Not OP, but tire dust is a real problem. It’s one of those things we haven’t studied until very recently. It’s just gone under the radar because it’s easy to point at tailpipe emissions.
Now are EVs worse? If we compare the same class of vehicle, EVs are going to be about 20% heavier, so yes, they’re going to create more tire dust. Is that worse than the tailpipe emissions from a gas vehicle? Probably not. But it’s deceptive to not include tire dust when comparing emissions between the two vehicle types.
I very much agree that tyre dust is a problem, and that weight is a large issue.
However, these kinds of caveats are routinely used to downplay the level of harm reduction that transitioning ICE cars to EVs would bring. Note how right-wing media basically uses this technique - mostly with the emissions associated with making EV batteries - to justify the continued use of ICE cars.
The antidote is to require numbers for this type of claim.
Fwiw, I don’t own any kind of car, I bike and take transit everywhere, and I’m broadly against cars on account of their outsized negative impact on society. I still believe EVs represent a necessary amount of harm reduction.
I’ve just about had it with arguing against these kinds of right-wing talking points.
No amount of what-about-ism will ever outweigh the environmental impact that the distribution of fuel alone is creating. About 40% of fossil fuels are used to transport … fossil fuels.
That happens before you even need to consider how efficiently your own car is produced or how much tire dust it generates.
Anyway, arguing against the talking points is fruitless regardless of what numbers say. They simply move the goal post whenever they’ve encountered enough people who don’t eat their shit at face value.
They will defend their gasoline car because that’s the decision they already made. However they usually change their mind when they are actually in the market for a new car for themselves, because that’s also an easy decision.
It takes approximately one barrel of crude oil to manufacture one passenger vehicle tire, so please don’t try to push the line of shit that EVs don’t use oil, they most certainly do.
So four barrels every few years, versus a barrel every week or two for gas cars (one barrel nets around 20 gallons of gas) (and still 4 barrels every few years for tires anyway.)
This comment is not useful unless backed up with data on how much relative emissions this would contribute.
Unless provided, please refrain
Not OP, but tire dust is a real problem. It’s one of those things we haven’t studied until very recently. It’s just gone under the radar because it’s easy to point at tailpipe emissions.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/tire-dust-makes-up-the-majority-of-ocean-microplastics-study-finds
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lauriewinkless/2024/12/18/tires-shed-millions-of-tonnes-of-microplastics-into-the-environment/
Now are EVs worse? If we compare the same class of vehicle, EVs are going to be about 20% heavier, so yes, they’re going to create more tire dust. Is that worse than the tailpipe emissions from a gas vehicle? Probably not. But it’s deceptive to not include tire dust when comparing emissions between the two vehicle types.
I very much agree that tyre dust is a problem, and that weight is a large issue.
However, these kinds of caveats are routinely used to downplay the level of harm reduction that transitioning ICE cars to EVs would bring. Note how right-wing media basically uses this technique - mostly with the emissions associated with making EV batteries - to justify the continued use of ICE cars.
The antidote is to require numbers for this type of claim.
Fwiw, I don’t own any kind of car, I bike and take transit everywhere, and I’m broadly against cars on account of their outsized negative impact on society. I still believe EVs represent a necessary amount of harm reduction.
I’ve just about had it with arguing against these kinds of right-wing talking points.
No amount of what-about-ism will ever outweigh the environmental impact that the distribution of fuel alone is creating. About 40% of fossil fuels are used to transport … fossil fuels.
That happens before you even need to consider how efficiently your own car is produced or how much tire dust it generates.
https://medium.com/enrique-dans/fossil-fuels-dirty-to-use-dirty-to-transport-352ad18f440c
Anyway, arguing against the talking points is fruitless regardless of what numbers say. They simply move the goal post whenever they’ve encountered enough people who don’t eat their shit at face value.
They will defend their gasoline car because that’s the decision they already made. However they usually change their mind when they are actually in the market for a new car for themselves, because that’s also an easy decision.
It takes approximately one barrel of crude oil to manufacture one passenger vehicle tire, so please don’t try to push the line of shit that EVs don’t use oil, they most certainly do.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=4GACM-IZsZ4
So four barrels every few years, versus a barrel every week or two for gas cars (one barrel nets around 20 gallons of gas) (and still 4 barrels every few years for tires anyway.)