The other side just pushed the rope, it doesn’t necessarily put the other side at any more of an advantage than just letting go, but it absolutely puts you at a disadvantage because well, you just can’t be bothered to pull that rope as well as signalling you’re not willing to play the game. Rejecting progressives was pushing the rope, Liz fucking Cheney and all the Republican pandering was pushing the rope. The last minute drop out was pushing the rope.
I’m not giving these shitters another vote until they run serious progressive politicians and policies. We are at rock bottom, and I’ll be damned if I enable this shit again.
Use the intervening years to vote in local politics, primaries, whatever else you have. Take action, don’t just wait for the next presidential election to make a vacuous point of non-participation. Boycotting votes does no good, and in a top-heavy system, handing over control of the top to the still objectively worse side is too much of a gamble, but building progressive support from the ground up is not just safer, it may also make the bend-overs worry about their own dominance enough to start at least holding the rope and make life a little harder for the other side.
Also, support whatever measures you find to abolish FPTP. It’s the reason the whole thing is a tug of war in the first place. Just about any alternative is better.
Over 90 million eligible voters didn’t vote for either Trump or Harris in 2024. If Democrats had managed to get just a few percent of those people to vote for them in key swing districts, she would have won. I think they could have done that without having to “act like Republicans.”
exactly. although I think the fault may more fall on the folks that want trump in office. I think they are called republicans. The way I hear it they are responsible for 100% of republican victories and indeed the republicans would not even exist except due to the voting habits of people who vote for them.
It’s really a chicken and egg question. Republicans vote for Republican leaders. Why? Well, largely because they are uninformed about how bad those leaders are for everyone. Why are they uninformed? Republican leaders have savagely gutted both the media and education system, ensuring the average American remains uninformed. Therefore uninformed Americans vote Republican against their own interest because the Republicans are right there ready with the catcher’s mitt to receive the results of their investment - that being uneducated, underinformed Americans who are easily propagandized and who lack the tools or knowledge to read between the lines. Couple this with regular statements that “the enemy” will try to lie to you, and you have all these people like clay in your hands. They’ll believe anything you tell them on the news, and disbelieve anything anyone else says merely on the grounds of “Fox News didn’t tell me that was true”. And that right there is your core Republican voting bloc. That’s 78 year old Auntie Mabel who doesn’t really know what all is going on but the TV tells her that Mr Trump will make the economy better. That’s also Jimbob Truknuttz who shoots 200 rounds of 22LR at a photo of Joe Biden every day because his TV and his friends have taught him that liberals are a threat to his way of life. Brad Dudeguy, 28 year old cis white male, thinks the gays and the transes are freaks because the news his parents watch present them as sexual terrorists every single night. Rico Chavez was born in Texas after his parents immigrated from Mexico, and they don’t have big opinions about politics, but everyone in his neighborhood has Trump signs up so he and his parents go with the crowd.
This is an entire class of people built and bred for the purpose of voting republican. They get their hooks in from literal birth, controlling not only the schooling and local media access of the child but also the availability, or rather lack thereof, of contraceptives for the parents, all but ensuring more children - ergo more republican voters down the line. It is a propaganda pipeline that would be actually impressive if not for its abject evil. If they put this amount of effort into actually educating their citizens properly we could be decades ahead of where we are currently. But instead they maintain this repressive environment because it all but guarantees indoctrination of future voters. Those who don’t fit in will frequently move away to a different more like-minded area, or (perhaps more frequently, in some areas) will be killed by the locals, either police or gangs (biker or otherwise) or just regular old domestic violence - either way, dangerously open minded folks will be weeded out of the population naturally. What remains is a self reinforcing bubble of whatever you can feed these folks on the trusted evening “news”. This picture that I’ve painted encompasses wide swaths of rural America, mostly across the south and Midwest but definitely not limited to there.
I think that is it though and the rest can let them win or not. For my part its unacceptable for them to win but im obviously in the minority here and 8 years ago and 24 years ago and 20 years ago.
