Somewhat related, but I have the worst time trying to convert numbers in my head from long scale in Japan (used to be used in the UK as well) to how it’s used in the current English speaking world. So basically they put four zeros per comma as opposed to three, and the names of the numbers reflect that. 1, 10, 100, 1000, and 10000 are all unique number names, but after that comes 10 ten thousands, 100 ten thousands, and then 1000 ten thousands before a new number name at 1,0000,0000 (or 100,000,000).
It wouldn’t be so bad to just memorize that 100 thousand is “new number name” if that’s all it was, but numbers like that in daily life are pretty much used to talk about money (or somewhat less commonly populations). So once I get the actual number I have to divide by about 100 (or 150, depending on the strength of the yen vs dollar) to think about what it actually means in units I’m used to, like seeing an article saying a government project costs 1.2 billion yen doesn’t mean much until I think about it like 12 (or 8) million USD instead. So I can never really use big numbers in conversation without manually counting zeros in my head.
Yeah I’m sure it’s not as difficult as I’m making it out to be but it never seems to stick. It’s just as simple as 2 numbers: “million = 100 ten thousands” (hyaku-man) and “billion = 10 hundred millions” (juu-oku).
Let’s just say there a lot of frustrations I have with the language even after decades of studying.
Maybe think in numbers if you’re more inclined to think like that? 10 million is 7 zeroes, in base-3 means the you “buy” the 6 zero unit and you got one (10) left; In base-4 you “buy” the 4 zero unit and you get 3 (1000) left.
Somewhat related, but I have the worst time trying to convert numbers in my head from long scale in Japan (used to be used in the UK as well) to how it’s used in the current English speaking world. So basically they put four zeros per comma as opposed to three, and the names of the numbers reflect that. 1, 10, 100, 1000, and 10000 are all unique number names, but after that comes 10 ten thousands, 100 ten thousands, and then 1000 ten thousands before a new number name at 1,0000,0000 (or 100,000,000).
It wouldn’t be so bad to just memorize that 100 thousand is “new number name” if that’s all it was, but numbers like that in daily life are pretty much used to talk about money (or somewhat less commonly populations). So once I get the actual number I have to divide by about 100 (or 150, depending on the strength of the yen vs dollar) to think about what it actually means in units I’m used to, like seeing an article saying a government project costs 1.2 billion yen doesn’t mean much until I think about it like 12 (or 8) million USD instead. So I can never really use big numbers in conversation without manually counting zeros in my head.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scales
It helps to memorize million and billion both ways since those are what you’ll be using most, and are good signposts.
Yeah I’m sure it’s not as difficult as I’m making it out to be but it never seems to stick. It’s just as simple as 2 numbers: “million = 100 ten thousands” (hyaku-man) and “billion = 10 hundred millions” (juu-oku).
Let’s just say there a lot of frustrations I have with the language even after decades of studying.
Maybe think in numbers if you’re more inclined to think like that? 10 million is 7 zeroes, in base-3 means the you “buy” the 6 zero unit and you got one (10) left; In base-4 you “buy” the 4 zero unit and you get 3 (1000) left.