you will still get a chance to vote these fuckers out and you will have woken up by then. Take this from someone living in a country that has been under the communist boot for more than 40 years!
You don’t even live here? We get enough of this shit from people here, don’t need it from you too. The Democratic Party is to blame for their own failures. They know how to win elections and refuse to do so because they don’t really care. Don’t blame the voters for not being inspired to vote for the shittiest alternative when they know there were better options that we never had a say in. Kamala was not actually nominated by the people, and the Democratic Party has been spreading the kind of bullshit propaganda you’re touting to blame the people they’ve been disenfranchising for years.
We got four years of Democratic control and nothing of substance was done to prevent any of this. This is a lot more nuanced than one single election, and your comment is literally what bad faith actors write to stir conflict on the left because it mimics the actual disenfranchisement of the left. So if you truly care like you say you do, stop spreading Democratic Party propaganda.
Bro, your whole demeanor here is why the world thinks we deserve this. You’re fucking here, blaming Democrats for what republicans are doing. That’s fucking stupid. Americans failed an open book test to stop retarded Hitler. Americans largely deserve the derision, even the leftists and progressives that were trying to stop this. That includes me, and it includes you too. Propaganda ain’t an excuse. I’m dumb as fuck and still wasn’t manipulated by it, because all it takes to see through is the barest cunt-hair of intellectual curiosity which the overwhelming majority of us Americans fundamentally lack.
Oh they are absolutely to blame! You had to vote between one guy who told you exactly what he will do and a chick who did not say the words you wanted to hear but was not going to touch what you barely had. Of course you go with the guy!
You think you are unique ? Other countries have this too. Shit we had the same a while ago. One guy wanted to take us out of eu and NATO and throw us back to Russian hands and the other guy. We voted for the other guy! We want eu and NATO and all the rest. We had Russia before and no more. Who cares we didn’t really liked the guy.
When was the last time your people voted to nominate someone and not have someone shoved down your throat? This time was no different .
I didn’t vote for Trump. And you don’t seem to have a good idea of just how bad corporate Democrats are. It’s not “they won’t touch what we have” it’s “they’ll give it away in less visible ways,” often through inaction when action is possible, necessary, and begged for by the people. They are not an opposition to the Republicans, they’re complicit.
Our biggest fight is trying to convince apathetic nonvoters to vote, and apathetic voters to actually vote against this system in the primaries. Your messaging is hurting the latter, so please stop.
So you voted for what? The guy who got 3% of the vote? Let’s not pretend that any vote not for a democratic candidate isn’t a wasted vote. The last person to win from neither major party was back in 1848… so if you voted for a libertarian or the Green Party or whatever other hopeless party then you are just as bad as a trump voter. Democrats aren’t perfect, far from it, but if you didn’t want Trump to win, you would vote Democrat, period. They’re the only ones who have a legitimate shot at winning against Trump, or any republican really. Sadly that’s what politics is in this country, you don’t vote for the best person for the job. You vote to keep tyrannical psychopaths out of office.
The one with the comment that started with aggressively blaming people dissatisfied with the Democratic Party out of absolutely nowhere? Sure am, I’m tired as fuck of this narrative and it only serves to further alienate voters that need to be heard for the first time in decades.
You know what? I’m done. These losers can have it. Kamala Harris was infallible and her stance on Palestine was completely acceptable. Joey Biden’s neoliberal presidency where he did nothing to prevent this was as strong as it could have been. It is 100% time to beat down on voters who felt hopeless already because how dare they.
Lol, right? A comment that effectively amounted to “Trump mentioned --> scapegoat progressives” draws no attention but me calling out the bullshit of that comment draws out all the sycophants who can’t stomach an ounce of blame. I’m tired of this shit.
Even if I didn’t, my opinion would still be valid. Are left wing folks who don’t align with corporate Democrats a large enough group to influence elections, or small enough not to matter?
If the former, you need to work with us and refusing to do so is a failure of the Democratic party and its base. If the latter, then you are no better than a playground bully beating up a weaker kid because they lost a different fight.
If the former, you need to work with us and refusing to do so is a failure of the Democratic party and its base.
A failure of its base? 70 million people failed? Well goddamn.
And also bullshit. The choice was fascism or not and a shit ton of likely well-meaning but seriously wrong shitheads decided now was the time for a protest (non) vote.
We all want better candidates, no shit. But not voting or pissing away one’s vote on a Putin-licker like Jill Stein or a write-in is not just idiocy, it’s unconscionable. And there were a lot of them parading through here last year, deigning to lecture us bourgeoise on our moral failings. So fuck them. They fucked up and they need to know it.
What if everyone who voted for Kamala was wrong? What if 70 million people were right and everyone should have just voted for someone else? After all this is a democracy?
