The 30-year mortgage rate shot up the day after the Federal Reserve cut interest rates.

Hours after the Federal Reserve cut its benchmark interest rate on Wednesday by 25 basis points, mortgage rates ticked up 9 basis points.

The Fed announced Wednesday that it would trim its key policy rate by a quarter of a percentage point, bringing it to the range of 4% to 4.25%. Around the time of the announcement, Mortgage News Daily, a website that posts daily updates on rates, crashed - possibly the result of people flocking to the site to see how mortgage rates reacted. The company told MarketWatch it was looking into why the site was down that afternoon.

Mortgage News Daily later reported that the 30-year rate went up by 9 basis points (0.09%) to 6.22% on Wednesday. On Thursday, it reported that the 30-year rate had gone up by 15 more basis points, to 6.37%.

In contrast, a report by Freddie Mac measuring weekly averages for the 30-year rate found that mortgage rates fell to the lowest level in 12 months on Thursday. That’s because Freddie Mac’s report gathered information prior to and after the Fed’s decision was announced. The weekly report doesn’t survey lenders, but is based on actual mortgage applications to lenders across the country that are sent to Freddie Mac.

Mortgage rates aren’t tied to the Fed’s interest-rate moves. Instead, they typically fall in advance of a Fed rate cut, as MarketWatch has reported, because bond investors are trying to anticipate where the central bank will go. Mortgage rates are priced off the 10-year Treasury note BX:TMUBMUSD10Y by adding a spread.

Hence, the 10-year Treasury yield is a better gauge of how mortgage rates will move - and the 10-year yield was trending higher Thursday.

Mortgage rates have decoupled from the Fed’s benchmark / targets, basically, because fiscal policy and the overall economic outlook are so bad that traditional monetary policy is no longer effective.

This is generally what economists would call ‘a bad sign’.

Myself, I would go so far as ‘a very bad sign.’

My condolences to anyone who confused their local new/used home salesperson with a qualified economist, if they told you, and you believed, something like 'Fed rate cuts will lower mortgage rates!"

    • Combine that with how its suddenly really popular to look up things like “help with paying mortgage” and the PE10 ratio being 40 for the 2nd time in the past 150 years (the only other time being in the leadup to the dotcom bubble pop)…

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      I would say ‘is currently collapsing’ indicator.

      You know, along with the uh, ‘oops, we overcounted job gains in the last year by about a million, teehee’… thing.

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        Gold has … fucking skyrocketed in the last 6 months.

        I am not giving investment advice, but uh… yeah, it may still have a way higher to go as things keep getting worse.

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          It has topped the all-time high set in 1980, even adjusted for inflation. While it does seem high, when understand what is happening and what is likely to happen, it’s pretty clear that there is a lot more room to run.

          The current bull market in gold has been largely driven by central bank purchases, not retail investors piling into ETFs. For the first time since 1996, central banks now own more gold than U.S. treasuries. Why? A variety of reasons, one of which is the fact that the U.S. is no longer seen as a reliable, stable force on the world stage, and the use of the dollar and the U.S. stranglehold on its SWIFT banking system gives the U.S. a tremendous amount of power to bring disfavored persons and nations to their knees financially. U.S. sanctions can essentially de-bank anyone by blackballing them from financial transactions, effectively causing their accumulated wealth to evaporate. That’s great if you want to bring pressure to bear on rogue states like Russia, but other nations are now waking up to see that like tariffs, this power can be abused on the whim of an unstable dictator, and accordingly we are watching the erosion of the dollar as the world’s reserve currency in real time.

          In addition, the U.S. is no longer fiscally responsible in any way, shape or form. Apart from a brief period during the Clinton administration, the U.S. has run budget deficits my entire life. Many have said “Reagan proved that budget deficits don’t matter,” but that is not entirely true. What is true is that the U.S. can safely run a 2% budget deficit indefinitely, so long as its economy grows by 3% and the interest rate on the debt is manageable. The national debt grows, but the ability to service the debt grows more, and insolvency will never be a concern.

          However, a “manageable” budget deficit is no longer the case. The “Big Beautiful Bill” puts the budget deficit in the 6% ballpark. Worse, tariffs are taxes that kill trade and shrink the economy. In addition, shrinking the population by deporting a significant portion of the work force also shrinks the economy, as the dollars those people once earned and spent will no longer contribute. In addition, both tariffs and deportations drive prices higher, as imported goods and labor become more expensive, causing inflation, and inflation causes lenders to demand higher interest rates to compensate for the additional risk.

          So what we have now is an unsustainable budget deficit, a shrinking economy that reduces the ability to service the national debt, and the potential for rapidly rising interest rates that will make debt service much more costly, effectively teeing up what Ray Dalio calls a “Big Debt Crisis”. The 2008 financial crisis was a debt crisis, but it was on a much smaller scale than what is being set up now. A host of geopolitical forces and domestic forces coming to a head in a way that is causing great upheaval, and will get exponentially worse before things improve. The closest analog we have is the Great Depression and WWII, but I fear that this one will be even worse.

          So what does this mean for gold? In 2017 I noted that gold had likely bottomed after the inflationary period following the 2008 financial crisis, and in 2019 I put a sizeable chunk of my net worth into a 2x leveraged gold ETF. In the June of 2024 I recognized that my worst concerns were likely to come true, and I added the rest of everything I had. I do not regret the move. I firmly believe that we are witnessing the end of the dollar as the world’s reserve currency, and indeed the end of the U.S. as the dominant power in the world. This will drive gold to astronomical levels. In early 2025, people were laughing at me for saying that gold will end 2025 over $4k, and now there are quite a few others that now see it. I believe that gold will likely peak somewhere in the ballpark of $10K per ounce, and perhaps higher. Moreover, it’s going to happen a lot more quickly than you might expect. Remember, Jerome Powell’s term as fed chair is up in 2026, and you can guarantee that Trump will put in a lackey. With a simping Congress and Supreme Court, Trump will puppet the fed into incredibly stupid maneuvers, destroying U.S. credibility and the dollar, causing great economic hardship. Gold is the go-to asset for such a situation.

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            I would pin this comment if I could.

            Excellent level of detail.

            You’ve spelled out a whole lot of shit I’ve read / been aware of as well.

            I too think the dollar is dying, rather rapidly right now… and uh yeah, its not exactly easy for the average person to try their own hand at FOREX or foreign stock / bond investments… and 99% of the crypto space is 100% fradulent bullshit and insider trading you don’t know about yet, and the other 1% is extraordinarily volatile.