It’s really a chicken and egg question. Republicans vote for Republican leaders. Why? Well, largely because they are uninformed about how bad those leaders are for everyone. Why are they uninformed? Republican leaders have savagely gutted both the media and education system, ensuring the average American remains uninformed. Therefore uninformed Americans vote Republican against their own interest because the Republicans are right there ready with the catcher’s mitt to receive the results of their investment - that being uneducated, underinformed Americans who are easily propagandized and who lack the tools or knowledge to read between the lines.
Couple this with regular statements that “the enemy” will try to lie to you, and you have all these people like clay in your hands. They’ll believe anything you tell them on the news, and disbelieve anything anyone else says merely on the grounds of “Fox News didn’t tell me that was true”. And that right there is your core Republican voting bloc. That’s 78 year old Auntie Mabel who doesn’t really know what all is going on but the TV tells her that Mr Trump will make the economy better. That’s also Jimbob Truknuttz who shoots 200 rounds of 22LR at a photo of Joe Biden every day because his TV and his friends have taught him that liberals are a threat to his way of life. Brad Dudeguy, 28 year old cis white male, thinks the gays and the transes are freaks because the news his parents watch present them as sexual terrorists every single night. Rico Chavez was born in Texas after his parents immigrated from Mexico, and they don’t have big opinions about politics, but everyone in his neighborhood has Trump signs up so he and his parents go with the crowd.
This is an entire class of people built and bred for the purpose of voting republican. They get their hooks in from literal birth, controlling not only the schooling and local media access of the child but also the availability, or rather lack thereof, of contraceptives for the parents, all but ensuring more children - ergo more republican voters down the line. It is a propaganda pipeline that would be actually impressive if not for its abject evil. If they put this amount of effort into actually educating their citizens properly we could be decades ahead of where we are currently.
But instead they maintain this repressive environment because it all but guarantees indoctrination of future voters. Those who don’t fit in will frequently move away to a different more like-minded area, or (perhaps more frequently, in some areas) will be killed by the locals, either police or gangs (biker or otherwise) or just regular old domestic violence - either way, dangerously open minded folks will be weeded out of the population naturally. What remains is a self reinforcing bubble of whatever you can feed these folks on the trusted evening “news”. This picture that I’ve painted encompasses wide swaths of rural America, mostly across the south and Midwest but definitely not limited to there.
I added a couple more paragraphs to your comment so it’s easier to read. Peace.
although I think the fault may more fall on the folks that want trump in office.
Sure, but there isn’t anything the Democrats can do about those people, other than, I suppose, to try and change their mind somehow, or, I guess to try and get Trump to run as a Democrat. But I don’t think that’s possible, or desirable, do you?
So what? It’s not like there is much of anything to be done about it. On the other hand, Democratic primary voters (in the instances where the establishment allows us to have primaries) could get their heads out of their asses and actually nominate somebody who isn’t a damn corporate bot.
This has nothing to do with the voters and everything to do with the party.
The party shanked Bernie every time he tried. He would have won but the party rigged it against him.
Democrats are as shitty to their own base as republicans are to the democratic base. Leftists in this country do not have a party. All we have is damage mitigation.
It’s a “chicken or the egg” question. We have the Democrats we have because of the voters, and we have the voters we have because of the Democrats.
It’s a responsibility of the citizenship to be aware enough to make informed decisions and not be led by the nose. Americans in general are pathetically ignorant and disengaged.
Watch some random street interviews with average voters and it becomes crystal clear that fascism is what we collectively deserve.
Given the foreign influences to weaken the U.S., media control of the news by corporations, gerrymandering and fox media disinformation, it’s not surprising. Biden could have cured cancer, eliminated world hunger and given free eggs to everyone and he would have still lost.
how can you tell. I voted for them due to the fact that they don’t act like republicans except in terms of people who brush things in the broadest strokes.
So you don’t want them to punish politicians who break the law? 🤔 Because Republicans don’t mind making politicians in the other side pay for their mistakes, but Democrats always let them have a free pass in the name of “healing 🥰”
not really. democrats have never been allowed to extend their gains past one administration and they have to generally spend a term or so just righting the ship. Basically we give up before we even get started.
How you expect this would end up if Democrats would do January 6th?
