• Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    Denying them attention means that others don’t know that it’s wrong.

    There’s a reason why we tell people what’s right and what’s wrong.

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      5 months ago

      The real wrong that people need to be educated on is that respect for the human rights of others is not a “political opinion”.

      Anyone who doesn’t know that urinating on others’ property (without their consent) is wrong has something so severely broken in them that public shaming can’t fix it.

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        5 months ago

        And yet many, many people don’t seem to understand that being bigoted against queer people is wrong.

        How do you propose we show that to people without pointing out the wrong that’s being done?

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          Let’s make sure everyone knows the stories of queer heroes, like Alan Turing, a titan of computer science, information theory, and cryptography whose efforts helped save the world at one of its darkest hours.

          …who was then so severely persecuted because he was gay that he wound up in an early grave.

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            How do you do that properly without talking about the ways in which he was persecuted, the thing you think should not be given attention to?

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              I absolutely think everyone should know that Turing was betrayed by scoundrels which led to his arrest for the crime of being himself (it was illegal to be gay at that time in the UK). After that he couldn’t get a job, despite being the best ever in the world at his job. After that, he fell into hopelessness and took his own life.

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                That was far from the only way Turing was persecuted.

                It sounds like you need to learn more about Turing. Either that or you think that was the only type of persecution that mattered. I hope the former.

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                  I didn’t mean to imply that those were the only acts of persecution committed against him.

                  And about the flag pisser: What he did was wrong. It was a hate crime. It is appropriate that he is punished for it. Peoples’ outrage about it is justified.

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                    What he did was wrong. It was a hate crime. It is appropriate that he is punished for it. Peoples’ outrage about it is justified.

                    Very few people here on Lemmy would disagree with you. The problem is that there are a lot of people in this world who would. And those are the people who need to be reached by explaining that yes, this is a hate crime and yes, you will get punished for it no matter how you feel about queer people.

                    Because honestly, you’ll never succeed in getting rid of all the hate. Just ask any person of color. But you sure as hell can let people know what happens if you fuck with someone who is gay or trans or black or Muslim or whatever because of who they are.