If you can’t tell I’m being purposefully idiotic because your opinion is dumber than shit and I think you deserve to be treated as such.
Refusing to hold the Democratic Party accountable is enabling the behavior that leads to those piss-poor candidates.
It’s absolutely a failure of the base that spends all of their energy blaming the people they need to be working with, and then getting all angry when those people feel too alienated to vote with them.
Everyone who still refuses to blame the Democratic Party for 2016 fucked up and they need to know it.
Everyone who still refuses to blame the Democratic Party for 2016 fucked up and they need to know it.
Im hope im wrong, but i feel now more then ever democrats dont feel the need to listen to anyone but their donors. Because what are you gonna do, vote republican? The Trump stove is bright hot and people are willing to do anything to remove their hand at all costs, even if it means putting the burnt flesh in a pile of shit.
Literal hostage situation. The costs are sunk, the walls are up. there will be no democracy, just commands from our “betters”. Stop resisting or else yous gets the republicans again
You can feel however you want, the fact is one party gets us closer to where we want to be, the other party puts us much farther back from where we want to be and there is no third option.
It will be the same in a year. The time when we have a chance to stop this insanity. It’d be swell if we could all, y’know, do that.
Refusing to hold the Democratic Party accountable is enabling the behavior that leads to those piss-poor candidates.
Define that.
blaming the people they need to be working with
The people who can’t be bothered to defeat a demented rapist with nuclear codes? Wow i can’t wait to do whatever they say. They seem really smart. Clearly the fast track to progress.
Everyone who still refuses to blame the Democratic Party for 2016
Because they didn’t vote for themselves? The choice was insanity or a flawed candidate that would get us to the next rung. Propaganda won the day as it does when the fourth estate fails catastrophically.
No absolutely every voter counts, what I’m getting at is voting for people who obviously aren’t going to win is a thrown away vote. A vote democrats COULD use. Idk how much more I can work with you. I vote in big and small elections, which is sadly more than I can say for a lot of people.
I realize that, but their wording leaves it open to interpretation like maybe they didn’t vote democrat at all. In which case nothing they say is valid imo.
That’s completely at odds with this comment I’m replying to.
How so? Are you suggesting I go try to convert Trump voters? I see you trying to make a point but maybe you could help me see what the point is you’re trying to make here.
You said my opinion wasn’t valid if I didn’t vote Democrat. Then went on to say that all voters are valid. Your first comment is the kind that people like me have been getting particularly strongly in the last 3 cycles, even if we do vote Democrat but dare to express a counter opinion.
I see it everywhere, and that wears me down and makes me, someone who barely bites my tongue to vote for Democrat after Democrat that I don’t believe should be president, want even less to do with the party whose vocal supporters blame my ideology and tell us we’re invalid.
It’s why I had such a strong reaction in my initial comment. That first one I replied to is par for the course blaming the far left for the failings of centrist Democrats, saying what the Republicans are doing is our fault. It’s tired, derisive, and I don’t give a shit about playing nice after a decade of this firehose of unfounded blame.
They say “for candidates I didn’t think deserved to be the nominee, let alone president” so I suspect they voted for the Democrat, in each election, rather than a third-party (considering their distaste for Democrats).
I realize that, but their wording leaves it open to interpretation like maybe they didn’t vote democrat at all. In which case nothing they say is valid imo.
Sure, let’s blame the voters for the absolute shitshow of the Democrats accidentally putting up yet another candidate with little appeal to voters.
I voted against Trump all three times voting for candidates I didn’t think deserved to be the nominee, let alone president. I’m sick to my fucking stomach of being force fed awful corporate Democrats and given zero choice to vote my actual conscience. So with all due respect - which is none - this sentiment can go fuck itself. I did my part, now you fucking do yours and stop blaming others for the failures of your group.
The Dems.coukd have run a literal fucking corpse and should have won against the actual fucking Nazis. But the people of the US have shown theybare too fucking stupid to know that literally would have been better than this shitshow. Again, after seeing it on parade for 4 years before.
No they COULDN’T HAVE because they DID run a shit candidate and they DID lose. At some point you have to realize the reality of the situation we are in. Half the population is dumber than rocks and the other half is not much better and it’s no one’s fault but the dumber than rocks. But keep blaming people who are on your own side I’m SURE that will work out GREAT for you in the long run.
Wanna know why youre so desperate to pin this on voters?
Because deep down you know the donors wont allow the democratic party to change, so you feel the voters should just accept whatever they are given.
Think there will be a primary next time? Or is asking for a primary a purity test to far?
The voters are absolutely to blame! They voted against their most basic interested and voted for the guy that satisfied their immediate made up anger. Why vote for trump if you barely survine on food stamps but hate the gays? Because somehow hating the gays was more important. Why vite for trump if you are part of a minority group and aren’t quite well documented to live in us? Because you drank the flavour water that it will be trump who will make your life even more amazing. Not the fact that living and working there is what made your life better.