VP has no such power, what they were trying to do in 2021 was to make Pence do it and hope it would be unchallenged. And if someone challenged it hoping that conservative court would side with Republicans like they did in 2001.
Firehosing wet gristle into the storm drains after multiple entrenched units opened fully automatic fire at head level into the crowd.
Followed by oooh, let’s call it 150 years of denying it ever happened and using the phrases “Bloody Tuesday” “Inauguration elimination” or “January 6th. 2025” in any online medium results in an annual audit for your entire extended family and local police having a picture of you and a set of darts delivered.
Another moral victory for Democrats. If only such victories mattered.
Imagine a tug of rope where only one side is pulling.
The other side just pushed the rope, it doesn’t necessarily put the other side at any more of an advantage than just letting go, but it absolutely puts you at a disadvantage because well, you just can’t be bothered to pull that rope as well as signalling you’re not willing to play the game. Rejecting progressives was pushing the rope, Liz fucking Cheney and all the Republican pandering was pushing the rope. The last minute drop out was pushing the rope.
I’m not giving these shitters another vote until they run serious progressive politicians and policies. We are at rock bottom, and I’ll be damned if I enable this shit again.
Use the intervening years to vote in local politics, primaries, whatever else you have. Take action, don’t just wait for the next presidential election to make a vacuous point of non-participation. Boycotting votes does no good, and in a top-heavy system, handing over control of the top to the still objectively worse side is too much of a gamble, but building progressive support from the ground up is not just safer, it may also make the bend-overs worry about their own dominance enough to start at least holding the rope and make life a little harder for the other side.
Also, support whatever measures you find to abolish FPTP. It’s the reason the whole thing is a tug of war in the first place. Just about any alternative is better.
This stuff annoys me so much. I would not vote for them if they acted like republicans.
Over 90 million eligible voters didn’t vote for either Trump or Harris in 2024. If Democrats had managed to get just a few percent of those people to vote for them in key swing districts, she would have won. I think they could have done that without having to “act like Republicans.”
When you poll people on the policies, progressive policy polls at over 80%
Hell, just supporting a gaza ceasefire would have gotten her Michigan.
exactly. although I think the fault may more fall on the folks that want trump in office. I think they are called republicans. The way I hear it they are responsible for 100% of republican victories and indeed the republicans would not even exist except due to the voting habits of people who vote for them.
It’s really a chicken and egg question. Republicans vote for Republican leaders. Why? Well, largely because they are uninformed about how bad those leaders are for everyone. Why are they uninformed? Republican leaders have savagely gutted both the media and education system, ensuring the average American remains uninformed. Therefore uninformed Americans vote Republican against their own interest because the Republicans are right there ready with the catcher’s mitt to receive the results of their investment - that being uneducated, underinformed Americans who are easily propagandized and who lack the tools or knowledge to read between the lines. Couple this with regular statements that “the enemy” will try to lie to you, and you have all these people like clay in your hands. They’ll believe anything you tell them on the news, and disbelieve anything anyone else says merely on the grounds of “Fox News didn’t tell me that was true”. And that right there is your core Republican voting bloc. That’s 78 year old Auntie Mabel who doesn’t really know what all is going on but the TV tells her that Mr Trump will make the economy better. That’s also Jimbob Truknuttz who shoots 200 rounds of 22LR at a photo of Joe Biden every day because his TV and his friends have taught him that liberals are a threat to his way of life. Brad Dudeguy, 28 year old cis white male, thinks the gays and the transes are freaks because the news his parents watch present them as sexual terrorists every single night. Rico Chavez was born in Texas after his parents immigrated from Mexico, and they don’t have big opinions about politics, but everyone in his neighborhood has Trump signs up so he and his parents go with the crowd.
