You genuinely don’t understand art. That’s ok. Taping a banana to a wall doesn’t use a ton of electricity and wasn’t created by someone stealing the tape, the banana or the wall. Is it an amazing bit of technical artistry? No. It is, however, interesting if nothing else and noteworthy enough for someone with no understanding of art to use as an example.
people expressing their feelings or “visions” of a medium using skill within that medium. Taping bananas to walls is not art, since there is zero skill involved.
AI art is art the same way children’s drawings are art; they can be an expression of a feeling or a personal “vision”, or bullshit made with a desire to gain some kind of resource (social approval, money) at which point it becomes about as artistic as a fast food hamburger.
great, so by putting your thoughts into text, then putting them in a computer that you know will realise your thoughts into a visual artifact is making art then.
In a way, sure. What’s unfortunate with such a medium is what a small proportion of the thoughts in the final product are the prompter’s. The machine references countless works that the prompter has no knowledge of, whereas in a medium controlled by the artist, those references (both conscious and subconscious) add meaning to the piece.
So by your own admission skill is what makes art art. Taping a banana to the wall is a zero skill act so that’s not art. Typing “make a picture of a banana taped to a wall” into an text box has skill? Working as an artist also means that you aren’t creating art, but that’s exactly the point of the AI slop machines; an attempt to demonetize a skill and save money for businesses. I feel like you’re arguing to argue at this point and doing a very poor job.
So by your own admission skill is what makes art art.
Absolutely. if that’s what it gets to discredit the fucking banana tape guy, hell yeah. Fuck all of those people, the basketball guy too.
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Typing “make a picture of a banana taped to a wall” into an text box has skill?
here’s the thing that AI haters don’t get. You can just do that sure, but you can also put more effort into it, spend time crafting specific Loras and even input visual outlines as starting points. You can also do commonly accepted things to the image after, color correction, edits, shading etc etc. You can write more vivid descriptions to further hone what you are getting the machine to make.
And as I said before : books are just text written on a typewriter/word processor. We haven’t disawoved literature as an art form just yet.
but that’s exactly the point of the AI slop machines; an attempt to demonetize a skill and save money for businesses.
Yeah, that’s a downside when used in an industrial sense. I would prefer coca cola to pay out the ass for anything they do, instead of paying a modicum. But the topic we’re discussing here isn’t the next cola ad, it’s shitposts. I’m pretty sure that taking time to crudely photoshop a strawberry elephant is just as valid an expression of a shitpost as putting in “Strawberry textured elephant” into a generative ai.
You could probably also do it by searching for a free use elephant model and free to use strawberry texture and combining the two in blender to get the same shitpost.
At the end of the day,it’s a fucking shitpost. It doesn’t matter. You’re just pushing out a concept, not trying to win the prize for best artist.
I feel like you’re arguing to argue at this point and doing a very poor job.
The point is that 1) “Indie” use of generative AI for shitposts doesn’t make the creator deserve crucifixion 2) Generative AI is a valid use case for talentless people who want to communicate a visual idea 3) The art world has set themselves up for this fucking argument for too long with the goddamn basketballs in folmadehyde and bananas duct taped to walls, while actually talented artists get ignored. It’s the same fucking thing with music. The greatest composers of our time are slaving away at generic jobs to make ends meet, and risking going bankrupt every time they tour. All the attention goes to shitty pop musicians, and slop made by boardrooms and focus testing. The stuff being produced already had no soul.
people expressing their feelings or “visions” of a medium using skill within that medium. Taping bananas to walls is not art, since there is zero skill involved.
AI art is art the same way children’s drawings are art; they can be an expression of a feeling or a personal “vision”, or bullshit made with a desire to gain some kind of resource (social approval, money) at which point it becomes about as artistic as a fast food hamburger.
that’s my actual argument. you seem to be a more chill and open to discussion person on the various other times I’ve ran into you here, I’m not sure what’s making you mean this time.