Voters are absolutely to blame! Stuck to your phones in this algorithmic shitstorm you got fed the story that you being poor is not because of people like trump but because your gay black Latino neighbor somehow seems to have a less shitier life than you. Because you, the American voter, must wake up! You live in a shit system (your country is amazing and I wish I will be able to visit it again some day) that doesn’t exist anywhere else around the world. Your so called freedom to not care about most common sense rules of a modern society are not worth the struggle you live every day in the best of times. You need free healthcare, you need safe and free education for your children, you need protection against harmful working condition and much much more.
I really hope that you will still get a chance to vote these fuckers out and you will have woken up by then. Take this from someone living in a country that has been under the communist boot for more than 40 years!
You don’t even live here? We get enough of this shit from people here, don’t need it from you too. The Democratic Party is to blame for their own failures. They know how to win elections and refuse to do so because they don’t really care. Don’t blame the voters for not being inspired to vote for the shittiest alternative when they know there were better options that we never had a say in. Kamala was not actually nominated by the people, and the Democratic Party has been spreading the kind of bullshit propaganda you’re touting to blame the people they’ve been disenfranchising for years.
We got four years of Democratic control and nothing of substance was done to prevent any of this. This is a lot more nuanced than one single election, and your comment is literally what bad faith actors write to stir conflict on the left because it mimics the actual disenfranchisement of the left. So if you truly care like you say you do, stop spreading Democratic Party propaganda.
Bro, your whole demeanor here is why the world thinks we deserve this. You’re fucking here, blaming Democrats for what republicans are doing. That’s fucking stupid. Americans failed an open book test to stop retarded Hitler. Americans largely deserve the derision, even the leftists and progressives that were trying to stop this. That includes me, and it includes you too. Propaganda ain’t an excuse. I’m dumb as fuck and still wasn’t manipulated by it, because all it takes to see through is the barest cunt-hair of intellectual curiosity which the overwhelming majority of us Americans fundamentally lack.
The first comment I responded to literally blamed left voters for what Republicans are doing. But you’re not calling them out.
Oh they are absolutely to blame! You had to vote between one guy who told you exactly what he will do and a chick who did not say the words you wanted to hear but was not going to touch what you barely had. Of course you go with the guy!
You think you are unique ? Other countries have this too. Shit we had the same a while ago. One guy wanted to take us out of eu and NATO and throw us back to Russian hands and the other guy. We voted for the other guy! We want eu and NATO and all the rest. We had Russia before and no more. Who cares we didn’t really liked the guy.
When was the last time your people voted to nominate someone and not have someone shoved down your throat? This time was no different .
I didn’t vote for Trump. And you don’t seem to have a good idea of just how bad corporate Democrats are. It’s not “they won’t touch what we have” it’s “they’ll give it away in less visible ways,” often through inaction when action is possible, necessary, and begged for by the people. They are not an opposition to the Republicans, they’re complicit.
Our biggest fight is trying to convince apathetic nonvoters to vote, and apathetic voters to actually vote against this system in the primaries. Your messaging is hurting the latter, so please stop.
If you voted third party you voted for Trump. Ignorance of how our shitty system actually functions is not an excuse.
I didn’t vote third party. I voted Dem.
Oh look, someone who pissed away their vote on some shitty Libertarian lunatic.
As my comments show, I literally didn’t. But okay.
Imagine admitting you can’t tell the difference between corporate Democratics and literal nazi republicans. Embarrassing and sad.
When did I say that? I voted for one of those two over the other. My comment was clear about that.
Ok done.
“Voted against trump all three times”
So you voted for what? The guy who got 3% of the vote? Let’s not pretend that any vote not for a democratic candidate isn’t a wasted vote. The last person to win from neither major party was back in 1848… so if you voted for a libertarian or the Green Party or whatever other hopeless party then you are just as bad as a trump voter. Democrats aren’t perfect, far from it, but if you didn’t want Trump to win, you would vote Democrat, period. They’re the only ones who have a legitimate shot at winning against Trump, or any republican really. Sadly that’s what politics is in this country, you don’t vote for the best person for the job. You vote to keep tyrannical psychopaths out of office.
I voted for Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and Kamala Harris. Did I pass your test to be allowed to have an opinion?
You are aggressively belligerent all over this thread my guy.
The one with the comment that started with aggressively blaming people dissatisfied with the Democratic Party out of absolutely nowhere? Sure am, I’m tired as fuck of this narrative and it only serves to further alienate voters that need to be heard for the first time in decades.