This is an entire class of people built and bred for the purpose of voting republican. They get their hooks in from literal birth, controlling not only the schooling and local media access of the child but also the availability, or rather lack thereof, of contraceptives for the parents, all but ensuring more children - ergo more republican voters down the line. It is a propaganda pipeline that would be actually impressive if not for its abject evil. If they put this amount of effort into actually educating their citizens properly we could be decades ahead of where we are currently. But instead they maintain this repressive environment because it all but guarantees indoctrination of future voters. Those who don’t fit in will frequently move away to a different more like-minded area, or (perhaps more frequently, in some areas) will be killed by the locals, either police or gangs (biker or otherwise) or just regular old domestic violence - either way, dangerously open minded folks will be weeded out of the population naturally. What remains is a self reinforcing bubble of whatever you can feed these folks on the trusted evening “news”. This picture that I’ve painted encompasses wide swaths of rural America, mostly across the south and Midwest but definitely not limited to there.
It’s not just education. There is also a large portion of the population who prefers to live under authoritarians.
Read the book the authoritarians by bob altemeyer. It’s free online. It explains these people far better than I can.
I think that is it though and the rest can let them win or not. For my part its unacceptable for them to win but im obviously in the minority here and 8 years ago and 24 years ago and 20 years ago.
I added a couple more paragraphs to your comment so it’s easier to read. Peace.
Sure, but there isn’t anything the Democrats can do about those people, other than, I suppose, to try and change their mind somehow, or, I guess to try and get Trump to run as a Democrat. But I don’t think that’s possible, or desirable, do you?
of course not. I would not want him to run as a dem any more than I want dems to mimic his stupid crap.
So what? It’s not like there is much of anything to be done about it. On the other hand, Democratic primary voters (in the instances where the establishment allows us to have primaries) could get their heads out of their asses and actually nominate somebody who isn’t a damn corporate bot.
This has nothing to do with the voters and everything to do with the party.
The party shanked Bernie every time he tried. He would have won but the party rigged it against him.
Democrats are as shitty to their own base as republicans are to the democratic base. Leftists in this country do not have a party. All we have is damage mitigation.
It’s a “chicken or the egg” question. We have the Democrats we have because of the voters, and we have the voters we have because of the Democrats.
It’s a responsibility of the citizenship to be aware enough to make informed decisions and not be led by the nose. Americans in general are pathetically ignorant and disengaged.
Watch some random street interviews with average voters and it becomes crystal clear that fascism is what we collectively deserve.
agreed there. my states senators are not to bad but the one came out of the military and she is to brainwashed with that shit.
Given the foreign influences to weaken the U.S., media control of the news by corporations, gerrymandering and fox media disinformation, it’s not surprising. Biden could have cured cancer, eliminated world hunger and given free eggs to everyone and he would have still lost.
I’m torn between “big poultry”, “commie” and vegan jokes here.
“He’s just trying to get us all addicted to eggs”
“There’s no such thing as free eggs, bloody commies”
“Eggs? So much for the libs and their veganism”
About 10 million people agree with you judging by the election results.
how can you tell. I voted for them due to the fact that they don’t act like republicans except in terms of people who brush things in the broadest strokes.
So you don’t want them to punish politicians who break the law? 🤔 Because Republicans don’t mind making politicians in the other side pay for their mistakes, but Democrats always let them have a free pass in the name of “healing 🥰”
are speaking because of the actions of one judge?
in a vacuum this isnt the wrong thing to do, but in context this is the capstone of a series of “we’ve tried nothing and we’re out of ideas”.
not really. democrats have never been allowed to extend their gains past one administration and they have to generally spend a term or so just righting the ship. Basically we give up before we even get started.
The British lost in the Revolutionary War partly due to their rigidity towards tradition and formality.
To your point, we should not be voting for candidates from either major party.
How you expect this would end up if Democrats would do January 6th?
VP has no such power, what they were trying to do in 2021 was to make Pence do it and hope it would be unchallenged. And if someone challenged it hoping that conservative court would side with Republicans like they did in 2001.
Firehosing wet gristle into the storm drains after multiple entrenched units opened fully automatic fire at head level into the crowd.
Followed by oooh, let’s call it 150 years of denying it ever happened and using the phrases “Bloody Tuesday” “Inauguration elimination” or “January 6th. 2025” in any online medium results in an annual audit for your entire extended family and local police having a picture of you and a set of darts delivered.
China people paste on the ground style?
Bold move
The big imaginary arbiter is going to drop down from the sky, any day now.