if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance; thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance
I hope one day you come to realize this is as stupid of a take as saying, “violence is bad!” towards someone bloodied and bruised who just defended themselves from an attack.
At a certain point, someone deserves to be punched in the face. At a certain point, someone deserves to be treated less than a cordial human being.
Ironically, I still agree with, “we need to remember these are human beings”. Yes, yes we do. Because we need to ALWAYS remember the sheer depravity other human beings are capable of. That does NOT mean they deserve respect or even life.
Allowing terrible, despicable people to continue being terrible, despicable people is EXACTLY how we got here. Yes, the paradox of tolerance is a difficult chestnut to crack, as it should never simply be, “I hate who they are”. Though when someone espouses the very hate you fear and wants to bring that in to the world, it should be obvious…
Just like violence should not be condoned, self defence cannot be condemned, either. What you ask for is condemning self defense because it is not pretty. In times like this, you NEED to understand the emotional equivalence of self defense. Just because someone is willing to throw a punch in direct response, DOES NOT make them equivalent to the people willing to throw the first punch at someone doing nothing wrong.
Nazis and kkk and other scum are attacking the very humanity you want to defend. Yet you want everyone to continue to allow these attacks. You are FAILING the paradox of tolerance.
I’m speaking to the response to people celebrating the victim happening to be a terrible person, not to drunk driving… Please pay better attention to what the person I’m responding to actually said.
No, you’re just trying to shame people celebarating bad people no longer being bad people. Congratulations on utterly failing to understand what I said at all.
You are failing to understand the ugly reality of the paradox of tolerance. It is a paradox NOT for where it starts, but for where it ends. If you cannot even celebrate demonstrably horrible ideologies taking losses, then again, you are FAILING the paradox of tolerance.
You need to work on your reading comprehension. I have said absolutely nothing about whether or not to celebrate the death of a nazi, neither does the paradox of tolerance.
This entire conversation is on a post about the death of a nazi. “the horrible ideology took a loss” sure sounds like “the horrible ideology” of nazism “took a loss” of the death of one of their own.
To go back to the point I was making in that comment, where did I say anything about celebration?
YOU didn’t say celebrate. I said you’re shaming others for celebrating. Again, work on your own reading comprehension before you attempt to take the high road…
Purely wrong. Jail is often times a worse punishment than death, yet all you fucking fools defending nazis and kkk would absolutely agree some people deserve to go to jail. What are those criteria? Are they also bad? Why do you want horrible people being allowed to go around continuing to be horrible? Because that’s EXACTLY how we got here.
Until they are rehabilitated though, I will treat them as maggots. Being human does not automatically grant you untouchability for your actions. It doesn’t absolve you of your sins. It does not mean anyone around you must tolerate your continued existence.
No, I can’t blame anyone for visiting harm on Nazis. But that is a temporary solution. If we are to nullify supremacist ideologies, we must eacape survival of the fittest world views. Any ideology that requires violence will be surpassed by the next strongest, including the ideology that kills Nazis and white supremacists.
The ability to strip away the title of “human being” is exactly what they are arguing for. You just have different criteria.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
The world would be better off if everyone with racist views disappeared today. Let’s not defend those who would not hesitate to oppress us.
I hope one day you come to realize this is as stupid of a take as saying, “violence is bad!” towards someone bloodied and bruised who just defended themselves from an attack.
At a certain point, someone deserves to be punched in the face. At a certain point, someone deserves to be treated less than a cordial human being.
Ironically, I still agree with, “we need to remember these are human beings”. Yes, yes we do. Because we need to ALWAYS remember the sheer depravity other human beings are capable of. That does NOT mean they deserve respect or even life.
Allowing terrible, despicable people to continue being terrible, despicable people is EXACTLY how we got here. Yes, the paradox of tolerance is a difficult chestnut to crack, as it should never simply be, “I hate who they are”. Though when someone espouses the very hate you fear and wants to bring that in to the world, it should be obvious…
Just like violence should not be condoned, self defence cannot be condemned, either. What you ask for is condemning self defense because it is not pretty. In times like this, you NEED to understand the emotional equivalence of self defense. Just because someone is willing to throw a punch in direct response, DOES NOT make them equivalent to the people willing to throw the first punch at someone doing nothing wrong.
Nazis and kkk and other scum are attacking the very humanity you want to defend. Yet you want everyone to continue to allow these attacks. You are FAILING the paradox of tolerance.
Self defense is different than drunkenly flattening a pedestrian lmao
What if that pedestrian was Donald Trump?
Drunk driving, like, as a rule, is really, really bad. It’s incredibly very awful. … But I’m still gonna pop the shampaign.
I’m speaking to the response to people celebrating the victim happening to be a terrible person, not to drunk driving… Please pay better attention to what the person I’m responding to actually said.
Jumping back here to say that
Is the only thing I’m saying
Again, just because they are also humna beings does NOT mean they deserve respect or even life.
You’re arguing against things I did not say nor imply. I have made no argument here against self defense nor for civility.
I am abiding the paradox of tolerance by not tolerating dehumanizing rhetoric. Because I believe that rhetoric enables fascism.
No, you’re just trying to shame people celebarating bad people no longer being bad people. Congratulations on utterly failing to understand what I said at all.
You are failing to understand the ugly reality of the paradox of tolerance. It is a paradox NOT for where it starts, but for where it ends. If you cannot even celebrate demonstrably horrible ideologies taking losses, then again, you are FAILING the paradox of tolerance.
You need to work on your reading comprehension. I have said absolutely nothing about whether or not to celebrate the death of a nazi, neither does the paradox of tolerance.
Where did I say celebrate death? I said the horrible ideology took a loss. and you claim I’m the one that needs to work on reading comprehension…
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This entire conversation is on a post about the death of a nazi. “the horrible ideology took a loss” sure sounds like “the horrible ideology” of nazism “took a loss” of the death of one of their own.
To go back to the point I was making in that comment, where did I say anything about celebration?
YOU didn’t say celebrate. I said you’re shaming others for celebrating. Again, work on your own reading comprehension before you attempt to take the high road…
Except I’m not. My scope has been very limited to the dehumanization aspect. But otherwise I’m done with you arguing in bad faith
What those criteria are matters
And they’re all bad.
Purely wrong. Jail is often times a worse punishment than death, yet all you fucking fools defending nazis and kkk would absolutely agree some people deserve to go to jail. What are those criteria? Are they also bad? Why do you want horrible people being allowed to go around continuing to be horrible? Because that’s EXACTLY how we got here.
You are right. If we exclude any population from rehabilitation, we exclude ourselves.
Until they are rehabilitated though, I will treat them as maggots. Being human does not automatically grant you untouchability for your actions. It doesn’t absolve you of your sins. It does not mean anyone around you must tolerate your continued existence.
No, I can’t blame anyone for visiting harm on Nazis. But that is a temporary solution. If we are to nullify supremacist ideologies, we must eacape survival of the fittest world views. Any ideology that requires violence will be surpassed by the next strongest, including the ideology that kills Nazis and white supremacists.