• Optional@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    Refusing to hold the Democratic Party accountable is enabling the behavior that leads to those piss-poor candidates.

    Define that.

    blaming the people they need to be working with

    The people who can’t be bothered to defeat a demented rapist with nuclear codes? Wow i can’t wait to do whatever they say. They seem really smart. Clearly the fast track to progress.

    Everyone who still refuses to blame the Democratic Party for 2016

    Because they didn’t vote for themselves? The choice was insanity or a flawed candidate that would get us to the next rung. Propaganda won the day as it does when the fourth estate fails catastrophically.

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      You’re the one who started this whole thing blaming lefties for the current situation. Go edit in an apology for that if you want to keep talking.

      You’re very obviously misinterpreting everything I’m saying on purpose, so I don’t expect you to even understand this comment.

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        I blame American lefty non-voters, yes. They fucked up. There will be no apology for that obvious, factual statement.

        Is that too convoluted? You too could piece together some communication so sophisticated, surely.

        I’m not saying there aren’t things to fix in the DNC - far from it. But our present befuckededness was 100% avoidable and a large group of so-called “lefties” chose fascism instead. It’s that simple.

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          No apology. Not that you’d be willing to admit the illegitimacy of 2016’s primaries anyway. “Things to fix” is a very weak description of throwing away democracy and then propagandizing goons like you to blame the disenfranchised for what happened next.

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            Throwing away democracy? Lemming, please.

            You want trump? You got him. It’s dead simple.

            (“Propagandizing goon”? Lol. Whatever.) I blame non-voters. If they are disenfranchised as well then yes. It turns out i blame them. The bare minimum for involvement is to vote. If they’re so scarred by Bernie not winning the West that they can’t participate in the government, they’ll lose that government. And have.

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              Right, you’re also complicit then. Willingly overlooking authoritarian election tactics and blaming the people wronged instead of the authoritarians. You are far more responsible than the people you blame unprompted.

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                14 hours ago

                So the person who actively worked against fascism is the complicit one and the person who did nothing is ‘wronged’.

                Disagree.

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                  You’re vehemently supporting the authoritarianism of the Democratic Party, yes that is indeed worse because that authoritarianism is what’s keeping them an ineffective opposition to fascism. Slowing the slide into fascism by 10% doesn’t mean anything when we end up in fascism anyway. And you’re burning up the time we need to rebuild the Democratic Party to actually be democratic.

                  I’m not being hyperbolic, I actually do believe that by defending the Democratic Party you are worse for our country in the long run than people who ideologically refused to vote Dem in the general because of their authoritarianism in the primaries. Your path still ends in guaranteed fascism, all you care about is feeling superior in the meantime.

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                    Well I’m impressed you managed to be wrong about every single thing and still be dedicated to the premise.

                    So, I presume in the absence of a national third party you’ll be allowing the republicans to walk away with it again?