You know what? I’m done. These losers can have it. Kamala Harris was infallible and her stance on Palestine was completely acceptable. Joey Biden’s neoliberal presidency where he did nothing to prevent this was as strong as it could have been. It is 100% time to beat down on voters who felt hopeless already because how dare they.
Lol, right? A comment that effectively amounted to “Trump mentioned --> scapegoat progressives” draws no attention but me calling out the bullshit of that comment draws out all the sycophants who can’t stomach an ounce of blame. I’m tired of this shit.
Surely it couldn’t be their fault for being so complacent, brother.
Yes consider this reply as your legal documentation that you are a holder of the 1st amendment.
Even if I didn’t, my opinion would still be valid. Are left wing folks who don’t align with corporate Democrats a large enough group to influence elections, or small enough not to matter?
If the former, you need to work with us and refusing to do so is a failure of the Democratic party and its base. If the latter, then you are no better than a playground bully beating up a weaker kid because they lost a different fight.
A failure of its base? 70 million people failed? Well goddamn.
And also bullshit. The choice was fascism or not and a shit ton of likely well-meaning but seriously wrong shitheads decided now was the time for a protest (non) vote.
We all want better candidates, no shit. But not voting or pissing away one’s vote on a Putin-licker like Jill Stein or a write-in is not just idiocy, it’s unconscionable. And there were a lot of them parading through here last year, deigning to lecture us bourgeoise on our moral failings. So fuck them. They fucked up and they need to know it.
What if everyone who voted for Kamala was wrong? What if 70 million people were right and everyone should have just voted for someone else? After all this is a democracy?
If you can’t tell I’m being purposefully idiotic because your opinion is dumber than shit and I think you deserve to be treated as such.
Well who could argue with that sterling logic.
Refusing to hold the Democratic Party accountable is enabling the behavior that leads to those piss-poor candidates.
It’s absolutely a failure of the base that spends all of their energy blaming the people they need to be working with, and then getting all angry when those people feel too alienated to vote with them.
Everyone who still refuses to blame the Democratic Party for 2016 fucked up and they need to know it.
Im hope im wrong, but i feel now more then ever democrats dont feel the need to listen to anyone but their donors. Because what are you gonna do, vote republican? The Trump stove is bright hot and people are willing to do anything to remove their hand at all costs, even if it means putting the burnt flesh in a pile of shit.
Literal hostage situation. The costs are sunk, the walls are up. there will be no democracy, just commands from our “betters”. Stop resisting or else yous gets the republicans again
You can feel however you want, the fact is one party gets us closer to where we want to be, the other party puts us much farther back from where we want to be and there is no third option.
It will be the same in a year. The time when we have a chance to stop this insanity. It’d be swell if we could all, y’know, do that.
Define that.
The people who can’t be bothered to defeat a demented rapist with nuclear codes? Wow i can’t wait to do whatever they say. They seem really smart. Clearly the fast track to progress.
Because they didn’t vote for themselves? The choice was insanity or a flawed candidate that would get us to the next rung. Propaganda won the day as it does when the fourth estate fails catastrophically.
You’re the one who started this whole thing blaming lefties for the current situation. Go edit in an apology for that if you want to keep talking.
You’re very obviously misinterpreting everything I’m saying on purpose, so I don’t expect you to even understand this comment.
No absolutely every voter counts, what I’m getting at is voting for people who obviously aren’t going to win is a thrown away vote. A vote democrats COULD use. Idk how much more I can work with you. I vote in big and small elections, which is sadly more than I can say for a lot of people.
Literally you in these comments:
That’s completely at odds with this comment I’m replying to.
How so? Are you suggesting I go try to convert Trump voters? I see you trying to make a point but maybe you could help me see what the point is you’re trying to make here.
You said my opinion wasn’t valid if I didn’t vote Democrat. Then went on to say that all voters are valid. Your first comment is the kind that people like me have been getting particularly strongly in the last 3 cycles, even if we do vote Democrat but dare to express a counter opinion.
I see it everywhere, and that wears me down and makes me, someone who barely bites my tongue to vote for Democrat after Democrat that I don’t believe should be president, want even less to do with the party whose vocal supporters blame my ideology and tell us we’re invalid.
It’s why I had such a strong reaction in my initial comment. That first one I replied to is par for the course blaming the far left for the failings of centrist Democrats, saying what the Republicans are doing is our fault. It’s tired, derisive, and I don’t give a shit about playing nice after a decade of this firehose of unfounded blame.
They say “for candidates I didn’t think deserved to be the nominee, let alone president” so I suspect they voted for the Democrat, in each election, rather than a third-party (considering their distaste for Democrats).
I realize that, but their wording leaves it open to interpretation like maybe they didn’t vote democrat at all. In which case nothing they say is valid imo.
It really doesn’t, they even mentioned how they were specifically mad at corporate democrats.
Well yeah but who isn’t?