• Limonene@lemmy.world
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    10 hours ago

    So what term then? Political Prisoner? Arbitrarily Detained Prisoner? Torture Subject?

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      10 hours ago

      Detained suspect, Detained for National Security or equivalent is probably what goes on the paperwork. If they’re held longer than reasonable repatriation takes, they would then become prisoners of some type.

      Informally, prisoner is probably used the most, in spite of whatever is actually correct.

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          6 hours ago

          Damn Lemmy be stupid prickly looking for fascists to hate under every bush and purity tests as far as the eye can see. Y’all are silly.

          I was talking about the likely terminology the Israeli gov would use in reference to Greta and such.

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      10 hours ago

      Genuine question, how did you come up with any of these? Do you just throw any random label without taking into account what they mean?

      To be imprisoned means to be kept in confinement as a punishment. They’re not prisoners by the definition of the word nor are they being tortured (like where did you even get this from?). If we were to label their current status accurately then they’re arrestees in custody of Israel.

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        10 hours ago

        Starvation is a form of torture, and there are many reports alleging other forms of torture.

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            9 hours ago

            Palestinians in Israeli custody.

            https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/

            According to Israeli human rights organization HaMoked between 1 October and 1 November, the total number of Palestinians held in administrative detention, without charge or trial, rose from 1,319 to 2,070.

            Testimony from released detainees and human rights lawyers, as well as video footage and images illustrate some of the forms of torture and other ill-treatment prisoners have been subjected to by Israeli forces over the past four weeks. These include severe beatings and humiliation of detainees, including by forcing them to keep their heads down, to kneel on the floor during inmate count, and to sing Israeli songs.

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              8 hours ago

              You understand we’re talking about this crew, right? You understand you posting this has zero relevance to the claim you made or the topic at hand, right?

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                6 hours ago

                Sorry if I gave you the impression I was talking about the crew, but after you mentioned Hamas’s captives in general, my response was referring to Israeli captives in general.

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                  4 hours ago

                  I don’t have disagreements with the point you’re making. I was just confused why the topic switched from the crew being detained to Palestinians being unfairly imprisoned. They’re not really the same thing.

                  Regardless though, apparently Israel has routed the boat to Ashdod and is detaining the activists in a nearby facility until they get deported to their respective countries. So I guess this conversation doesn’t mean much since debating whether or not they’re hostages isn’t applicable anymore.