You genuinely don’t understand art. That’s ok. Taping a banana to a wall doesn’t use a ton of electricity and wasn’t created by someone stealing the tape, the banana or the wall. Is it an amazing bit of technical artistry? No. It is, however, interesting if nothing else and noteworthy enough for someone with no understanding of art to use as an example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor’s_New_Clothes
have a read before you defend modern art
I’d like to know the point you think this link is making in this conversation. 🤨
that dumbass shit is not art, and isn’t art because some idiot curated it into a museum.
By all means, tell us what art is then.
people expressing their feelings or “visions” of a medium using skill within that medium. Taping bananas to walls is not art, since there is zero skill involved.
AI art is art the same way children’s drawings are art; they can be an expression of a feeling or a personal “vision”, or bullshit made with a desire to gain some kind of resource (social approval, money) at which point it becomes about as artistic as a fast food hamburger.
Art is about thought, not skill.
Skill is required for craft. Can art be well crafted? Hell yeah. Does it have to be? Hell no.
great, so by putting your thoughts into text, then putting them in a computer that you know will realise your thoughts into a visual artifact is making art then.
In a way, sure. What’s unfortunate with such a medium is what a small proportion of the thoughts in the final product are the prompter’s. The machine references countless works that the prompter has no knowledge of, whereas in a medium controlled by the artist, those references (both conscious and subconscious) add meaning to the piece.
So by your own admission skill is what makes art art. Taping a banana to the wall is a zero skill act so that’s not art. Typing “make a picture of a banana taped to a wall” into an text box has skill? Working as an artist also means that you aren’t creating art, but that’s exactly the point of the AI slop machines; an attempt to demonetize a skill and save money for businesses. I feel like you’re arguing to argue at this point and doing a very poor job.
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Absolutely. if that’s what it gets to discredit the fucking banana tape guy, hell yeah. Fuck all of those people, the basketball guy too.
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here’s the thing that AI haters don’t get. You can just do that sure, but you can also put more effort into it, spend time crafting specific Loras and even input visual outlines as starting points. You can also do commonly accepted things to the image after, color correction, edits, shading etc etc. You can write more vivid descriptions to further hone what you are getting the machine to make.
And as I said before : books are just text written on a typewriter/word processor. We haven’t disawoved literature as an art form just yet.
Yeah, that’s a downside when used in an industrial sense. I would prefer coca cola to pay out the ass for anything they do, instead of paying a modicum. But the topic we’re discussing here isn’t the next cola ad, it’s shitposts. I’m pretty sure that taking time to crudely photoshop a strawberry elephant is just as valid an expression of a shitpost as putting in “Strawberry textured elephant” into a generative ai.
You could probably also do it by searching for a free use elephant model and free to use strawberry texture and combining the two in blender to get the same shitpost.
At the end of the day,it’s a fucking shitpost. It doesn’t matter. You’re just pushing out a concept, not trying to win the prize for best artist.
The point is that 1) “Indie” use of generative AI for shitposts doesn’t make the creator deserve crucifixion 2) Generative AI is a valid use case for talentless people who want to communicate a visual idea 3) The art world has set themselves up for this fucking argument for too long with the goddamn basketballs in folmadehyde and bananas duct taped to walls, while actually talented artists get ignored. It’s the same fucking thing with music. The greatest composers of our time are slaving away at generic jobs to make ends meet, and risking going bankrupt every time they tour. All the attention goes to shitty pop musicians, and slop made by boardrooms and focus testing. The stuff being produced already had no soul.
Sidenote : I still have no fucking idea how Igorrr is making ends meet while creating the best music known to recorded history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMAPWtAqpbg
I see. So you truly do not understand art to the point where you can’t even make a coherent argument supporting your position on it.
Glad we sorted that out.
https://lemmy.world/post/36502343/19614582
Citing yourself is not going to change the fact you don’t know what you’re talking about.
that’s my actual argument. you seem to be a more chill and open to discussion person on the various other times I’ve ran into you here, I’m not sure what’s making you mean this time.